Monday Morning QB- LSU edition

[Coach34]

to the question of "when do we throw then", your answer seems to be: after we've run for a TD (or multiple TDs) on possibly the best DL in the nation? Okay, Croom

i think we're overemphasizing the INT. if you call plays worried about INTs, then you've already lost. if it's just an incompletion, then you run for the 1st down on 4th and 1. If you're worried about being able to convert in with only 1 try (and we should, we'd been stuffed multiple times already), thenyou should be worried enoughabout getting it in 2 tries that you consider the PA pass. I don't think we beat LSU by being conservative.

Though i will say that situation screams for a roll-out play, rather than the dropback.

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and nobody says we have to go to that extreme, but aGAIN- we have thrown more passes than our opponents in all 3 games- and that just isnt the type of team we have. LSU's secondary is better than it's DL- just because NC hit some passes vs back-ups to gain momentum doesnt mean their secondary isnt one of the best in the SEC.


"If you're worried about being able to convert in with only 1 try (and we should, we'd been stuffed multiple times already)

look at that drive chart and point out "stuffed multiple times"???? We had one time on 3rd and 1 where we got only a half. Now go look up how many times we got a 1st down when running it on 3rd down. Thats just a bunch of crap you're spewing there



"I don't think we beat LSU by being conservative"


well, doing what we did didnt work so well either did it?

 

[FlabLoser]

Receiver has inside position, so lead the receiver inside and do it with zip - not with a high floater. Easy throw and catch.

I'm starting to wonder of Ralph got tunnel vision and saw nothing but our receiver. Paid no attention to that white jersey out there.

 

[Coach34]

that's the primary WR on the play and that player is guarded by Peterson

 

[Foronce]

questionable call? maybe, but the execution of the play was beyond terrible. Relf has to know his job as a thrower is to not kill us at this point.


please tell me what wr on our roster wins a jump ball consistently?
We have no business throwing a jump ball, this year.

 

[boomboommsu]

part of utilizing a stud like Patterson is to disguise who he's gonna pick up as best you can, for just this reason.

if Mullen purposefully threw on Patterson, then i agree with you. but i don't think he did.

 

[Coach34]

Peterson is the CB to that side and was guarding the WR...he was locked up man

poor call at that point in the game- plain and simple

 

[boomboommsu]

<table class="mod-data mod-pbp" width="100%" border="1"><tbody><tr class="odd" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap" colspan="2">3rd and 1 at LSU 46</td><td><font color="#000000">Vick Ballard</font> rush for no gain to the LSU 46.</td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody><tbody><tr class="even" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap" colspan="2">4th and 1 at LSU 46</td><td><font color="#000000">LaDarius Perkins</font> rush for 1 yard to the LSU 45 for a 1ST down.</td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody><tbody><tr class="odd" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap" colspan="2">1st and 10 at LSU 45</td><td><font color="#000000">Patrick Hanrahan</font> rush for a loss of 1 yard to the LSU 46.</td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody><tbody><tr class="even" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap" colspan="2">2nd and 11 at LSU 46</td><td><font color="#000000">Vick Ballard</font> rush for 10 yards to the LSU 36.</td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody><tbody><tr class="odd" valign="top"><td nowrap="nowrap" colspan="2">3rd and 1 at LSU 36</td><td><font color="#000000">Chris Relf</font> pass intercepted by Patrick Peterson at the LSU 2, returned for 46 yards to the LSU 48.</td></tr></tbody></table>
that's a marked contrast from earlier in the game. sure looks like they were keying in on the run. that situation screams for play-action.

 

[dpaul6]

but let's not kid ourselves by saying that Ralph's pass was only 6-inches off target.

Clark was open; he had a step on Peterson. If Ralph throws that ball 2-yards closer to the middle of the field (AKA - leading the receiver), it's an easy catch for Clark and Mullen looks like a genius. The play was there; we have to assume that Ralph has demonstrated the ability to throw that route in practice; he just didn't get it done in the game. I have a hard time blaming bad play calling when the play is there for the taking but players fail to execute.

Also, I'd like to hear your thoughts on Russell's running ability. He'll mever set any land speed records, but he seemed to do a servicable job running the read option on the TD drive. I haven't looked at the play charts, but I remember him running for positive yards more than once.

Peterson did what great cover corners do....he baited Ralph into that pass. Clark was open because Peterson allowed him to be. The throw should have never happened because we should have gotten the 1+ yard on the ground and kept the chains moving.

 

[8dog]

on the first 2 runs. The third run, the Hanrahan run, had success against AU and we hadn't run it yet. And their Defensive Lineman completely blew up the center on that play. We almost didn't get the exchange off.

 

[Johnson85]

Receiver has inside position, so lead the receiver inside and do it with zip - not with a high floater. Easy throw and catch.

I'm starting to wonder of Ralph got tunnel vision and saw nothing but our receiver. Paid no attention to that white jersey out there.

 

[Coach34]

when the ball arrived...Clark wasnt open at all- the only chance we had was the throw it more inside- but even then there is no guarantee that Peterson couldnt have knocked it away

 

[dawgstudent]

of holding the crap out of Clark hence him being so close.

And I think we would have gone for it on 4th and 1.

 

[Todd4State]

how would Dixon have done against LSU on Sat.? My guess is he would have gotten more yards, and since he was a very physical running back he would have been able to wear on the LSU defenders a little bit more. He also would have been able to bust a 20 yard run every once in a while as well. If you look at the play by play, yes, we are getting a few yards here and there, and are moving the ball, but the big runs are what is missing. Ballard does not have the energy that Dixon brought to our team last year, either. Those big plays are huge when you are a team like MSU on the road because they would have possibly gotten us more points and at least flipped field position in our favor, helping our defense out.

Also, I think Russell would have played less had Relf not gotten hit on the head (probably illegally) by whomever from LSU. Up until that point Russell had not taken a snap, and that was in the third quarter. So, that coupled with the fact that Dan has already said that Relf will start against Georgia lends me to believe that he is likely going to stay with Relf. I would like to see him start Tyler vs Alcorn so that he has experience going through a week as "the man".

At this point, all I want Dan to realize is that when we are playing someone that has more talent than us is to be more conservative when we are playing them. We have to be very careful with the risks that we take. With our o-line, they are better at run blocking than pass blocking, so it seems to stand to reason that we should run the ball more.

 

[Johnson85]

to the question of "when do we throw then", your answer seems to be: after we've run for a TD (or multiple TDs) on possibly the best DL in the nation? Okay, Croom

i think we're overemphasizing the INT. if you call plays worried about INTs, then you've already lost. ...I don't think we beat LSU by being conservative.
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Nor does it have to mean being conservative. We know they have anlock down corner in Patterson. We have a good idea of where he's likely to be playing. You're telling me we don't have aPA pass where the initial read is to the other side of the field?

It's not like it was a terrible play call, but it's not like last year's LSU game either.If you can't trust your qb pitch the ball to your bestRB or lob the ball to awide open receiver, you're screwed regardless and play call doesn't matter.While not great, our defense is good enough, and our running game good enough, that trying to limit the number of throws to Patterson's side of the fielddoes not kill our chance of winning.

 

[Coach34]

Clark had a fit after Peterson picked it wanting a flag and I'm sure we would have.

I think it was a bad call because our D needed some rest and Peterson's guy was our primary WR...if the pass is more inside, who knows though

What's even worse to me is having Ralph in a 5 wide set- that's a waste if he isnt going to throw a quick slant out of it. LSU checked to a certain blitz when we lined up 5-wide and it forced the 2nd pick. Thats getting out-coached.

I think we need less sharing of reps and one of the 2 QB's needs to be better prepared to play on Saturday

 

[boomboommsu]

those were the previous 4 plays to the 3rd and one PA pass. run stuffed on 3 of the 4.

 

[8dog]

keys in on the run on 3rd and 4th and 1. It doesn't mean you ask your pass deficient QB to throw 30 yds down field.

If you want to do that. PA, boot him out with a TE and give him the option to run.

 

[boomboommsu]

more boot, definitely. but if the coach thinks his QB is so pass deficient that he's afraid to run a basic PA pass at the perfect time for it, then he shouldn't be starting ahead of the non-pass deficient QB should he?

 

[boomboommsu]

but anyway, i agree you want to throw away from Peterson. what i don't know is if we threw at him by (negligent) design, or if LSU disguised their coverage in some way that led to it. i think it's just dumbassery to assume we knew

this started because everyone seems pissed that we threw at all, instead of running. i've never contended there weren't better pass plays, that just seems to be what several have latched onto rather than defend their initial run over PA pass stance.</p>

 

[sardis]

Yes, Tyler had three interceptions, some of that was due to inexperience of seeing the house coming at you. If Ralph is needed, put him as RB, he's bigger than the ones we have now.

 

[Johnson85]

Nothing to stop LSU from moving Patterson all over the field, but I haven't heard that they were doing that (I was not watching for it, so could be completely wrong). I think if you line a wide receiver out wide on the side of the field Patterson generally lines up on and run him to the deep outside third of that side of the field, you can be reasonably sure he's going to be in the flats or deep third if he doesn't blitz. Maybe he cheats to the middle deep third on some plays?

Ideally we'd send the qb to the line with the ability to audible depending on where Patterson is; don't know if it's realistic to expect our qbs take normal audibles and also add wrinkle based on where Patterson is.

But again, not like it was a terrible play call,I just think Mullen is a little hesitant to acknowledge that some of his players just can't do what he considers the basics. I think once we upgrade our talent a little, I'll be happy that we have a coach that calls plays with the expectation that the players are going to execute.

 

[57stratdawg]

of that interception?

Cause that video will show how terrible of a throw it was by Relf, and clear up a bunch of BS in this thread..

 

[slickdawg]

of that interception?

Cause that video will show how terrible of a throw it was by Relf, and clear up a bunch of BS in this thread..

I don't know that I can stomach watching that **** again to put the video up.

 

[Coach34]

the 1st half of the drive Relf led us down the field, then Russell finished it off

Russell has 4 interceptions in less than 3 quarters of SEC football and people want him to play QB? Seriously?

 

[lawdawg02]

You said we're just running random plays. But the PA INT was not that. On the previous 3rd and1, we ran triple option out of the gun, TE in motion. Same play on the 4th down, but gAve to the FB. On the PA INT, we had the same formation, same TE motion, and faked the same play. So we at least were playing off of what we had done before.

Also, I'd like to know what route Clark was supposed to run. He went outside of peterson off the line, which usually means he's not running a post. So relf may not have been supposed to throw to the middle of the field. Relf still had plenty of time and shouldve been able to adjust if needed.

I don't mind the play call, but like you said, a first down was very important at that time. And I wouldve told the QB to find Peterson before the snap, and don't throw innhis direction. On EVERY play.