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im most likely in the minority, but i say its his own damn business and i could care less. the mannings arent doing jff any favors by inviting him to the camp and i doubt jff thinks of it as some great honor...he probably sees it as doing the mannings a favor and its just a huge hassle for him to live up the the expectations when you consider his past few months have been filled with sleighing tail, drinkin, and stomping everyones asses in words with friends in between sleighing tail and drinking. i think its utter hypocrisy coming from the mannings....as they clearly have no respect for how things should be done (remember eli to san diego.....errr i mean new york?). 17 the mannings and their 17ed up double standard. daddy stepped in the breach for eli by being a dick to an entire nfl organization, and as far as i can tell, they had some **** coming to them. in summary, 17 the pretentious mannings. may their seed be nothing but girls and boys that lack appendages.
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where people have problems is that they expect a qb to have more control than he has. People say "but he's just 20 and living the college life." The thing is, he isn't a normal college male. He's the leader of a SEC program. He should show a little more discipline than what he is. NFL teams are not going to like this. It's not going to turn them away, but it will definitely raise some red flags.
where people have problems is that they expect a qb to have more control than he has. People say "but he's just 20 and living the college life." The thing is, he isn't a normal college male. He's the leader of a SEC program. He should show a little more discipline than what he is. NFL teams are not going to like this. It's not going to turn them away, but it will definitely raise some red flags.
You can't honestly believe the **** that you just wrote. Is your hatred for Ole Miss that strong that you believe all that?? It is somehow the Mannings' fault that JFF is a 17 up? You think JFF is bigger than the Mannings?? lol ok.....
Do you have children?
Whether you do, or not, I hope you aren't serious. This story is not about the Mannings, but while I am sure they aren't perfect, you better hope your's have the same values the Manning family has instilled in their boys.
Meanwhile, this is a story about a dishonest player that is supposed to be a leader of his team and display the values of the Heisman he won. I am sure good character is part of what I hope is included in what makes up a Heisman winner. Unfortunately, a lot of those winners turn out to be sorry individuals, but maybe he was just caught up in the moment. The French Quarter will do that to you.
Whether you do, or not, I hope you aren't serious. This story is not about the Mannings, but while I am sure they aren't perfect, you better hope your's have the same values the Manning family has instilled in their boys.
Meanwhile, this is a story about a dishonest player that is supposed to be a leader of his team and display the values of the Heisman he won. I am sure good character is part of what I hope is included in what makes up a Heisman winner. Unfortunately, a lot of those winners turn out to be sorry individuals, but maybe he was just caught up in the moment. The French Quarter will do that to you.
I've seen what the Mannings have done for people that I know personally going through some hard times. Something that changes your perspective to something that's above State/Ole Miss trivial rivalry ********.
I have nothing against the Mannings, but I am curious as to why they would get positive or negative reactions on this board. I can understand the negative post more so than the positive ones. Since I never go to their board I have a question. Do they ever sing the praises of any Bulldog sports figure past or present?
He made a commitment and didn't follow through
A QB is supposed to be a leader, he didn't have to say he'd be at the camp, but he did, and he should follow through. That's the issue, regardless of what camp it was.
A QB is supposed to be a leader, he didn't have to say he'd be at the camp, but he did, and he should follow through. That's the issue, regardless of what camp it was.
Would you really consider never honestly assessing and potentially complimenting a current or former OM person if you knew they never complimented MSU people? Your answer will tell us a lot about you.
You don't know what happened at all with the Chargers do you? The owner of the team wanted Eli and the coaches wanted Rivers. There was a power struggle. The owner invited Eli out to do a meet and greet with the coaching staff. He went out to meet with them and sat in the lobby all morning and never was called in to meet a soul. They left him sitting and no one ever even came out to see him. He stayed in San Diego for two days and never saw anyone other than a receptionist that couldn't tell him what was going on. If you are upset at the Manning's for what happened with San Diego then you shouldn't be. They simply didn't want him and they let the Manning's take the heat, which they did and never even said a word about what really went down.
The coaches won the power struggle, they got Rivers and a draft pick from the Giants that turned out to be Shawn Merriman. Giants have two Super Bowl rings since then because they are just a better organization.
jff is a 17ing badass and a freak athlete...when you invite jff, you take the good with the bad and its no secret that jff has some baggage. not sure where you are getting where i believe its the mannings fault....i have not alluded to that in any way, merely pointed out the fact that the mannings dont have a leg to stand on when it comes to "doing it the right way". what they did to san diego was bush league and always will be and imo, its utter chickenshit. its irrelevant to my argument who is bigger than who...just dont act all surprised when the most notorious party animal in all of college sports (who is still only 19) acts like a rockstar when invited some camp. jff is about a big of a celebrity as you can get in amateur sports...he can do whatever the 17 he wants and doesnt have to live up to anybodys preconceived expectations just because he plays a particular position and won an award. the idea that he should be held to a higher standard because he won the heisman is laughable. ideally, that honor would be reciprocated in his actions, but this is not an ideal world and jff clearly has different priorities than you or i.
i am serious. i have a son and one of the things i will teach my son is to stand on his own two feet. i will be there to support him and guide him through critical decisions, but i sure as hell wont interfere (read negotiate on his behalf to not go to the team that drafted him #1 overall) when my son is a grown *** man (read eli) and can make his own decisions.
its utterly ridiculous that you think jff should halt being himself to pretend to be some person that he is not just because he won the heisman. if good character is a part of the heisman decision, jff hasnt deviated from his pre-heisman antics in any way. its not like he was some choir boy prior to the heisman. 30 seconds on google will show pics of him partying, dressing as scooby do with dime pieces on his arm, and smashing ***....all of which occurred prior to him winning the heisman. dont give me that ********. sure, it would be nice that someone act respectfully, but that is an expectation we have as being normal. normal to jff is not the same normal for us. he doesnt owe anything to the mannings no more than i do or you for that matter...its a personal decision if jff wants to dishonor a commitment. im not defending the actual decision, rather the right to make that decision. hes a grown *** man and can do whatever he wants, but he must suffer the consequences of those decisions. this attention makes about as much sense as criticizing a rapist or murderer for raping or murdering. they went out of the box of what is widely considered socially acceptable, and thus must pay the consequences, but its still a personal decision that they must live with. is that a huge stretch from jff to murderers? sure, but my point is jff is a man, and can do whatever he wants regardless of what you or i think about it. it doesnt make it right, but arguing over what is proper for jff to do in that situation and knowing his history doesnt exactly go hand-in-hand. "values" of a heisman winner has no substance whatsoever. this isnt the 1940's. the vast majority of heisman contenders do things i would consider extremely nefarious, yet they are god's because they can run fast, throw hard, etc. dont give me this higher standard ********. they are kids that dont even know who they really are at this point and have a lifetime of bad decisions ahead of them. hopefully, most learn from those bad decisions, but lets not act like your average superstar college football player is living in the real world and make nothing but rational decisions.
my issue with the mannings is the fact that eli didnt "honor" the organization that drafted him. archie and eli have both been quoted as saying that they would refuse to play for san diego if SD infact drafted him. in essence, the mannings think they are bigger than the system and the team that drafted them. the deviated from a long-lived precident and is a black eye on the entire immediate family. yet, because of their greatness on the field, everybody is willing to sweep it under the rug and nobody talks about it. see the double standard here? if eli can void the draft rights of a nfl organization (and largely challenge the system that has been in place for nearly 100 years), jff can opt out of his commitment. both eli/archie had the perogative to make that decision, same as manziel had the perogative to make his. the mannings criticism of how manziel handled some meaningless football camp reeks of hypocrisy when you juxtapose it to what they have done to an entire nfl organization and the championship potential of a city and supporting population of 1.3 million people.
the fact that both eli and archie have been quoted as saying they would refuse to play for san diego refutes this perversion of the truth.
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Eli-Manning-s-rebel-moment-in-draft-long-forgotten-2711989.php
the claim that the fault was not the mannings is easily refutable. the mannings straight up refused to play for san diego (see nfl video below).....eli wouldnt play for em and they had to look elsewhere. doesnt sound like they didnt want him....sounds like he refused to play for them. but then you could get into the whole "chicken, egg" argument. looks like the mannings used their clout to get a better team. if you would link some info on your claims, i wouldnt mind reading into it, but 5 minutes of googling didnt bring up any support. i dont think it was a tactfully incorrect move, clearly, eli has found his groove, but it wasnt exactly the most honorable engagement.
I don't blame Archie and Eli for manipulating the draft ONE BIT
Archie played for a horrible franchise when he was with the Saints. If Archie had gone anywhere else, he'd have been a first round hall of famer. If anything, I sort of criticize Archie for not going up to John Mecom and demanding that he get him an offensive line to block for him and someone who could coach their way out of a paper bag, or he'd quit...in the 1970's this wasn't done, but Manning was probably the one person who could've pulled this off. Archie couldn't or wouldn't do this as a player, but he could certainly do it as a father of two of the best QB's in NFL history....he got both his sons playing with competent franchises with excellent front offices, and it's paid off for them (Peyton learned enough from Pops to be able to pick a good franchise on his own).
Archie played for a horrible franchise when he was with the Saints. If Archie had gone anywhere else, he'd have been a first round hall of famer. If anything, I sort of criticize Archie for not going up to John Mecom and demanding that he get him an offensive line to block for him and someone who could coach their way out of a paper bag, or he'd quit...in the 1970's this wasn't done, but Manning was probably the one person who could've pulled this off. Archie couldn't or wouldn't do this as a player, but he could certainly do it as a father of two of the best QB's in NFL history....he got both his sons playing with competent franchises with excellent front offices, and it's paid off for them (Peyton learned enough from Pops to be able to pick a good franchise on his own).
How exatly
is the idea that an SEC quarterback should be disciplined and more mature than Joe Blow in Lamda Alpha Sigma blaaah, again?
is the idea that an SEC quarterback should be disciplined and more mature than Joe Blow in Lamda Alpha Sigma blaaah, again?
i agree that it was the best career move to avoid san diego...obviously, it worked out for them, but to buck the system like that and refusing to play for a team that drafts you because your last name and daddy afford you the leverage to do it, is chickenshit and at times like this, i think 1) jff is a grown man and can do whatever he wants 2) i dont feel an ounce of sympathy for the mannings based on prior draft antics. they might be the best people in the world, but the *** kissing by the average state fan that doesnt know them is a little perplexing (if you know them personally and are defending them because you know how they are, i have no problem with this). archie and the mannings are no friends of mississippi state from most accounts....hell, im a saints fan, but ill never forget how eli's draft was handled.
What they did to San Diego was "bush league"? They ***** lapped San Diego, and now Eli is a 2 time Super Bowl MVP at one of the most storied, popular franchises in NFL history. Get that **** out of here. The Mannings "think they're bigger than the system"? Seems to me they got exactly what they wanted. Maybe they are
Good god.
You, some other posters, and some media need to check yourselves if you really wanna tickle this guy's balls this bad just because he's a damn good football player. He's a 17up. A 17up who is damn good at football, but if he keeps acting like a spoiled little ******** he's going to ruin his professional career before it even gets started.
You, some other posters, and some media need to check yourselves if you really wanna tickle this guy's balls this bad just because he's a damn good football player. He's a 17up. A 17up who is damn good at football, but if he keeps acting like a spoiled little ******** he's going to ruin his professional career before it even gets started.
yeah, well, thats like....your opinion man. i gave mine and reasons why i thought this is not a big deal and further alluded to the fact that the mannings shouldnt be standing on some soapbox about what is right and wrong. he might be a 17up, so what?....im not defending what he does off the field, simply pointing out the hypocrisy. its his prerogative to do whatever he wants and not have a bunch of anonymous nobodys jumping on him every time he pulls another stunt. i wish the kid would find Jesus...i truly do, but when you can do anything you want with few repercussions this is what you get. what is more shocking, the fact that a 19 year old acts like a 19 year old, or the collective "we" put this guy on some platform by awarding him the greatest honor in collegiate football knowing this is exactly the type person he is? i for one am NOT shocked and horrified because this is exactly what jff has always done. again, if he wants to screw up his career, thats fine...its not like it hasnt been done before, but from where i come from, hanging out with dimes all day, partying on bourbon, and sticking it to the man makes you a boss, not a "spoiled little ********", but gimme a break, im from jackson. most of us dont know any better.
Revisionist history? or just a liar?
Neither is the case. I saw a this about a year ago (I forget where) and was floored to hear it. I had always thought that they just pulled an Elway.
Sure, I heard the same stories you guys did and have no doubt that the Archie or whoever said that Eli would be a better fit with Giants and all that. I don't doubt the article at all.
But didn't you ever wonder if there was a reason for that behavior? I did and when I heard that I thought, "Well, that would explain it."
I don't know the Mannings at all and I have no clue if they are full of class or full of ****. I just don't believe you know the whole story of why some things go down.
Neither is the case. I saw a this about a year ago (I forget where) and was floored to hear it. I had always thought that they just pulled an Elway.
Sure, I heard the same stories you guys did and have no doubt that the Archie or whoever said that Eli would be a better fit with Giants and all that. I don't doubt the article at all.
But didn't you ever wonder if there was a reason for that behavior? I did and when I heard that I thought, "Well, that would explain it."
I don't know the Mannings at all and I have no clue if they are full of class or full of ****. I just don't believe you know the whole story of why some things go down.
well, im sure you had innocent intent, but until i see a substantial and credible source give your version of the story, ill continue to believe the story plastered all over the internet and from my distant memory. and archie did much, much more than say he felt like ny was a better fit. you seem to be quite "educated" in your version of the story with details on how long eli was spurned, who he was supposed to meet with, how many times he innocently was rejected, i just find it interesting the source details seem so fuzzy all of the sudden, so dont act like im the idiot for some crackpot theory. its hard to believe you can recall such detail about what happened, yet struggle to recall your source. im not trying to be a dick, but when you come with a story like that, you gotta come with more info than that...some busted-*** link to the bleacher report would do nicely. its tin-foil hat 101.
and rebfan, mannings ***** slapped sd and won two super bowls, jff skipped going to some lame *** passing camp and smashed on bourbon till 4 am with girls i can only dream about. sounds like both did things their own way regardless of consequences or pr and in both cases, it sounds like it worked out....which is my point and a decision they are free to make, but hypocricy comes out when the archie manning complains because manziel ***** slapped him and his hitler youth passing camp. clearly, that family has no respect for procedure, so why do they get upset when it bites them in the ***?
and rebfan, mannings ***** slapped sd and won two super bowls, jff skipped going to some lame *** passing camp and smashed on bourbon till 4 am with girls i can only dream about. sounds like both did things their own way regardless of consequences or pr and in both cases, it sounds like it worked out....which is my point and a decision they are free to make, but hypocricy comes out when the archie manning complains because manziel ***** slapped him and his hitler youth passing camp. clearly, that family has no respect for procedure, so why do they get upset when it bites them in the ***?
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