Mo Barry
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Yeah, that is known. Just like the kid that didn't come back for practices. Just have to keep flipping the roster until all of that stuff is weeded out and then the Frost culture will take place and the program will become player led for leadership and accountability. That is what will lead to long-term success, not just a coach having a red face every day from yelling.
Some of this is just getting ridiculous. I know we walk a fine line, but at some point we just need to send those kids packing. Enough about the feelings. If you don't wanna be here GTFO.
I know we don't have much time left, but I hope we see a youth moment to end the year. Play Reimer, Heinrich and Hannah. The best thing Mo could do as a leader is sit back and support the youngsters. The season is already toast, let's build the culture with the youngsters and see how they do. Our captains can't cut the mustard, just as well go with the youth.
That would not surprise me in the least. We can all see it with the lack of effort on the field, the half *** tackling, the standing around/ jogging during play. My opinion, our 0-6 start last year was a direct result of MR, and player rebelling against Frost. Our 4-2 was the result of most of the players buying in. I think most still had that buy in mindset coming into this year. We had all the hype, all the BIG10 west talk, Adrian as a Heisman contender. Dark horse for the NC. Then a bad showing against a bad South Alabama team, then a bad comeback loss against CU. That MR mentality started to creep back into these upperclassmen, who had seen this song and dance before. Then the blowout loss to Ohio St. I think that was the game that many of the upperclassmen said, screw it, and check out. They stopped believing what Frost was selling and went back to their old ways of not giving a F$%#. I think that many of these players are just looking to get the year over with and graduate. Especially guys like Carlos Davis, Khalil Davis, Alex Davis, Lamar Jackson,
I said months ago, we won't know what we have in Frost until every single one of MR guys are gone. Or at least until all of Frost guys are starters. Don't get me wrong, this mess is on Frost as well. You aren't this bad just because a handful of players aren't buying in. Frost needs to figure his crap out as well.
I said months ago, we won't know what we have in Frost until every single one of MR guys are gone. Or at least until all of Frost guys are starters. Don't get me wrong, this mess is on Frost as well. You aren't this bad just because a handful of players aren't buying in. Frost needs to figure his crap out as well.
Great post! I was watching Creighton and Nebraska basketball last night. But something (gulp) caught my eye during the Creighton game. The freshman from Burke, Shereef Mitchell, took an ill-advised strange shot to end the first half. After the buzzer sounded, Tyshon Alexander, a junior and a leader, had the stones to give him a short talking to more or less. I snapped my fingers and got on my we-don't-have-any-leaders-on-the-football-team soap box. That kind of culture and accountability is what is missing right now on this football team.
True but hearing this has made me less mad and more patient.
I have seen a few players that should sit the rest of the year and not based on performance
The problem with this is how many are we talking? One, two, or ten? The roster has been pretty much been "flipped" so how many can still be left? It is going to have to be EXTREMELY obvious to me to call anyone out for not giving 100%. That is the coaches job to make that call, from the bleachers its hard to know what is really going on.
IF this is really happening at a large scale and IF it is hurting the team and IF there is someone to take their place, that is still the coach's call, not mine as Mr. Saturday Fan. While I understand the call for the youth movement, I am not sure that sends the best message as well. Now if the younger player is better, then by all means, but there is criteria there. That's what Frost and his staff get paid the big bucks to do.
IF this is really happening at a large scale and IF it is hurting the team and IF there is someone to take their place, that is still the coach's call, not mine as Mr. Saturday Fan. While I understand the call for the youth movement, I am not sure that sends the best message as well. Now if the younger player is better, then by all means, but there is criteria there. That's what Frost and his staff get paid the big bucks to do.
That is one thing I wish would happen. Coaches need to try and go radio silent. No more about we had great practices, or spirited. Just reply they are trying to get better. Give the most coachspeak answer you can and move on. I'm tired of the talk about everything.
It is mind boggling to me why Frost is not sitting these players that are not trying. There is no logic at all. The only reasoning I can come up with is Frost knows the guys are checked out, he knows the season is over. He is preparing for the next year and the future and doesn't want to risk injuring his young guys talented guys....... Then if that was true, why is he still playing Wandale? So who knows.
Wan'Dale is a pretty good case study for recruits. As he said in today's press conference, there's a good chance to make an impact right away if you're a good player.
Mike Riley hasn't been here for two years. It's time WE Husker fans stop looking in the past. It is up to current leadership to lead. Look, I though Frost was The Guy. I still have hope. Every job that I have had, I was told these are the people you have to work with. Lead them! Attrition is part of being a leaders responsibility. Bottom line performance is also a Big part of the job. Excuses are not. We as fans have demanded something more than a nine win season. Now we as fans allow excuses and we also make the excuses. I understand that Rome wasn't built in a day. I also know that Rome doesn't exist today as a power. That may be the reality we as Husker fans have to deal with if excuses don't stop and leadership takes hold.
While true there are many Frost players on the team. I wouldn't really call in "flipped" .
13 on the 2 deep, on offense are still MR guys. Half of the starters I believe are still MR guys. On the D side 14 on the 2 deep are MR guys and 9 of the starters. Of course none of those guys are upper class men, which normally is where the leadership comes from. Hell 2 of the 4 captains were SF guys, that shows the lack of leadership among MR guys. IMO I don't think we can call this roster flipped until most of the starting LU are his guys and not only his guys, but upper class men. Which should be the case in another 2 years. Hopefully next year we are seeing 80-90% of the starters Frost guys.
Agree, I used this example awhile back. Lets say you come into a company as a manager. Now the guy before you was a slacker, he let the employees do whatever they wanted. They could take 3 hr lunch breaks, call in sick whenever they wanted, and do the bare minimum. You come in and try to crack the whip and get people to do their job and stop slacking. Yes, you have some that say screw it and leave right away. You have some that jump on board right away. You also have some, that don't want to go through the hassle of looking for another job. So they stay, however after years of doing the bare min they aren't going to just change their ways because you say so.
So you notice there are some that still aren't working they way you expect. Now you can't just fire these people, and replace them , you as a manager still have to answer to your boss. If you go and fire a handful of crappy employees all at once production is going to drop even more. Yes they are lazy but they are at least doing the bare min. Yes, you can hire new people to take their spots, but it is going to take time to train them the way you want them trained. So in turn you realize you have to keep the lazy POSs on so at least some work gets done, vs no work. So you have to weed them out slowly until the guys you want are ready.
"season is toast". This is the sort of crap that leads to dissension and bad play. These kids work harder at football than almost anybody works at anything. We can still make a bowl, get a trip to warm place where our fans can celebrate a bit, and get young guys a couple more weeks of practice, plus regional recruiting. Fans are so petulant and short sighted and then they expect kids to "buy in". Our fans won't even buy in to their state or university team...why should a husker player do it. Every game matters...they could crap the bed and then blowout Iowa and it would change the entire scope of the season. I swear some of the "men" on the board must not have any maturity or responsibility.
It sounds to this outsider like expectations were way out of whack for the reality of the returning roster. I think Frost will eventually get you back in the hunt for the West, but he didn't help the team any by not tamping down these unrealistic expectations early on.
Agree, That was all way to much expectations for year 2. However another 4-8 years is severely under performing.
The 2015 recruiting class has been to hell and back for this program yet they get no love from our fanbase. GARBAGE!
-These guys were recruited to play for Pelini. He gets fired at the end of their recruiting cycle. They still stay committed to us!
-They are essentially on their 3rd Head Coach and stay loyal to the program.
-They all have had countless different position coaches over their 5 years yet they've stayed loyal.
-They see countless teammates quit the program over their 5 years yet these guys never wavered!
(Their are only 8 of 21 commits from 2015 still on the roster. Some are out of eligibility but most quit.)
-They have only seen 1 winning season in their 5 years yet they keep fighting!
Every coaching change, every teammate quiting, every new scheme, every new workout program, every new set of rules to follow, only made it tougher for our guys to max out their potential yet they hear so much crap from our base about how they are doing enough or don't care enough. GARBAGE!!!
Win or lose, Support our guys!!
-These guys were recruited to play for Pelini. He gets fired at the end of their recruiting cycle. They still stay committed to us!
-They are essentially on their 3rd Head Coach and stay loyal to the program.
-They all have had countless different position coaches over their 5 years yet they've stayed loyal.
-They see countless teammates quit the program over their 5 years yet these guys never wavered!
(Their are only 8 of 21 commits from 2015 still on the roster. Some are out of eligibility but most quit.)
-They have only seen 1 winning season in their 5 years yet they keep fighting!
Every coaching change, every teammate quiting, every new scheme, every new workout program, every new set of rules to follow, only made it tougher for our guys to max out their potential yet they hear so much crap from our base about how they are doing enough or don't care enough. GARBAGE!!!
Win or lose, Support our guys!!
We as fans just need to hope we have some strong leadership with our youngsters. Wandale seems like he has the it factor for leadership. But we need some leadership from some the big uglies. Hopefully Benhart will develop into what we expect on the online and becomes a verbal leader as well as Robinson on the d-line. We need some of the big bruisers to get up in somebodies face who isn't performing or buying in and grab them by the facemask to kick the arse in the right direction.
We have none of that...
We have none of that...
Lol... Ok.. Since they really care what a random message board guy says. The season is toast. We are on the outside looking in at a bowl games, and if our older guys aren't going to do it and try to get us there, put in the young guns to try and get us there. I know the bowl would be huge for us, but our upper class guys are not getting it done, and don't seem like they care to. I know the kids work hard for the most part, but don't give me the they work harder than almost anybody works at anything line. This is complete ********. They are pampered and yes they work hard, but there are a ton of people in this world who work just as hard for everything they get in their career. I work longer hours than any of these kids, manage a family, travel for work etc... So get out of here with that ****.
You should probably look at my posting history. I am bought in and I support the kids 100%, but I am also tired of hearing about and watching those upper class guys who are not. Get them out of there. I want this thing to get going in the right direction and I think we need to start being honest at where we sit. This is going to take time, but there are also things that can be done to start the process now with the young guys. These old guys had their shot and **** the bed. Time for something different.
I heard the audio of that exchange between Mitchell and Alexander.
Alexander: "Take another shot like that, and coach will start deducting from your weekly payoff."
Mitchell: "Damn. Good point. Thanks."
Name another coach that came in and had even this much attrition. In fact, name another team? I can't imagine one, probably is one or two. What you are asking for is a complete overhaul of anyone who had anything to do with any other coach. I don't know if that is fair to the players. They stayed through a lot of muck and more to be where they are at. If the coaches play them them they must think they are good for the team or the best we have. Not my call, theirs. So what do you do about the guys Frost and Co. brought in who have left or not contributing? It's a slippery slope and if you aren't careful you will have a team devoid of Juniors and Seniors. Do you think the D would be better with the upper class men gone? Frost apparently does not but fans do.hmmm
Are you talking about what Mike Riley was up against or what Scott Frost is up against?
Why they are still playing is the biggest question mark about the coaches that I have! Makes no sense to reward bad behavior and can send a message of double-standards.
I hear ya, but if that is the case why has it taken so long for it to happen. If Frost is waiting to sit them til the half *** it 3 or 4 times that is just feeding the beast.
Leadership starts with the coaches. The coaching staff needs to establish a culture of accountability and provide leadership before that will take place in the players.
I don't see him making any excuses for anything. Just giving some perspective on what the 5th year Seniors have been through.
I don't think it's black and white or all or nothing. What we see is on individual plays a guy might not go all out like Jackson on the TD pass play to the TE. He ASSUMED his teammates would make the tackle and didn't get his *** over there to make sure. Was that a bad attitude or just mistaken confidence in his brothers? Was Farniok's missed block a half assed play or was it just a lack of ability to get there? I'm not seeing the lack of effort thing. I see guys who are frustrated at their own and teammate's mistakes. I thought for the most part we played pretty hard against Purdue but our guys HAVE to learn to finish plays. Get to the next level and make that extra block. Make sure a guy is down before you assume he's down.
The moment Frost stepped on campus, the players on the roster became his players and the responsibility for the program was all on him. It's a joke that we're still blaming Riley near the end of year 2 of a different coach.
There's a malaise attached to the football program and it's so easy for these players to get frustrated and say "here we go again" when things go bad. Sure Riley bears some responsibility still for that. Sure they're Frost's players now. The only thing that will remove the malaise and instill a sense of confidence is to win. Winning cures alot of ills and right now we're just making too many unforced errors. It's all of the above. Coaching at times, talent at times, effort at times. All of the above. IF I could fix one thing right now that would make the most difference IMO it would be QB play. It's been a killer whether it was Martinez at Purdue or Vedral's fumble against Indiana. They're both still young QBs and bound to make mistakes.
Remember on this board when it was said that the players didn't buy into Riley and that made Riley a really crappy coach? Now it's being said here that players apparently aren't buying into Frost which, if people were consistent, then they'd also think Frost wasn't a great coach, but nope... It's the players fault now.
Also it was said here that Frost was an amazing coach and he'll get the players to buy into what he's selling. We'll at least always have great effort. Now apparently he's not getting many to buy in?
Odd....