Minister of Mayhem - Geoff Collins...
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I believe that our secondary is too young, injured, and stupid
to cause any sort of mayhem. We should know a hell of a lot more next year - I expect Redmond to have "it," and Jones already has "it."
to cause any sort of mayhem. We should know a hell of a lot more next year - I expect Redmond to have "it," and Jones already has "it."
While I would like to see more mayhem and turnovers...
and also while I'm still pissed about the soft prevent that cost us the Auburn game there is no denying that the defense saved our *** at the end of both the BG and KY games.
and also while I'm still pissed about the soft prevent that cost us the Auburn game there is no denying that the defense saved our *** at the end of both the BG and KY games.
A ball bouncing off the recievers shoulder is what saved us at the end of the BG game, and a QB who couldn't hit the side of a barn saved us at the end of the Kentucky game.
I agree. You can only blitz as much as your secondary allows. I think Jiles has shown some flashes, that deep ball against KY he knocked down was a great play. No way we can blitz and leave our FS manned up. I have to say I love markets effort, and attitude. he just goes about business. Oh and the tackle that saved the KY game.
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I remember back towards the end of the Sherrill regime (I think) they called themselves the psycho defense. Everybody else called them a complete joke. I think before you start giving yourselves names you need to do something on the field to earn it. Right now our defense reminds of that scene in major league where Vaughn tells the batter that if he gets a piece of his fastball he gets to name it.
We've been very mediocre. Not horrible, but nothing special. And certainly no mayhem.
We're dead last in sacks, and near the bottom in TFL. Intestingly - Bama and Florida are right there with us (but I guess when you have the best defenses in the league there is no need to bring a lot of pressure).
Turnovers have been ok. But I don't rate a defense on turnovers. We probably set a school record last year and that was our worst defense in years.
We're about middle of the road in most categories. It will be interesting see how we finish the year with only one bad offense left on the schedule.
We're dead last in sacks, and near the bottom in TFL. Intestingly - Bama and Florida are right there with us (but I guess when you have the best defenses in the league there is no need to bring a lot of pressure).
Turnovers have been ok. But I don't rate a defense on turnovers. We probably set a school record last year and that was our worst defense in years.
We're about middle of the road in most categories. It will be interesting see how we finish the year with only one bad offense left on the schedule.
I've heard that we're basically running "Mullen's" defense. Was whispers of this from a few people back during Chris Wilson's second year, which I took it as sour grapes at the time.
No idea if there's any validity to that. Was certainly strange to have a guy allegedly with the same defensive philosophy as Diaz -- who Manny thought enough of to try to bring with him to Texas -- to suddenly go from blitz crazy to the most vanilla scheme I've ever seen in 2 years.
No idea if there's any validity to that. Was certainly strange to have a guy allegedly with the same defensive philosophy as Diaz -- who Manny thought enough of to try to bring with him to Texas -- to suddenly go from blitz crazy to the most vanilla scheme I've ever seen in 2 years.
Not only is Mullen handcuffing the offense, but the defense too? Geez.
Pretty sure this is a personnel issue. The secondary is young so they're going to have hiccups. The main problem to me is the main problem last year: No penetration from the D-line, especially the interior.
Pretty sure this is a personnel issue. The secondary is young so they're going to have hiccups. The main problem to me is the main problem last year: No penetration from the D-line, especially the interior.
Disagree here. Personnel usage is the gripe on this -- but penetration has been good. I think this is less obvious because our entire defense appears to be on a series rotation almost regardless of situation. So, we put Chris Jones, Preston Smith, Autry, and Quay out there together and we're raising hell for a series(yes, Quay is back and practicing this week). Put Adams and Eulls out there at the DT spots, and we aren't getting much.
While slightly better than last year -- our personnel usage on defense is still my single biggest gripe...
i've been disappointed in all things defensive this year. We don't blitz as much as I thought we would and when we do it's almost always just one of the LB's and their rarely come free. I don't see any designed stunts or anything on -and long plays to try and confuse the O-line. i've been disappointed with the individual play of almost everyone save Jones, preston and market. Which is weird b/c except for the last 2 min of the Okie State game we looked aggresive. LB's were flying around making plays, shooting gaps and making great open field tackles.
Now we are on our heels and playing soft.
And I disagree about the young secondary. The goal of an aggressive defense is also not to give the QB time to make the read and then try to force him to deliver a poorly thrown ball even if he does get it off and make the read to the single coverage. Yeah, good CB's help, but you can also help young corners by really pressing the QB. To me consistently asking a young secondary to cover the whole field with the QB feeling no pressue put more of a burden on them.
Now we are on our heels and playing soft.
And I disagree about the young secondary. The goal of an aggressive defense is also not to give the QB time to make the read and then try to force him to deliver a poorly thrown ball even if he does get it off and make the read to the single coverage. Yeah, good CB's help, but you can also help young corners by really pressing the QB. To me consistently asking a young secondary to cover the whole field with the QB feeling no pressue put more of a burden on them.
This is my line and I'm sticking with it
We have zero playmakers.
Name one player on defense who routinely makes standout plays. There isn't one. Nobody is extremely bad, everyone is just average. If you don't have any studs, there is no mayhem to be created.
We have zero playmakers.
Name one player on defense who routinely makes standout plays. There isn't one. Nobody is extremely bad, everyone is just average. If you don't have any studs, there is no mayhem to be created.
We were the Kamikaze Kanines at one point. Had to do with Kenyacke Jones' name (he's the one who started the dog pound rock ... good then, not so hot now). But as I recall, we were really good on D then.
Don't remember the psycho name.
Don't remember the psycho name.
It was love. As he gets back healthy and Redmond gets game reps, our secondary will get much better
Sadly I can't. I really tried to give every position a fair shake. The few players that stuck out were CJ before the UK game, D. Evans, and Love.
I've tried to find another team of mayhem. I thought that it was Clemson but I watched FSU rip right through that mayhem.
But there isn't any mayhem, however we define it, in Starkville at the moment. No TOs, no sacks, no juice. Game after game, we're playing not to lose.
you may be right. It was down in the field house endzone, and he knocked it away at the last second. It was a great play.
This says defense hasn`t generally been our problem
"Dan Mullen has never had a fourth quarter comeback in his MSU coaching career. Opponents are 22-0 against MSU when they have the lead going into the final quarter. MSU is 28-2 in Mullen's career in Starkville when the Bulldogs have a lead going into the fourth quarter. "
"Dan Mullen has never had a fourth quarter comeback in his MSU coaching career. Opponents are 22-0 against MSU when they have the lead going into the final quarter. MSU is 28-2 in Mullen's career in Starkville when the Bulldogs have a lead going into the fourth quarter. "
You threw spaghetti against the wall an hope it stuck. So, you recognized all this against Jackson State? Right. But you really showed a nice back-peddle after that Troy game.**
Please read this article about the overall vanity of blitzing.
The defense has been the only bright spot to the season. State went vanilla (base) against Kentucky to not tip what the defense had been working on the past three weeks. If the offense would have showed up in the 2nd half, the game wouldn't have been close. Plus, if State would play with 4 CBs and no safeties State might could blitz more. Fire Collins.**
I wouldn't be surprised if his boss, The Minister of Mediocrity, had a hand in the poor defense spurts as well. Especially the prevent D at the end of each half.
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geoff collins second game as a dc at state was oklahoma state, not jackson state...strike one. during the troy game, i said we did well and not much to complain about...something i caught an incredible amount of grief over in which i supported my concerns about geoff in a time not popular to do so....strike two. the defense is worse than it was last year, not better and this is a spot in our season that it will look its best...strike three.
defense has been the only bright spot to the season? are you 17ing serious or are you just retarded?
concerning total defense, we will be in the 50's AT BEST when the season ends, if not the 60's or worse. wilson was better (and he sucked ***) and we have hired a ****** replacement. i truly pity you regarding the fact that the lone bright spot (in your estimation) is that we have a mediocre defense. see how long we as state fans will tolerate a mediocre defense...didnt work out well for wilson, not gonna work out well for collins.
defense has been the only bright spot to the season? are you 17ing serious or are you just retarded?
concerning total defense, we will be in the 50's AT BEST when the season ends, if not the 60's or worse. wilson was better (and he sucked ***) and we have hired a ****** replacement. i truly pity you regarding the fact that the lone bright spot (in your estimation) is that we have a mediocre defense. see how long we as state fans will tolerate a mediocre defense...didnt work out well for wilson, not gonna work out well for collins.
in the "off the geoff collins train" thread, you stated that collins defined mayhem as "creating turnovers" and "swarming to the ball"....lulz. how would you access the job collins has done based your interpretation of what another individual, geoff collins, defines as mayhem?...said another way, since you believe geoff has defined mayhem as swarming to the ball and creating turnovers, how would you access his ability to produce those results?
you stuck your nose in there to tell us all that geoff doesn't define mayhem the way that everyone else on the planet does, so based on your assessment, how much mayhem are we creating through "ball swarming" and "creating turnovers", cause last i checked, teams like bowling green and kentucky were running through the teeth of our defense (with seasoned and experienced front 7...a supposed strength of our defense) like it was standing still or nonexistent. yeah, lots of mayhem going on there. what a 17ing joke.
you stuck your nose in there to tell us all that geoff doesn't define mayhem the way that everyone else on the planet does, so based on your assessment, how much mayhem are we creating through "ball swarming" and "creating turnovers", cause last i checked, teams like bowling green and kentucky were running through the teeth of our defense (with seasoned and experienced front 7...a supposed strength of our defense) like it was standing still or nonexistent. yeah, lots of mayhem going on there. what a 17ing joke.
directed at those that think all is well with the defense:
this year under collins, we are surrendering 4.7 YARDS PER RUSH...good for 85th in the nation
under wilson, we surrendered 4.2 yards per rush.......good for 64th in the nation
what? are yall going to tell me that losing boyd and cherrington account of that discrepancy?
guys, this season, our front 7 were more experienced than they were last season....in addition, there are nfl players (who now have experience that some did not have last year). we are considerably more experienced than we were this time last year....CONSIDERABLY MORE EXPERIENCED.
when will we stop making excuses for these type of disappointing numbers? some of you want to make excuses for the passing game (which didnt perform very well even with 2 nfl starting corners), but how can we seriously defend this? we are 17ing in 85th in yards per rush people! wake the 17 up. and now for the scary part, we arent even in the meet of the schedule vs running teams. we are going to be totally destroyed vs alabama, south carolina, texas a&m, arkansas, and ole miss. its going to get damn ugly......UGLY!!!!
this year under collins, we are surrendering 4.7 YARDS PER RUSH...good for 85th in the nation
under wilson, we surrendered 4.2 yards per rush.......good for 64th in the nation
what? are yall going to tell me that losing boyd and cherrington account of that discrepancy?
guys, this season, our front 7 were more experienced than they were last season....in addition, there are nfl players (who now have experience that some did not have last year). we are considerably more experienced than we were this time last year....CONSIDERABLY MORE EXPERIENCED.
when will we stop making excuses for these type of disappointing numbers? some of you want to make excuses for the passing game (which didnt perform very well even with 2 nfl starting corners), but how can we seriously defend this? we are 17ing in 85th in yards per rush people! wake the 17 up. and now for the scary part, we arent even in the meet of the schedule vs running teams. we are going to be totally destroyed vs alabama, south carolina, texas a&m, arkansas, and ole miss. its going to get damn ugly......UGLY!!!!