More Sherrill news for Meo per Veazey...

[Coach34]

just like I told you 17'ing jackass:

"<font face="Georgia" size="2">But what was Sherrill doing at Friday's practice? Well, he was invited by Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen. And while Sherrill had never met Mullen before he was hired Dec. 10, he's come to form a relationship with him."

This is so very true that Jackie said-

""What Dan is doing is very, very simple," Sherrill said Friday. "He understands that he's got to learn what Mississippi State is. Mississippi State's not Florida. It's not Alabama. Mississippi State is Mississippi State. What strengths it has. How the players - and how they were able to win in the past. He's doing a good job with that. He's bringing former players back, making them feel welcome"

and then the jab at Crooms:

"99.9 percent of the coaches in the country would not have the confidence to bring back one of the former coaches like myself, just like the next coach at a lot of places are not going to bring back a former head coach and ask them to talk to the players"

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[Coach34]

just like I told you 17'ing jackass:

"<font face="Georgia" size="2">But what was Sherrill doing at Friday's practice? Well, he was invited by Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen. And while Sherrill had never met Mullen before he was hired Dec. 10, he's come to form a relationship with him."

This is so very true that Jackie said-

""What Dan is doing is very, very simple," Sherrill said Friday. "He understands that he's got to learn what Mississippi State is. Mississippi State's not Florida. It's not Alabama. Mississippi State is Mississippi State. What strengths it has. How the players - and how they were able to win in the past. He's doing a good job with that. He's bringing former players back, making them feel welcome"

and then the jab at Crooms:

"99.9 percent of the coaches in the country would not have the confidence to bring back one of the former coaches like myself, just like the next coach at a lot of places are not going to bring back a former head coach and ask them to talk to the players"

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[Coach34]

just like I told you 17'ing jackass:

"<font face="Georgia" size="2">But what was Sherrill doing at Friday's practice? Well, he was invited by Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen. And while Sherrill had never met Mullen before he was hired Dec. 10, he's come to form a relationship with him."

This is so very true that Jackie said-

""What Dan is doing is very, very simple," Sherrill said Friday. "He understands that he's got to learn what Mississippi State is. Mississippi State's not Florida. It's not Alabama. Mississippi State is Mississippi State. What strengths it has. How the players - and how they were able to win in the past. He's doing a good job with that. He's bringing former players back, making them feel welcome"

and then the jab at Crooms:

"99.9 percent of the coaches in the country would not have the confidence to bring back one of the former coaches like myself, just like the next coach at a lot of places are not going to bring back a former head coach and ask them to talk to the players"

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[dawgstudent]

I didn't want Sherrill anywhere near campus. Time has healed the wounds and I appreciate what he did for Mississippi State. If I was Croom, I would not have asked him back either and I am pretty sure a majority of the fanbase would agree.

 

[rebelrouseri]

been stupid to bring Jackie back. He was waiting on sanctions for a time too.

 

[jmbeck]

...to come to a point where I want Croom back on campus.

I agree, I didn't want Jackie associated with the program during Croom, but now I'm kind of glad to see him around. Jackie was successful in a lot of places.

In fact, Jackie being back is the way I wish Polk would have came back after McMahon, as a face. Then I'd have simply laughed at Polk's crazy *** NCAA talk, sort of like I do with Jackie's dumbass lawsuit. I wish like hell it would change some things, but it won't. It's simply going to make two lawyers rich.

 

[MSUCostanza]

Sherrill is poison.

 

[DawgNsuds]

been stupid to bring Jackie back. He was waiting on sanctions for a time too.

Croom was our sanctions

 

[thelaw]

a huge difference in having Sherrill back now, years after he was hc versus the idea of having him back (around his former players at the time) with a new coach trying for a new (albeit terrible) direction.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[Shmuley]

will be quick to invite the surviving Somali brigand on board any time soon? Crooms was our very own version of a somali pirate. He pirated the SS MBanner, drained it of life and usefulness, then ransomed it for a cool 2 large. I'll be satisfied if that Fer never sets foot on campus again.

 

[cowbell9]

nm

 

[DerHntr]

in this instance he was right to not bring sherril in to see his own players with a new coach. it would have been completely stupid.

as for sherril being around, i personally don't like it. i know he won here. i know he had a fire about him that many loved. the problem for me is I want us going in a totally new direction. i understand that we can learn from those who were able to put a team together here but you would think that he could pick up the phone and call him rather than asking him to show up at practice. i just don't see the need to involve sherril much, if any, more than a few phone calls.

 

[BigMotherTucker]

sniper. The guy doesn't talk about it much but has told me that a person will disintegrate when hit with a 50 cal round.

 

[GloryDawg]

Our two best decades of football was obviously the 40's and 90's. I agree that JS should have stayed away while Croom was there but time has healed the bad vibes from JS last three years. I tend to only remember the good years. Croom manage to make that happen by giving us five years of crap. I think having him around now is a good thing. He was a winner and he loves Miss State football. I think that it is a positive. Heck he did something at Miss State that so few was ever able to do. Win.

 

[cowbell9]

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[dallasdog]

I am glad to see Jackie back on campus - I for naming a street for Jackie- he was the only coach i can remember do ever make us into any kind of winning era.

 

[DerHntr]

pebbles about the size of a quarter. it was a lot of fun.

 

[jack.sixpack]

anyone else think it was interesting that the 3 players that stood out to him the most were all three juco transfers in only their 3 week of practice?

 

[Toag Redloh]

and while I don't share your enthusiasm for wanting him gone, I do think it's good to somewhat have him involved on the outside looking in. Does he need to be at practice? No. Can Mullen learn SOME things from him? Yes, particularly JUCO recruiting techniques. Do I really want Sherrill advising Mullen consistently? Not really.

Sherrill has the same mentality about MSU that all our old fans/good ole boys/rest of the SEC do. Hard to win there, we're a nothing football school. Woe is us. Sherrill took that and ran with it, but **** that's just a temporary fix, he was just that good. I want someone who thinks outside the box and can develop a stronger overall program, who can make MSU football and the athletic department as a whole a more attractive product, and gain some new fans. Not just cater to the existing ones. I want to be progressive. Let Ole Miss do the old school stuff, they have the town/tradition for it. We don't.</p>

 

[Toag Redloh]

it's talent evaluation.

 

[was21]

between the lines, it's still always about Jackie...his remarkable ego will never be humbled. If Coach Mullen could consult with him in private about some things unique to Mississippi State that Jackie had learned and might be useful, it might be ok. I just don't think it's a great idea for Jackie to be before the cameras and in print with respect to State, but that's exactly what he would want...namely publicity. Unfortunately perception is reality and Jackie's perception in a lot of areas is not a positive one.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..Jackie Sherrill has earned the right to come & go as he pleases.

Anybody that can ***** slap Mississippi to the extent Jackie Sherrill did earns a life-time free pass in my book.

Plus, anybody that can ***** slap Alabama & Auburn the way Jackie did earns the respect of every MSU fan.

I don't care if Jackie Sherrill commits 5 "secondary violations"...he's good to go in my book.

 

[Dawgfan61]

...In fact, Jackie being back is the way I wish Polk would have came back after McMahon, as a face. Then I'd have simply laughed at Polk's crazy *** NCAA talk, sort of like I do with Jackie's dumbass lawsuit.

But for anybody who has ever had the misfortune of meeting Julie Gilbert and her husband face to face, believe you me Jackie is doing the world a greater service. She and her husband are the type of people if I told you the lengths at which they will go to show their dispise for all things MSU, you would call ******** without even thinking. Its so outrageous I would be accused of seeing black helicopters. Lets just say that I hope Jackie's lawsuit takes that ***** for everything she is worth. Reasonable Ole Miss fans would not want to spend any time with them. They really are that bad.

 

[DerHntr]

"Jackie Sherrill has earned the right to come & go as he pleases."

Does the same go for Polk?

 

[Agentdog]

Unfortunately perception is reality and Jackie's perception in a lot of areas is not a positive one

Yeah, I would have to agree with that. I enjoyed the 90s and Jackie as a HC. I defended the man plenty and think the last NCAA investigation turned up a bunch of nothing. But unfortunately, some people lump him in with coaches like Tarkanian. Mullen is a brand new coach. He does not need to be associated with those type of figures.

The Mullen era needs to be known as a new direction, something different than the past. Sherrill hanging around doesn't help build that perception. Call him every now and then, to get insight, find old players, but keep him out of the public eye and off the practice field.

 

[olemissbydamn]

..Jackie Sherrill has earned the right to come & go as he pleases.

Anybody that can ***** slap Mississippi to the extent Jackie Sherrill did earns a life-time free pass in my book.

Plus, anybody that can ***** slap Alabama & Auburn the way Jackie did earns the respect of every MSU fan.

I don't care if Jackie Sherrill commits 5 "secondary violations"...he's good to go in my book.

Is a combined 19-23 record against those teams "***** slapping"? I understand that it is better than any other previous coach, but come on.

I hope you keep him around your program. He has a knack for bringing unneeded negative attention with him (see the weekend news). Whether he deserves it or not is up for debate, but do you really need it right now?

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

... I hear Miss. State is about to fire Sly Croom. That could mean only one thing: National race riots! Make sure your nutjob conspiracy theory gear is up to snuff.</p>

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...do you think Ron Polk has earned the right to venture out of the UAB dugout?

Not unless he is trying to find the nearest restroom.

 

[Coach34]

I think its a great move on Mullen's part to embrace Jackie and use him as an advisor...here's why:

1. Jackie won here. If you go back in our history, only a couple of people can say that- and none of them stayed as long as Jackie did. He may have ended up with a .500 record due to the NCAA witch hunt, but even that is impressive when put up against his predecessors. Mullen gets to pick Jackie's brain to get advice on what worked here and what didnt. Mullen has his own ideas and goals, but getting input like he can get from Jackie is extremely helpful.

2. Excitement. Jackie infused alot of excitement into the program when he was here. He included the student body. He held football classes for women. Jackie made the HS coaches in the state feel important. Crooms didnt do anything of the sort to infuse excitement. Not a damn thing. Mullen is definitely learning from things Jackie did well there.

3. Jackie loves State. Goat is wrong in saying Jackie looked at State as a nobody. Jackie wanted to make State as big as anybody in the SEC. He felt we should be beating the Bama's, Auburn's, and Florida's. And we did. Crooms never looked at it that way. Jackie wanted stadium expansion and got it. New offices- he got it. I dont think I've seen Mullen ever talk about us being poor ol Missipi State. He knows that is no excuse.

I cant see anything but good things by involving Jackie as an advisor

 

[cowbell9]

I am willing to pay and I've been shooting since I was 9 years old.

 

[Toag Redloh]

but I don't necessarily think that's a smart thing to do.

Yes he won. I have no argument with that at all. And he for sure was exciting. That's why the Croom Era was so difficult for me, because I grew up during the Sherrill Era. I guess I thought, along with many others, that Croom would eventually change because we saw no light at the end of the tunnel. Duped by the cigar boys, you could say.

I don't know about number 3. Did he? Can you say that for certain? In hindsight, didn't Jackie take the job because he could get no other position? Did he not say "Mississippi State is not supposed to beat Texas"? Seemed Jackie was always looking over at Alabama too. He played his college ball there, not in Mississippi. Like I said earlier, it just seemed he had the old school thinking but also had a fire in his gut, probably put there by all the crap he'd been put through in coaching. I think he was that good of a coach. He wanted to prove he could whip the big boys from a little boy position. This is all just my outsider's take, don't read too much into it.

I like Mullen because he had no prior conceptions about MSU at all. At least not any hand's on.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...Croom had that gay *** women's clinic thing every year. Don' you remember Favre's wife speaking at it last year? Anyway, the point remains: Jackie = Excitement; Croom = No excitement.

 

[dawgstudent]

so if you are Croom in 2004, you invite Jackie back? I would say this season might have been the first one I would have invited him back.

 

[olemissbydamn]

... I hear Miss. State is about to fire Sly Croom. That could mean only one thing: National race riots! Make sure your nutjob conspiracy theory gear is up to snuff.</p>

Well, my actual comment (from how ever long ago it was that you archived it) was that you'll get as much negative press as postive press if you fired him. Did you get negative press? Some. Was it as bad as I thought it might be? No.

However it isn't nearly as incorrect as your proclamations of greatness for the Walrus. So if you want something to laugh about, check your own post from the Early Croom archives.

 

[Coach34]

but I also agree this is probably the first chance we have had to bring him back.

Crooms whole existance here was to get away from the prior regime and go a different direction. I just find it funny and very satisfying that Mullen is embracing Jackie and wanting to get the program back to some of those things that made us great in the 1990's. And I think because of that, Mullen is going to be much more sucessful.

The Spring Game is a perfect example- Crooms wanted as boring a Spring Game as he could possibly have. Jackie? He once had a 90 yr old man run for a TD in the Spring game. Mullen? Mullen has stated he'll play offensive lineman at CB before he will have a scoreless Spring Game....

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I have to agree with you that talking to Sherrill is not a bad idea. It's not like the man is setting up and office in our athletic department. And as you said, Jackie spent enough time here to be able to be able to share some good advice about the good and bad of being in this position.

Any of the you who feel like you got jilted or wronged by Jackie need to remember one thing. He pretty much lost his career as a coach over the NCAA witchhunt and the things that happened at the end of his MSU tenure. You had to endure losing seasons and Croom but he had to completely change his way of life.

I also liked his jab, "This isn't Florida, this isn't Alabama."

 

[jmbeck]

...then I'd assume her husband let her %$@# another dude to in effort to screw us....so no, can't say as I'd be surprised.

 

[LR1400]

A lot of what Mullen is doing parallels what Urban has done at various places, bringing in older players, coaches and embracing the tradition. You can read a lot of similar stories including the "Plan to Win" in the book Urban's Way. Good read.

 

[DerHntr]

you didn't really answer the question. i am assuming you are saying polk has not earned the right to come and go as he pleases at MSU. seems sort of funny considering you think jackie has. i think polk is one crazy old bastard but he surely did way more for MSU baseball than jackie ever did for MSU football.