Mountain Lion (UKRob73 is an idiot)
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The Cougar in TN wouldn't be emaciated if it is wild. It would be emaciated if it were tame and released.
A wild Cougar knows how to hunt, and there is more than enough deer in the area to maintain a healthy predator population.
They are slowly spreading into Missouri, Obion County Tn is a stones throw from MO. They will eventually move back into the state. The predators follow the food, and there are more Deer than rabbits now.
A wild Cougar knows how to hunt, and there is more than enough deer in the area to maintain a healthy predator population.
They are slowly spreading into Missouri, Obion County Tn is a stones throw from MO. They will eventually move back into the state. The predators follow the food, and there are more Deer than rabbits now.
Fish and wildlife suspected it may have been released, but ended their investigation because of the lack of evidence.
That's complete crap. If the chupacabra was in Lexington it would be in Cardinal Valley hunting its own kind.
Fish and wildlife has an agenda to not declare any lion in Kentucky a wild one if they can help it. Did they do a dna analysis to definitively see if it was wild or not? My quick research shows that they admitted that it's dna was traced to the Black Hills lion population and they simply then conveniently stated that they had " no evidence" that it had travelled here. Well of course not. But they could not say with certainty how it got here.
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http://mdc.mo.gov/discover-nature/w...-lion-reports/confirmed-mountain-lion-reports
Some look pretty healthy. Nice map of confirmed lions. None in boot heel. Current river keeps them happy.
There were no coyotes in EKy 30 yrs ago, now there's a lot,
I never saw deer on our property 25 yrs ago, now there's plenty.
My point is that in 25 yrs big cats my be here too, like the black bears that are now appearing regularly. Some were released but not all. They were a few in Martin County several years ago, before the FWD released them a few years back.
It would not surprise me If the FWD hasn't release some and won't admit it.
Ten years ago my neighbor had a black bear tear into his dog food container.
The bear had a red tag on its ear. They FWD hadn't reported releasing any bears in this area, but that tag didn't get there on its own.
I never saw deer on our property 25 yrs ago, now there's plenty.
My point is that in 25 yrs big cats my be here too, like the black bears that are now appearing regularly. Some were released but not all. They were a few in Martin County several years ago, before the FWD released them a few years back.
It would not surprise me If the FWD hasn't release some and won't admit it.
Ten years ago my neighbor had a black bear tear into his dog food container.
The bear had a red tag on its ear. They FWD hadn't reported releasing any bears in this area, but that tag didn't get there on its own.
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Dad spotted a big cat in the pasture field beside his house. This was about 15 yrs back. Some laughed at him saying it was a dog. He just smiled and said he knew the difference between a dog and a cat.
It was large dog sized, with a really long tail. He said he didn't know what kind of cat it was, but it was way bigger than any house cat he'd ever saw.
He didn't call it a mountain lion nor am I, it's was just an extremely large cat
It was large dog sized, with a really long tail. He said he didn't know what kind of cat it was, but it was way bigger than any house cat he'd ever saw.
He didn't call it a mountain lion nor am I, it's was just an extremely large cat
We had coyotes all around us. It's not that big of a stretch that we have coyotes. Mt lions on the other hand are 900 miles a way, big difference.
And we have deer because we stocked them.
Kydfw has never stocked bear,just more nonsense that the uninformed spread. They moved here from the states around us that had bears.
The red tag in the bears ear was one of two things, either a bear that was being studied, or most likely a nuisance bear. If bears become a nuisance, and become to acceptable to humans, kydfw traps them and relocates them. They ear tag them, and if it happens again they normally dispatch them.
http://fw.ky.gov/Education/Pages/Black-Bears-in-Kentucky.aspx
Here is the exact quote from the deputy commissioner from kydfw......"there is no evidence supporting this animal traveled that distance on its own, or even spent any length of time on the ground here. This was either a released pet or escaped captive lion".
Pretty definitive statement.
I also never said there was mountain lions here btw
You my also note that before the bridges were built crossing the Mississippi River there was no coyotes on the eastern side of the river. If those cats have been spotted in Missouri, they, like the Bears of Virginia have a short distance to travel to be in Ky.. Are the cats in Ky, don't know and really don't care, but if you think it's natural for the Bears to travel and not the cats, well you don't make sense.
You my also note that before the bridges were built crossing the Mississippi River there was no coyotes on the eastern side of the river. If those cats have been spotted in Missouri, they, like the Bears of Virginia have a short distance to travel to be in Ky.. Are the cats in Ky, don't know and really don't care, but if you think it's natural for the Bears to travel and not the cats, well you don't make sense.
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Hogwash. What would their possible agenda be?
I hunt with a handful of kydfw biologist. They all would love to discover a wild Mt lion here, just like they were when we got bears.
They have investigated 1000's of "Mt lion" reports over the years. The tracks were always canine or bobcat, the pictures were always bobcats, dogs, coyotes with the mange etc etc etc. Nothing has panned out from the 1000's of reports, that's the only reason for their skepticism, not an agenda. And the national fish and wildlife guys share the same opinion, what's their agenda?
And they think we will eventually get one, but when we do, it won't appear out of thin air. All the Mt lions that appeared in Missouri, Ill, Iowa etc, their travels were well documented, from county to county, state to state.
DNA testing also linked it to the black hills of South Dakota.
"It's absolutely possible this mountain lion traveled that distance on its own." Said John Kanta, regional wildlife manager for the South Dakota, Fish & Parks. "There is no doubt in my mind it could travel that distance."
I have a hard time believing that. There have been coyotes in WKY since before I was born in the early 70's.
I am 50 years old and been a hunter all my life. The coyotes started showing up here about 15 years ago. Now they out number the foxes or close to it. I know they were in western Kentucky long before they got here.
Closest breeding pair known is western Nebraska. Closest confirmed in Missouri is 60 miles from Wickliffe. Probably a few beyond the confirmed.
They are coming this way. Armadillo's are here.
They are coming this way. Armadillo's are here.
That is true. Apparently they are looking for females. Another thing these are juveniles being pushed out by larger males. They grow up. So they can be very healthy. I know of one in Illinois that crossed a railroad bridge and got killed that was scrawny.
With that said, none of that equals every UFO spotter and guy with no shirt talking about the tornado seeing 5 a year.
You are not near as smart as you think you are.
I don't need trail cam pictures, I know they are out there.
These are my favorite kind of Paddock topics. No one actually knows for sure yet no one is willing to say they don't know. Respect. :fistbump:
When you've been as close to a puma as I have, close enough that you can smell the death in its paws, then it changes you. Sometimes, late at night, I can hear them tread lightly on padded feet just outside my window. Hungry. Waiting. I've known folks that have disappeared. Vanished in the dark of the night. The big cats are there only you can't see them but they see you. They sense the hot blood in your veins and smell the fat in your hearts. The Indians believed the puma was a man trapped between life and death and only a blood sacrifice could set him free. In Kentucky they must feed more and maybe you are next if you do not believe. I say we respect the ways of the Indians and return to the old times when men feared and respected the animals of the forest. It is only then that we will become people of the land and once again the great puma can rest.
Daniel Boone once slept under a cottonwood tree in Dayton, KY. Or maybe it was Simon Kenton.
Whoever it was wasn't eaten by a mountain lion, though.
But some KY Game & Fish officials that I know suspect there is a current population of less than 12,000 making their home in the commonwealth.
Accept it or be eaten, Rob.
Whoever it was wasn't eaten by a mountain lion, though.
But some KY Game & Fish officials that I know suspect there is a current population of less than 12,000 making their home in the commonwealth.
Accept it or be eaten, Rob.
All I know is that if the deer population in Kentucky is as bad as it is here in SC, both states NEED another predator just to cull the herd. Mountain lions would do just fine in the Francis Marion National Forest alone.
Coyotes were something you never saw here when I was a kid. Then, about 15 or so years ago, you started hearing about them popping up in the area. Now, you usually find a few dead beside the road every fall.
Daniel Boone died from eating too many sweet potatoes. Likely a bigger threat than cougars to most on this board. I avoid both.