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[KingLando]

You consider Nebraska to be a doormat? That comment tells me all I need to know about the quality of the rest of your post. Besides what coach in their right mind would honor and try to emulate the winningest coach in college football history? By the way, do you think the posters and fans suffering from Franklin Derangement Syndrome

Joe doesn’t need vindicating except in the minds of the clueless.

Nebraska is not a very good football team. They're poorly coached and lack talent. Their history doesn't alter the present

Paterno doesn't need vindicated yet our base continually tries to do so which is why more than a decade later it's still a story. Had we let it die, the clueless people that still attack him would be far less. I'd wager if you did a national poll over half would say Paterno failed to do what was necessary and even more would say he put football over the alleged victims but that belief is due to the actions of our base...as well as wrong.

 

[rigi19040]

The problem is if Kraft hires a guy that the boosters are not all in on. That could create issues. I guess if he starts winning they jump on board but he won't have much margin for error.

Irrelevant.

If Kraft hires a guy the boosters love and he loses the first two games the boosters will flip just as fast.

 

[KingLando]

What idiot tells you they have inside info the AD is interviewing a mystery Pa coach but won't name the actual coach. When the inside information is the same speculation on 10 other Boards it is not inside information. It is pure speculation. Once the insider gets to 10+ guesses he loses credibility.

I'm sorry when did my info change. Unlike everyone else I've said the same thing throughout. I've acknowledged there's no accurate info on the mystery coach. It's all speculation. Nothing you said in this reply has anything to do with my comment.

 

[Efejle]

It better not be Kingsbury or I will go hysterical . Losing record in both NFL and at Texas Tech as a head coach

 

[rigi19040]

And not that I give a f what those outside PSU fan base have to say, but if you look at comments in any articles that mention Smith and Tues to Paterno, the comments related to Paterno as still very nasty. Most of those people are trolls or f wads, but still show that many feel Paterno is still a villain.

F our BOT for creating that narrative.

Maybe you missed the memo but outside of psu most fans did not like Paterno from the start. Do you think Pitt would like Paterno if you were on the bot?

 

[KingLando]

It better not be Kingsbury or I will go hysterical . Losing record in both NFL and at Texas Tech as a head coach

Better than Smith but not ideal

 

[rigi19040]

You consider Nebraska to be a doormat? That comment tells me all I need to know about the quality of the rest of your post. Besides what coach in their right mind would honor and try to emulate the winningest coach in college football history? By the way, do you think the posters and fans suffering from Franklin Derangement Syndrome

Joe doesn’t need vindicating except in the minds of the clueless.

Even Nebraska thinks Nebraska is a doormat. Many of their fans want to fire rhule. Some are even calling him a snake oil salesman. Lol. They think this years schedule is the easiest schedule they will ever have and they don't think they are getting to 8 wins. It is like psu schedule schedule minus Oregon and Ohio state.

 

[rigi19040]

There’s a very good reason for that….the 80’s were AWESOME!

40 years ago. How about 95-2012?

 

[WVilleLion23]

Maybe you missed the memo but outside of psu most fans did not like Paterno from the start. Do you think Pitt would like Paterno if you were on the bot?

Huh? What does Pitt have to do with my comment?

 

[KingLando]

Huh? What does Pitt have to do with my comment?

You said you don't care about other fan bases which is obviously untrue...pretty sure that's their point.

 

[rigi19040]

Many former players help recruit around the entire country because they live across the land. They recognize top talent and in their local areas and communicate and turn on PSU staff of potential recruits. The majority of former PSU alumni players, many who played in the NFL are supporting Terry as coach. Some out of state coach who knows nothing about our culture and tradition will have a hard time trying to take advantage of those relationships. I am about at the point where if Terry is not the new coach I will probably not follow the team after 60 years. To hold anything against Terry for his respect of JoPa is absolutely effin ridiculous.

Many former players help recruit around the entire country because they live across the land. They recognize top talent and in their local areas and communicate and turn on PSU staff of potential recruits. The majority of former PSU alumni players, many who played in the NFL are supporting Terry as coach. Some out of state coach who knows nothing about our culture and tradition will have a hard time trying to take advantage of those relationships. I am about at the point where if Terry is not the new coach I will probably not follow the team after 60 years. To hold anything against Terry for his respect of JoPa is absolutely effin ridiculous.

Did that help PsU beat Oregon or Ohio state?

If you want a recruiter then you should have stuck with franklin. The fans want a game day coach and that probably isn't terry.

 

[Ram20]

Tengwall is all about clicks, not substance.

I dont feel that way, but to each their own.

 

[rigi19040]

They were awful against Iowa...people wanted to run Grubj out if town
Indiana was vintage Franklin. Lost a game he should have won.

Except smith coached the Indiana game and now many want to hire him.

 

[KingLando]

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Except smith coached the Indiana game and now many want to hire him.

Many want to hire him because "he's a Penn Stater" not because he proved anything

 

[Nothing Special]

He doesn’t like to recruit.

Agree. I said in the other thread that I wasn't a fan. I just wanted to play the guessing game.

 

[PSUHarry]

This isn't directed at you but I don't understand this argument
He's either a candidate or he is. Beating or losing to Auburn doesn't change anything.

There’s a bigger body of work to consider.

 

[PSUHarry]

And if Bama loses to Auburn, how different is he from Franklin? I dont get why hes even in the running. Seems kind of bland to me.

Research his body of work.

 

[Nitt1300]

Many former players help recruit around the entire country because they live across the land. They recognize top talent and in their local areas and communicate and turn on PSU staff of potential recruits. The majority of former PSU alumni players, many who played in the NFL are supporting Terry as coach. Some out of state coach who knows nothing about our culture and tradition will have a hard time trying to take advantage of those relationships. I am about at the point where if Terry is not the new coach I will probably not follow the team after 60 years. To hold anything against Terry for his respect of JoPa is absolutely effin ridiculous.

It's been 40 years since we won a Natty- we need new blood

 

[PSUHarry]

Yes, because he was so good at developing wide receivers and QB’s.

You cant argue his overall development and the number of players he got to the NFL.

 

[PSUHarry]

He is overrated as a recruiter but he wasn't a great talent developer...but more than that...he struggled to put players in a position to have success and reach their potential

You are just wrong here. Look at the guys who he has put in the NFL.

 

[KingLando]

You are just wrong here. Look at the guys who he has put in the NFL.

Look at the guys who were average in college that have gone to another level in the pros. Does he get credit for Tinsley? Why wasn't Parker Washington elite here? Parker has proven that he was drafted too low which was largely a result of us not using him correctly. Theo Johnson is infinitely better in the NFL. Why was he never to focus. Explain what Drew wasn't in a pro style offense...explain why Kaytron wasn't RB1...Franklin did not put his players in the best position. See DeLuca being overexposed. People think I hate Singleton...I dont. I hate that we misused him for his entire career.

 

[PSUHarry]

What idiot tells you they have inside info the AD is interviewing a mystery Pa coach but won't name the actual coach. When the inside information is the same speculation on 10 other Boards it is not inside information. It is pure speculation. Once the insider gets to 10+ guesses he loses credibility.

Well Kraft is running a very tight search in a very tight circle of colleagues. Some of the candidates do not have want their name and info outted early in this process. He has to respect that. One of the reasons why its very difficult to understand who has actually interviewed and to what depth.

Whether he gets his guy or not remains to be seen but you have to respect his process. He knows the impact on other searches by other teams if word gets out.

 

[PSUHarry]

Look at the guys who were average in college that have gone to another level in the pros. Does he get credit for Tinsley? Why wasn't Parker Washington elite here? Parker has proven that he was drafted too low which was largely a result of us not using him correctly. Theo Johnson is infinitely better in the NFL. Why was he never to focus. Explain what Drew wasn't in a pro style offense...explain why Kaytron wasn't RB1...Franklin did not put his players in the best position. See DeLuca being overexposed. People think I hate Singleton...I dont. I hate that we misused him for his entire career.

Get your facts straight. PW entered the draft early bcz he developed in college.

Kaytron wasn’t RB1 last year and everything was fine.
We don’t have a choice in DeLuca. LB injuries and a recruit leaving due to legal reasons put us in a jam at that position. Kobe King left early as well.

Fair point on Allar.

Theo was good here. Where do you think he learned to block and run routes?

Did Dotson, Tinsley, Giesicki, Warren , Abdul Carter, Parsons, Brisker, McGovern, Jai’yr Brown, Chop Robinson etc develop here for the Pros?

 

[KingLando]

Get your facts straight. PW entered the draft early bcz he developed in college.

Kaytron wasn’t RB1 last year and everything was fine.
We don’t have a choice in DeLuca. LB injuries and a recruit leaving due to legal reasons put us in a jam at that position. Kobe King left early as well.

Fair point on Allar.

Theo was good here. Where do you think he learned to block and run routes?

Did Dotson, Tinsley, Giesicki, Warren , Abdul Carter, Parsons, Brisker, McGovern, Jai’yr Brown, Chop Robinson etc develop here for the Pros?

Parker wasn't developed in college which is why he fell in the draft. Franklin also incorrectly told him he should have came back--another selfish move by James when anyone with a brain knew Parker needed to leave.
Everything wasn't fine last year--we had concerns with the offense all year and struggled in big games. Kaytron should have always been the lead back
There were options--why did he not do a better job recruiting LBs, why didn't he add another one in the porter as many of us claimed was a priority?
Many of them were drafted solely on talent and developed in the NFL. Look at how badly Carter was misused until his final season? Brown wasn't the star here he should have been. Sam with Brisker. Gisicki also had a huge issue with drops while here (plus couldn't block at all) which were improved (still not great) at the nex level
Programs like Penn State will always get guys to the next level because they have talent--the issue with Franklin was he rarely put guys in a position to succeed.
Even Saquon wasn't used correctly. Let's hand the ball to him standing still 90% of the time. Imagine what a pro style offense could have looked like with Barkley while he was here.

 

[WestSideLion]

Well Kraft is running a very tight search in a very tight circle of colleagues. Some of the candidates do not have want their name and info outted early in this process. He has to respect that. One of the reasons why its very difficult to understand who has actually interviewed and to what depth.

Whether he gets his guy or not remains to be seen but you have to respect his process. He knows the impact on other searches by other teams if word gets out.

I’ve gained a lot of respect for Kraft because of how he’s operated. It’s probably safe to also say that the serious candidates aren’t Sexton clients or there’d be way more leaks in the media.

I think the hire is at another program and wants to avoid distractions until the season ends this weekend.

 

[PSUHarry]

Parker wasn't developed in college which is why he fell in the draft. Franklin also incorrectly told him he should have came back--another selfish move by James when anyone with a brain knew Parker needed to leave.
Everything wasn't fine last year--we had concerns with the offense all year and struggled in big games. Kaytron should have always been the lead back
There were options--why did he not do a better job recruiting LBs, why didn't he add another one in the porter as many of us claimed was a priority?
Many of them were drafted solely on talent and developed in the NFL. Look at how badly Carter was misused until his final season? Brown wasn't the star here he should have been. Sam with Brisker. Gisicki also had a huge issue with drops while here (plus couldn't block at all) which were improved (still not great) at the nex level
Programs like Penn State will always get guys to the next level because they have talent--the issue with Franklin was he rarely put guys in a position to succeed.
Even Saquon wasn't used correctly. Let's hand the ball to him standing still 90% of the time. Imagine what a pro style offense could have looked like with Barkley while he was here.

Dude you’re a joke. No one takes you seriously here as your thoughts are so counter to the facts.

 

[Yogiman71]

It's been 40 years since we won a Natty- we need new blood

New blood has not worked for at least 30 teams in D1, so forget about it !

 

[KingLando]

Dude you’re a joke. No one takes you seriously here as your thoughts are so counter to the facts.

These attacks simply occur because you can't debate it and you know I'm right. It's okay--someone you'll figure things out.

 

[Midnighter]

Getting down to brass tacks folks…once one falls, they’re all gonna fall…

 

[Midnighter]

 

[KingLando]

Getting down to brass tacks folks…once one falls, they’re all gonna fall…

Yeah, so Kiffin is likely LSU bound unless he's truly smart enough to realize life is easier in the Big Ten

 

[Wilbury]

Yeah, so Kiffin is likely LSU bound unless he's truly smart enough to realize life is easier in the Big Ten

you said he's not a target?

 

[KingLando]

you said he's not a target?

I've said we don't know who the mystery guy is. I still believe it's Hartline's job unless Meyer says yes. I also believe the mystery guy is a smokescreen but I can't ignore the possibility.
I think Kiffin to LSU is a done deal personally

 

[Rudy4526]

I've said we don't know who the mystery guy is. I still believe it's Hartline's job unless Meyer says yes. I also believe the mystery guy is a smokescreen but I can't ignore the possibility.
I think Kiffin to LSU is a done deal personally

I could see Meyer. Big name, not currently coaching, announce after the season, also not wanting it out till after the season. DeBoer is in playoffs.

 

[Nitt1300]

This whole situation makes me wonder if the biggest source of BS on the planet is this board or Twitter?

 

[WDLion]

Yeah, so Kiffin is likely LSU bound unless he's truly smart enough to realize life is easier in the Big Ten

This whole situation makes me wonder if the biggest source of BS on the planet is this board or Twitter?

 

[Midnighter]

This whole situation makes me wonder if the biggest source of BS on the planet is this board or Twitter?

It’s Twitter. By miles and miles….

 

[KingLando]

This whole situation makes me wonder if the biggest source of BS on the planet is this board or Twitter?

The issue is--every time any coach gets an extension the media is like "Penn State wanted Rhule", "Florida and Penn State wanted Lea"--none of that is true. Cignetti didn't get an extension because we were chasing him--he got one because he earned it.

 

[ConcealedCarry]

My guess is that most of them have virtually no opinion of Joe since they aren’t old enough to remember him. And of the remainder, I’d say they’re as likely to have a negative opinion as a positive one due to the scandal.

I think you can definitely make the case that some alumni are letting Terry’s ties to Joe sway them too much. But not today’s students. They chanted his name because he was giving them good fun football to watch again.

Some here talk about Joe Paterno as if he is a poison? It is accurate that you can't live life in the rear view mirror but reverence and respect are critical to Penn State football going forward. It is in our DNA. Like it or not, Paterno put the Penn State football program on the map in the 1970's and 80's. Prior to that, PSU was just a eastern regional football team. One of the things that irked me about Franklin in the 12 years he was coaching is that he NEVER publicly acknowledged Joe's major accomplishments. Franklin lived in the castle that Joe built and never once said thank you.

 

[PSUHarry]

These attacks simply occur because you can't debate it and you know I'm right. It's okay--someone you'll figure things out.

Yeah I’m watching a lot of people come to your defense.