Mixed feelings still on the cruise missiles

WhiteTailEER

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The mistruths spread by trump haters like this is just sad. What is wrong with vetting syrian or any other refugee?

There is no mistruth ... we were already vetting refugees, so why the need for a ban? (that was ultimately shot down by the "so called judges" in court)
And you are going to tell me that Trump never campaigned on a "Muslim ban"? He may have even used that exact phrase in the original EO in a tweet before backtracking. And then one of his first EO's the failed refugee ban.

Where is the mistruth/lie?
 

Mntneer

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There is no mistruth ... we were already vetting refugees, so why the need for a ban? (that was ultimately shot down by the "so called judges" in court)
And you are going to tell me that Trump never campaigned on a "Muslim ban"? He may have even used that exact phrase in the original EO in a tweet before backtracking. And then one of his first EO's the failed refugee ban.

Where is the mistruth/lie?

It would have been a "Muslim ban" had it targets all the "Muslim" countries. It targeted countries where vetting procedures aren't as reliable and was based on a the previous administration's list.
 

atlkvb

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Where is the mistruth/lie?

It's not a ban. We've gone to an enhanced system of interrogation, background checking, Visa verification, and their intent for visiting before we just let them in with no questions asked.

Yes it's harder for them to get in, but that's a lot different than saying "no, you're not getting in".

If they're from nations sponsoring Terrorism, they might not get in at all. However there is no "ban" on Muslims entering this country. I have a neighbor from Indonesia who is Muslim and he got in just fine.
 

WhiteTailEER

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It would have been a "Muslim ban" had it targets all the "Muslim" countries. It targeted countries where vetting procedures aren't as reliable and was based on a the previous administration's list.

OK ... but did he or did he not ever say we needed a muslim ban?
My original post full of "mistruths" didn't mention specifics ... he did indeed campaign on a muslim ban ... and he did indeed issue an EO attempting to block refugees from Syria ... that was my point. We supposedly care so much about them that we have to attack, but not enough to accept them as refugees. If Trump had his way.
 

atlkvb

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you are going to tell me that Trump never campaigned on a "Muslim ban"?

If they're avowed Terrorists...like Isis threatened to infiltrate the Syrian refugees...then yes we will ban them. Trump did say that we need to ban any Terrorists if we discover them through our vetting process.
 
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atlkvb

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he did indeed campaign on a muslim ban ... and he did indeed issue an EO attempting to block refugees from Syria

No...it was a ban on Terrorists, and better ways to pick them out or vet them. He wasn't for opening up the refugee numbers from Syria like Hillary advocated, especially after Isis vowed to infiltrate them.

So he wanted those folks both limited in number and subjected to increased scrutiny to make sure they were legitimate refugees and not Isis sympathizers. Same with folks from other nations on the watch list first drawn up by Obama.
 

atlkvb

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Travel ban ... terrorists ... we have to stop it until we see what's going on
Except for Christians

C'mon

Yeah, let's keep them "banned". They're the only ones being slaughtered because of their Religion but of course they deserve it right?

How many Christians from the Middle East are threatening to cut off the heads of "non believers"?
 
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Mntneer

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OK ... but did he or did he not ever say we needed a muslim ban?
My original post full of "mistruths" didn't mention specifics ... he did indeed campaign on a muslim ban ... and he did indeed issue an EO attempting to block refugees from Syria ... that was my point. We supposedly care so much about them that we have to attack, but not enough to accept them as refugees. If Trump had his way.

People have to stop examining Trump's words the same way we do ordinary politicians. Trump speaks more often than not in generalizations that most people do, not in the specific wording that politicians do. Taking him too literally or seriously is the first mistake in understanding him.
 

atlkvb

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No they don't.

I agree.

You Leftists need to keep listening to him exactly the way you think you hear him, that way he has nothing to worry about of you all ever being able to figure him out.
 

dave

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There is no mistruth ... we were already vetting refugees, so why the need for a ban? (that was ultimately shot down by the "so called judges" in court)
And you are going to tell me that Trump never campaigned on a "Muslim ban"? He may have even used that exact phrase in the original EO in a tweet before backtracking. And then one of his first EO's the failed refugee ban.

Where is the mistruth/lie?
What muslim ban? You keep asking where the lie is and then repeating the lie.
 

dave

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OK ... but did he or did he not ever say we needed a muslim ban?
My original post full of "mistruths" didn't mention specifics ... he did indeed campaign on a muslim ban ... and he did indeed issue an EO attempting to block refugees from Syria ... that was my point. We supposedly care so much about them that we have to attack, but not enough to accept them as refugees. If Trump had his way.
We have accepted many Syrian refugees. Why keep spreading the lie?
 

moe

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It would have been a "Muslim ban" had it targets all the "Muslim" countries. It targeted countries where vetting procedures aren't as reliable and was based on a the previous administration's list.
(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration
 

atlkvb

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(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

That was his campaign rhetoric, but this is what he meant by it:

(from same link)
"Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad"

This says to me as a voter that if Muslims asking to come here don't respect our Laws, our way of Life, or are hostile to us because of their Religious beliefs...we will deny their admission.

But first we have to find out if they fit that above described criterion, especially if they come from nations that have been hostile to us.
 

Mntneer

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(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

 

bamaEER

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It's why he won.
He won because he's not Hillary. Still, words have purpose and meaning. And just because Biff has an alt. language doesn't mean the rest of us can't hold him accountable for what he says. And we will.
 

WhiteTailEER

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We have accepted many Syrian refugees. Why keep spreading the lie?

What lie?

Did he, or did he not, attempt to halt the acceptance of refugees from Syria? My post wasn't about what he was able to do, but the general attitude.

It's a real simple question, did he attempt it or did he not?
 

WhiteTailEER

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What muslim ban? You keep asking where the lie is and then repeating the lie.

Where did I say that we have a muslim ban?

I said that he talked about it, and that he tried to implement it, specifically with Syria with his EO.

You keep talking about this lie that isn't there.
 

TarHeelEer

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So we are going to create a different standard for this moron?

It's not much different than me interpreting my director at work. He doesn't speak specifically with our... product. He speaks in general terms. I know how to interpret those. Trump is from the business world, and probably does similar things.

I guess you government drones aren't used to this.
 

dave

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What lie?

Did he, or did he not, attempt to halt the acceptance of refugees from Syria? My post wasn't about what he was able to do, but the general attitude.

It's a real simple question, did he attempt it or did he not?
He never banned Muslims or Syrian refugees. There was always a mechanism for them to come to America but it would have been more difficult.
 
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It's not much different than me interpreting my director at work. He doesn't speak specifically with our... product. He speaks in general terms. I know how to interpret those. Trump is from the business world, and probably does similar things.

I guess you government drones aren't used to this.

I am used to people saying what they mean and meaning what they say.
 

dave

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Where did I say that we have a muslim ban?

I said that he talked about it, and that he tried to implement it, specifically with Syria with his EO.

You keep talking about this lie that isn't there.
There it is again.
 

bamaEER

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It's not much different than me interpreting my director at work. He doesn't speak specifically with our... product. He speaks in general terms. I know how to interpret those. Trump is from the business world, and probably does similar things.

I guess you government drones aren't used to this.
Yeah, well, I'm a scientist and operate in a world where peer-review standards require all forms of communication to be accurate and concise.
 

WhiteTailEER

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So, when he said we need a complete and total shutdown on Muslims entering the country ... that's not what he meant at all? But I thought people liked him for his straightforward speech? But it isn't straightforward at all, because he never actually means the words coming out of his mouth, he means something totally different.

So, how do we know what that is?

So when he was calling for a complete Muslim shutdown, what he really meant was that most are good people and Islam is a peaceful religion, but we need to keep only the terrorists out?

Or maybe he was just saying he prefers cake over ice cream?
 

WhiteTailEER

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I cant help you be honest.

I haven't lied about anything .... you interpret things that aren't there and then accuse me of lying based on your false interpretations.

I understand it being a Trump flunky that you have no idea what words even mean anymore, but everybody isn't like that.
 

dave

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I haven't lied about anything .... you interpret things that aren't there and then accuse me of lying based on your false interpretations.

I understand it being a Trump flunky that you have no idea what words even mean anymore, but everybody isn't like that.
Name calling always makes your argument stronger.
 

Mntneer

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So, when he said we need a complete and total shutdown on Muslims entering the country ... that's not what he meant at all? But I thought people liked him for his straightforward speech? But it isn't straightforward at all, because he never actually means the words coming out of his mouth, he means something totally different.

So, how do we know what that is?

So when he was calling for a complete Muslim shutdown, what he really meant was that most are good people and Islam is a peaceful religion, but we need to keep only the terrorists out?

Or maybe he was just saying he prefers cake over ice cream?

You can't apply the same level of logic, reasoning, understanding to what Trump says like you can a normal politician. Politicians in general parse their words very heavily, average people, non-politicians, in normal conversation, don't.

That's why you can't take what he says literally or think it means to him what it means to you.

There's a simple joke in my industry. A Contractor is hired by client to build a new office building that the client is in a hurry to get into. The client asks, "When can you get started?" The contractor answers, "Monday". Monday rolls around and the client arrives at the job site to find that the contractor hasn't showed up. He frantically calls the contractor and says, "Look, I'm in a big hurry with this project, we need to get in and operating as soon as possible, and you said you'd start Monday but you're not here. What's going on?" The contractor simply answers, "I said Monday.... I didn't say which Monday."