MN insurgency getting funds from Canada?

UrHuckleberry

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For those that believe these are funded, can someone share somewhat specifically what you mean by funded? (I get that money is involved, but do you think everyone is paid hourly, salaries, pay for leaflets, to the organizers, etc etc).
 

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For those that believe these are funded, can someone share somewhat specifically what you mean by funded? (I get that money is involved, but do you think everyone is paid hourly, salaries, pay for leaflets, to the organizers, etc etc).
These are things that have been reported on:
Salaries or stipends for organizers/activists — Funding full-time or part-time staff to plan, coordinate, recruit, and lead events (e.g., fellowships or grants to groups that pay organizers modest amounts like $2,000–$4,000 monthly in some reported cases).


• Travel and transportation — Covering costs for buses, flights, gas, or lodging so participants (especially from out of town) can attend large rallies.


• Signs, banners, and materials — Printing identical or professional-looking protest signs, flyers, banners, and other branded items to create a unified look.


• Sound equipment and stages — Renting PA systems, microphones, stages, or venues for speeches and amplification.


• Food, water, and on-site support — Providing supplies like bottled water, snacks, medical aid stations, or porta-potties to keep crowds sustained during long events.


• Training, education, and promotion — Workshops on nonviolent tactics, legal observer training, social media outreach, or advertising to boost turnout.


• Legal and bail support — Funds for lawyers, bail money, or defense in case of arrests (common in civil disobedience-focused groups).


• General operational costs — Office space, communications, website maintenance, or digital tools for coordination.
 

MTTiger19

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For those that believe these are funded, can someone share somewhat specifically what you mean by funded? (I get that money is involved, but do you think everyone is paid hourly, salaries, pay for leaflets, to the organizers, etc etc).
The other thing I want to know is are these all local MN folks. I know there were reports at all these HUGE Kamala rallies that it was the same groups of people, mainly, that were being bussed into each city. That was all over the news iirc.
 
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UrHuckleberry

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The other thing I want to know is are these all local MN folks. I know there were reports at all these HUGE Kamala rallies that it was the same groups of people, mainly, that were being bussed into each city. That was all over the news iirc.
Sure. People are pretty frustrated and angry, etc. So I don't think it is hard for me to believe that people would care enough to travel to protest and feel like they were actually doing something. Feeling like you have no power to do anything is tough. I am sure people frustrated feeling like the election was stolen, and feeling like you couldn't do anything about it was tough for the right too. That frustration culminated in people from all over traveling, having organizations pay for buses to get people there, organize the protest etc. There was a lot of rage at feeling like an injustice was happening then, and there is a lot of rage and feeling like injustice is happening now. I'll never understand how people bought what I think was a lie in the face of all available evidence and logic. But that doesn't mean I can't relate and put myself in their shoes if they do actually believe it. So just trying to understand why it is so hard to believe that people would travel to protest, etc now. Even if you believe its all propaganda, etc, you can't think that everyone thinks like the right. Think they're upset about something silly, or that they're believing lies or something. Sure. That is an opinion. At the end of the day, people travel to protests to have their voice heard all the time. Rittenhouse didn't live in Minnesota either I don't believe.

I just see anything with a large group of people left leaning are "funded" and never know what exactly is meant. Whether people saying that mean that people are like given a $100 bill to show up, whether they think people are actually making a living doing this, or what. No doubt people with money give it to organizations that organize rally's. That is not unique to the left. They have organizers, marketers, rent out spaces, work with city officials to block things off, likely even sometimes pay for off duty cops or something. idk. I don't do that, but there's of course money that goes into this stuff. Just like there was at J6. And the Right to Life type marches.
 
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These are things that have been reported on:
Salaries or stipends for organizers/activists — Funding full-time or part-time staff to plan, coordinate, recruit, and lead events (e.g., fellowships or grants to groups that pay organizers modest amounts like $2,000–$4,000 monthly in some reported cases).


• Travel and transportation — Covering costs for buses, flights, gas, or lodging so participants (especially from out of town) can attend large rallies.


• Signs, banners, and materials — Printing identical or professional-looking protest signs, flyers, banners, and other branded items to create a unified look.


• Sound equipment and stages — Renting PA systems, microphones, stages, or venues for speeches and amplification.


• Food, water, and on-site support — Providing supplies like bottled water, snacks, medical aid stations, or porta-potties to keep crowds sustained during long events.


• Training, education, and promotion — Workshops on nonviolent tactics, legal observer training, social media outreach, or advertising to boost turnout.


• Legal and bail support — Funds for lawyers, bail money, or defense in case of arrests (common in civil disobedience-focused groups).


• General operational costs — Office space, communications, website maintenance, or digital tools for coordination.

Was this all reported by journalists or anonymous Twitter accounts?
 
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MTTiger19

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The Soros conspiracy theory is one of my absolutely favorite ones to come out of the last 20 years.
Meaning what? You don’t think he’s financially involved? He’s said he is. The foundations openly fund civil society, human rights, and justice initiatives but explicitly deny paying people to protest or directly funding street actions.
 
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UrHuckleberry

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Meaning what? You don’t think he’s financially involved? He’s said he is. The foundations openly fund civil society, human rights, and justice initiatives but explicitly deny paying people to protest or directly funding street actions.
Right, I guess my question is just what people actually mean when they say it. Because a lot of that stuff doesn't bother me, and I know happens on the right as well.

Having explicitly paid agitators or something that haven't volunteered that are paid specifically to cause trouble or something, would bother me.
 

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Right, I guess my question is just what people actually mean when they say it. Because a lot of that stuff doesn't bother me, and I know happens on the right as well.

Having explicitly paid agitators or something that haven't volunteered that are paid specifically to cause trouble or something, would bother me.
I’m not arguing but what group(s) on the right are you referring to? Heritage foundation? I ask bc generally you don’t see conservatives protesting stuff like this or in general. So what would the market be for that? What’s the incentive if it’s not to promote change? Seems like a reach, that’s why I ask.
 

UrHuckleberry

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I’m not arguing but what group(s) on the right are you referring to? Heritage foundation? I ask bc generally you don’t see conservatives protesting stuff like this or in general. So what would the market be for that? What’s the incentive if it’s not to promote change? Seems like a reach, that’s why I ask.
I mean, I gave the example of the J6 protests. There were a lot of organizations involved, bussing in people, etc. And I believe they were genuine, were unhappy with what they say as injustice, etc. The March for Life or whatever the pro-life march is yearly. Would imagine they have to have lots of funding for various reasons.
 

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I mean, I gave the example of the J6 protests. There were a lot of organizations involved, bussing in people, etc. And I believe they were genuine, were unhappy with what they say as injustice, etc. The March for Life or whatever the pro-life march is yearly. Would imagine they have to have lots of funding for various reasons.
J6 is the only outlier I can think of. No one is getting shot at a match for life rally. J6 to me was completely organic, imo that’s why you saw such a heavy hand punishing them. They weren’t bad actors. They were real people that were angry, right or wrong, again imo.
 

UrHuckleberry

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J6 is the only outlier I can think of. No one is getting shot at a match for life rally. J6 to me was completely organic, imo that’s why you saw such a heavy hand punishing them. They weren’t bad actors. They were real people that were angry, right or wrong, again imo.
I've been specifically talking about the idea of there being money behind organizing them. There is a yearly march for life or whatever it is called. It is a cause that the right cares about, for the most part. And people likely give money to help organize the march, there are organizers, marketers, permits required, likely paid off duty cops, etc. That is all I am saying. That people giving money towards the organizations of protests, marches, etc, isn't in and of itself an issue. So I just get wary of people claiming things that are normal, regular, and above board as some sort of issue. There may be. I am not in Soros inner circle.
 

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The right spends billions on social media, podcasts, and influencers funded from various organizations for messaging, rallies etc.

They've absolutely crushed the left in this regard. Also, tpusa is massively funded by right wing donors.

It's all the same stuff
 

MTTiger19

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The right spends billions on social media, podcasts, and influencers funded from various organizations for messaging, rallies etc.

They've absolutely crushed the left in this regard. Also, tpusa is massively funded by right wing donors.

It's all the same stuff
lol.
 

PawPride

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Meaning what? You don’t think he’s financially involved? He’s said he is. The foundations openly fund civil society, human rights, and justice initiatives but explicitly deny paying people to protest or directly funding street actions.
Mainly pertaining to the paying for protestors trope. That always seems like cope from dems and pubs when they complain about a lot of protestors coming out. There's no arguing against him being financially involved in political action, that's an indisputable fact.
 

PawPride

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The right spends billions on social media, podcasts, and influencers funded from various organizations for messaging, rallies etc.

They've absolutely crushed the left in this regard. Also, tpusa is massively funded by right wing donors.

It's all the same stuff
Historically, the left has had the support of mainstream media (with the exception of FNC). The right had the AM radio circuit monopolized, but that wasn't nearly as impactful as what the left had wrt national media. The right has done a fabulous job cornering and monopolizing social media/podcasts/etc over the last ~10-15 years, but I fear a lot of what Trump has done so far is going to come back and bite us in the ***. You can already see a lot of the Austin comedian podcast circuit turning on Trump (Schultz, etc), with the exception of Rogan who tends to just gravitate to and support whatever his guests say at any given time.

With billionaires getting more involved and purchasing the parent companies of a lot of these mainstream media outlets, there's been a noticeable shift in tenor from both the TV side and publication side. Just look at CBS News since Bari Weiss was put in charge.
 
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Historically, the left has had the support of mainstream media (with the exception of FNC). The right had the AM radio circuit monopolized, but that wasn't nearly as impactful as what the left had wrt national media. The right has done a fabulous job cornering and monopolizing social media/podcasts/etc over the last ~10-15 years, but I fear a lot of what Trump has done so far is going to come back and bite us in the ***. You can already see a lot of the Austin comedian podcast circuit turning on Trump (Schultz, etc), with the exception of Rogan who tends to just gravitate to and support whatever his guests say at any given time.

With billionaires getting more involved and purchasing the parent companies of a lot of these mainstream media outlets, there's been a noticeable shift in tenor from both the TV side and publication side. Just look at CBS News since Bari Weiss was put in charge.
I would agree with most of this.
 

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Several of y'all are still-for years now- so embarrassing and obviously lonely and or just twisted souls. It's been a while so I'll post a "response" anyway.
A murderous criminal foreign dictator/foreign influence$ oligarch$ now control our government and court$. Unlimited unfettered corruption/money dictate our governments policies , law enforcement, court$. We have Treasonous OWNED potu$ OWNED court$/government$/politicians. It is OBVIOUS to REASONABLE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST humans everywhere. That is THE story-NOT the 90+% of mania you seemingly endlessly post&spew. I hope several of you find more peace in your life times ;/
There are no such things as REASONABLE INTELLECTUALLY HONEST humans on the left. We also have a city full of treasonous pos in the twin cities all the way to Walz himself. Just like the many other things Ive stated over the years, the left here has call crazy and insane and claimed I needed help, those things just keep coming true and Im proven right in the end. So time will once again tell who's right...
 

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Meaning what? You don’t think he’s financially involved? He’s said he is. The foundations openly fund civil society, human rights, and justice initiatives but explicitly deny paying people to protest or directly funding street actions.
They will deny it even if it comes from the horses mouth because it takes away from the narrative. Leftist are all in on narrative and facts dont matter unless they support that narrative...
 

PawPride

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Bari Weiss was your traditional liberal. She is just briniging CBS back to the center.

A Clinton liberal.
She's a corporatist Dem, which more currently aligns with non-MAGA Republicans, like myself, than with your current liberal. I think COVID pushed her further right, like a lot of people, but her hardline Israel/Zionistic stances make her more RW than LW.
 
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A Clinton liberal.
She began to realize that she was on the baddy team back when she went on Joe Rogan and made a fool of herself. She saw how brainwashed she had been. So glad she got free of the indoctrination she had been in and out of the lefty bubble she had been in...
 
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She's a corporatist Dem, which more currently aligns with non-MAGA Republicans, like myself, than with your current liberal. I think COVID pushed her further right, like a lot of people, but her hardline Israel/Zionistic stances make her more RW than LW.
The Israel stuff is pretty wild. But there’s a lot of that….unfortunately both sides have some issues there. I think you’ll see more young RW people are not pro-Israel like the ones before them. They’re not antisemitic but they’re not cool with doing Israel’s bidding.
 
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Well since the oath keepers and proud boys are signing up for ICE I guess the non profit orgs that funnel money to them are sponsoring fascism.
 

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These are things that have been reported on:
Salaries or stipends for organizers/activists — Funding full-time or part-time staff to plan, coordinate, recruit, and lead events (e.g., fellowships or grants to groups that pay organizers modest amounts like $2,000–$4,000 monthly in some reported cases).


• Travel and transportation — Covering costs for buses, flights, gas, or lodging so participants (especially from out of town) can attend large rallies.


• Signs, banners, and materials — Printing identical or professional-looking protest signs, flyers, banners, and other branded items to create a unified look.


• Sound equipment and stages — Renting PA systems, microphones, stages, or venues for speeches and amplification.


• Food, water, and on-site support — Providing supplies like bottled water, snacks, medical aid stations, or porta-potties to keep crowds sustained during long events.


• Training, education, and promotion — Workshops on nonviolent tactics, legal observer training, social media outreach, or advertising to boost turnout.


• Legal and bail support — Funds for lawyers, bail money, or defense in case of arrests (common in civil disobedience-focused groups).


• General operational costs — Office space, communications, website maintenance, or digital tools for coordination.
somebody has to pay for those whistles !
 
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The right spends billions on social media, podcasts, and influencers funded from various organizations for messaging, rallies etc.

They've absolutely crushed the left in this regard. Also, tpusa is massively funded by right wing donors.

It's all the same stuff
Fox News is a fourth branch of govt that answers to no one and has no checks and balances.
 
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The Israel stuff is pretty wild. But there’s a lot of that….unfortunately both sides have some issues there. I think you’ll see more young RW people are not pro-Israel like the ones before them. They’re not antisemitic but they’re not cool with doing Israel’s bidding.
It doesn't seem as if it was that long ago that the majority of both parties were solid Israel supporters.