What a relief. PSU's next head coach can't be follically challenged. All good football coaches have at least some hair on their heads.
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What a relief. PSU's next head coach can't be follically challenged. All good football coaches have at least some hair on their heads.
Disagree. Indiana moved with urgency within days of the Cignetti to PSU rumors.
This entire thread is completely meaningless.
I don't need or want anyone to--I'm not child that needs defending
We were never chasing Cignetti--never
And there really weren't even rumors
I do recall Franklin at his inaugural presser using the phrase, "the GREAT Joe Paterno," but I believe that was the last time he ever acknowledged Joe. I always suspected Franklin's bosses yanked his chain and told him to be quiet on that front. I also recall that Franklin pointed out he tried out for Penn State and admitted he "wasn't good enough." I always felt he was trying too hard to prove that he was "good enough" for Penn State.
Why does every Head Coach at Penn State for the rest of eternity need to pay homage to him? You really believe the next coach needs to get up on the podium and give the Paterno family their flowers?
Hes really rubbed me the wrong way honestly. I didn't like the butto, the signs, the whole " this is my locker room" crap. Need to move away from this narrative.
Certainly not. What we're saying is it's unacceptable to scrub our history which includes Joe's time here. That's not done anywhere else. And by all accounts from lettermen I know Franklin made it seem like Penn State football started in 2014. For many and rightfully so - that's unacceptable.
Because it’s part of our “tradition” and “culture” and PSU is “unique” to every other program.
This is such an antiquated argument. Imagine Nick Saban constantly crediting Bear Bryant for all of his accomplishments. Referring to Tuscaloosa as the Castle that Bear Bryant built, it’s just absurd. Forcing a program to live under the specter of the ghost of dead coach then calling it tradition is just madness. Serious programs don’t have this problem and it’s probably why they’re winning National titles and we aren’t.
No, because Franklin wasn’t a mentor to young men. Paterno was the only coach who ever positively influenced his players.
The attacks happen because you make disrespectful comments like "anyone with a brain has to agree"...thinking Parker Washington leaving early was a mistake since he clearly wasn't going to be drafted highly (went in the 6th round) and showed talent that could have translated to going much higher is a very reasonable position to take. Disagreeing with you on certain issues doesn't make someone else lack intelligence. Honestly, I put you on ignore for my last year on the Rivals board because it was too much (and you were only the second person I ever ignored).
And doubling down with this cocky attitude of "you are attacking me because I'm so much smarter...you'll figure it out" just adds to the insufferable nature that you come across with too often.
I tend to believe this. The timing of it was more likely his agent conjuring a rumor to their AD in order to earn himself a little extra bonus.
His goal is to be a bigger moron than Chumboshithead.. he has got work to do to get to that level of stupid! But give him credit… he is trying!
As with everything, there is a middle ground. The next coach should be willing to embrace our past, but shouldn't let it drive him. When Coach Franklin was hired at Virginia Tech, he talked about Frank Beamer, Bud Foster, etc. I'd find it weird if the new coach didn't in his intro press conference say something along the lines of "I hope we continue to build on the rich tradition of those before me...Joe Paterno delivered Championships to Penn State, and I plan to find the right staff and players to get us back to that elite level".
Completely rationale, but the issue is, it will never be enough for a significant portion of the fanbase.
Additionally if the new coach thanks both Franklin and Paterno in the same breather there will be an irrational response that they should never be uttered in the same sentence together.
You don't have to be drafted early to make that decision. That's a mentality that is LONG outdated. The NFL is a second contract league--you get to it as early as possible. Not comprehending that is a problem and a sign of a lack of intelligence.
I don't know why you or others think telling me you placed me on ignore is supposed to bother me--that's a you problem. It's an option you have--use it if you want. When you or someone mention it then you're just looking for attention.
Again, call me insufferable--attack me all you want--you can ignore. None of that bothers me. I'm not here to placate to adults--I'm here to discuss the sport. Period.
Also, there's lots of things we can disagree on that doesn't make either person stupid--when to declare for the draft isn't one of them.
All due respect, this is disingenuous. There was plenty of respect shown to Paterno; what was not done is work incessantly to rehabilitate his image after the Sandusky scandal. This was/is not the responsibility of the university to do this. That is the family's job and that of his friends/players. James hired past Paterno players on his staff and promoted them to vital positions; so there was no conscious decision to sever ties to the past. Franklin, and I am neutral with respect to James, handled the Paterno legacy as best he could. No, he did not wear pins documenting Paterno's wins but why would a coach a decade and more removed do something so tone deaf? You are in a losing season, you have no recruits left and on the thresh hold of losing your roster, and you are promoting a dead coach's record? Really? Why? Unless it was calculated for your own benefit, which is hardly respect shown to Paterno.
I'm not saying it to draw attention...I'm telling it you because I'm hoping you might take a minute to reflect and have a little bit of self-awareness as to how you come across on these boards. If others started ignoring me because I was coming across as I huge jerk, then I'd want to know it, and I'd hope that I'd take that into consideration with my future posts.
As I stated before, regardless of what the future coach does or says, it will never be good enough for a large portion of the fanbase.
And that's how we're different apparently
I don't let others being easily offended impact anything I do. You're an adult--if you don't like my approach then use the option available you. I'm not losing anything. This is merely a message board about football.
Yep, I guess we are different. I try to present myself the same online as I do in real life. And both online and real life, I try to show respect for others, not talk down to them, and generally present myself as a good person. This is a community of Penn State fans/alums, many of which know each other (or have met through this board), that come to talk about Penn State football but also connect on a wide range of non-Penn State football topics.
Honestly, your attitude about it all mirrors that of way too many that have joined as of late (or that have been here for years). Complete lack of respect, personal attacks, general nonsense posts, etc. It didn't used to be like this. It appears that @Tom McAndrew does the moderation all alone, and things have just really gone downhill. It's unfortunately hitting the point where I question why I even bother coming here since it's turning into such a cesspool in many threads. It's not about others being "easily offended"...it's about having respect for other Penn State fans (and humans in general), and respecting that a difference of opinion doesn't determine one's intelligence.
I was being sarcastic. I think most of Franklin’s players would say he was a great mentor to them.
Interesting that I'm somehow your target here but that's fine.
Read other threads--I talk about all kinds of things--generally respectfully but you're simply looking for reasons to be insulted here. And that's your choice.
I will speak for myself here. He certainly wouldn’t be my first choice. But what he has proven to me is that he can take a team that died on the vine with a team and coaching staff that seemed to be completely aimless and focused them to play a specific type of football. For me personally, that’s not nothing. Franklin left this team completely in the *******, he at least got the team back to competing.
You’re not here to discuss…you’re here to pontificate on how much smarter you are than everyone else.
That's fair but, JMO, that's not proving his qualified or the right man for the job. He still hasn't beat a decent team.
See what Iowa's doing to Nebraska
There would be no reason to wait until after the season for Meyer.