MS Senate Live Stream

[statedawg2004]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mYStAhwqM

Never know what might happen this afternoon. Nice little back and forth between Jeremy England and Chris McDaniel before the lunch recess. You can rewind to watch.

 

[dawgstudent]

Looks to be about 1 hour 54 minutes in.

I felt like I was watching the MS Senator version of Hugh Freeze when McDaniel spoke.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

McDaniel missed his calling. He could make a lot more money as a televangelist.

 

[Dawgg]

Chris McDaniel has all the makings of a proper television villain.

 

[ckDOG]

Jeremy is a good guy and bulldog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mYStAhwqM

Never know what might happen this afternoon. Nice little back and forth between Jeremy England and Chris McDaniel before the lunch recess. You can rewind to watch.

He's made his opinion on flag change for quite some time. I think he was leaning towards referendum recently, but has shown great courage in supporting immediate change that will likely make life tough on a freshman senator back home. I can't speak for his constituency, but he's making me proud as a bulldog.

 

[dorndawg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mYStAhwqM

Never know what might happen this afternoon. Nice little back and forth between Jeremy England and Chris McDaniel before the lunch recess. You can rewind to watch.

Can someone provide the cliffs notes of their exchange?

 

[Dawgg]

Can someone provide the cliffs notes of their exchange?

McDaniel had made a statement earlier this week like "Look, these are the days you find out who has a backbone. These are the days we find out who will stand with the people as opposed to stand with the special interests."

Without calling him out directly, England stood up and said people questioned whether he had a backbone and assured the chamber that he did, in fact, have one.

McDaniel then got up and backed off his statement re: backbones, saying that he wasn't referring to England specifically.

I never heard Chris McDaniel speak before today. He gives me the 17ing creeps. It's like if Frank Underwood was relegated to state-level politics.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

I never heard Chris McDaniel speak before today. He gives me the 17ing creeps. It's like if Frank Underwood was relegated to state-level politics.

Interestingly, his accent is fake. He hired a speaking coach in preparation for his 2014 Senate run to learn to speak in a more exaggerated way to appeal more to the people who he thought might vote for him, and has adopted it as his full-time professional voice now.

 

[Dawgg]

That makes sense, actually.

I half-expected him to stare directly into the camera and say "I love that flag like sharks love blood."

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Interestingly, his accent is fake. He hired a speaking coach in preparation for his 2014 Senate run to learn to speak in a more exaggerated way to appeal more to the people who he thought might vote for him, and has adopted it as his full-time professional voice now.

Good grief. That’s about par for the course for most politicians.

 

[Dawgzilla]

So, what's the issue holding things up? Do legislators actually want to keep the flag, or are they just claiming it should be put to a popular vote?

 

[Antonio Brown's Foot]

That makes sense, actually.

I half-expected him to stare directly into the camera and say "I love that flag like sharks love blood."

"I love Mississippi! I love her people! Our customs. I love and respect our heritage."

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

So, what's the issue holding things up? Do legislators actually want to keep the flag, or are they just claiming it should be put to a popular vote?

Both. They know that a popular vote will have keeping the flag on the so-called “winning” side. They. Annoy. Me.

 

[fishwater99]

So, what's the issue holding things up? Do legislators actually want to keep the flag, or are they just claiming it should be put to a popular vote?

Why can't they just bring it up and vote to suspend rules, if that passes then vote on the flag.

It's not hard people.

 

[woozman]

So, what's the issue holding things up? Do legislators actually want to keep the flag, or are they just claiming it should be put to a popular vote?

They know that the flag needs to be changed or we’ll be toast economically and PR wise. The issue is that they want to get re-elected...

 

[ckDOG]

Healthy majority of legislature want it gone.

So, what's the issue holding things up? Do legislators actually want to keep the flag, or are they just claiming it should be put to a popular vote?

They also know the flag stays with a referendum. They are trying to figure out how to make the right decision while also getting re-elected next term.

It's a mind 17 for a politician conditioned to stay in office and not actually do what's in the best interest of their constituents. Which is most of them.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

So, what's the issue holding things up? Do legislators actually want to keep the flag, or are they just claiming it should be put to a popular vote?

They want to keep it, but don’t want to be on the record for saying so. So they’re playing the “let the people decide” card.
Why don’t we just put every decision to a vote,
Every contract the star awards, everything. The people were elected to represent the wishes of the people who elected them. Do your job. One way or the other, don’t kick the can down the road.

 

[patdog]

I think by now everyone realizes that the flag has to go. This is just grandstanding by a few who are pissed off about it. But even they realize our state won't be able to withstand the pressure that will crank up if they don't get this done. As much as they hate to lose the old flag, they're not going to take the blame for fallout that will happen if it's not changed.

 

[Go Budaw]

They know that the flag needs to be changed or we’ll be toast economically and PR wise. The issue is that they want to get re-elected...

Am I the only one who can’t fathom this? Anyone who runs a defamatory campaign about changing the flag against any such Senator would be committing political suicide in these times. Is this really that hard? Whoever runs an attack ad based on this will have their ad being ridiculed not only in MS, but nationwide and all over the internet with national party members putting pressure on them to drop out of the race. This is NOT a tough vote. Not even close.

 

[dorndawg]

Appreciate it

 

[johnson86-1]

They know that the flag needs to be changed or we’ll be toast economically and PR wise. The issue is that they want to get re-elected...

Which is really mindblowing. Being a state legislature looks like fun for a post retirement gig. Get wined and dined and get some spending money while working a few months a year. But it's really not a great gig and can't imagine stressing out over staying elected.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

So, what's the issue holding things up? Do legislators actually want to keep the flag, or are they just claiming it should be put to a popular vote?

Very few legislators are actually in favor of keeping the current flag. Most of the no votes want it to go to a referendum so the can essentially punt on the issue and keep their hands clean. They are trying to ride the fence and deflect responsibility to not upset anyone. The only reason there is even talk of a referendum on this issue is because our cowardly legislature decided to do the same exact thing 20 years ago in an attempt to escape responsibility.

This is one of those issues where the adults in the room almost unanimously know what the right decision is, and are well aware that if we don’t do it now, it’s only going to be worse for us in the future. However, they also know this will be unpopular in some of their districts. Frankly, educated Mississippians of all political parties for the most part agree that it’s time for a change. The issue from what I can tell is we have A LOT of uneducated, older voters in this state who are very loud and entrenched in their beliefs.

IMO, this will get done, but some people are going to have to catch some flack back home. I know this post will upset some people, so go ahead and downvote away.

 

[maroonmania]

McDaniel missed his calling. He could make a lot more money as a televangelist.

Anyone else find it hugely ironic that the ring leader in trying to stop the removal of the Confederate battle flag is from the Free State of Jones?
If anyone should lack attachment to the Confederate flag you would think it would be those from Jones County.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

Imagine ... being in a job where you have to seem like you want the flag just enough to keep votes to stay in office.... but also get the flag changed so you get the other votes needed to stay in office.

Also, imagine just trying to be a good human being and letting the chips fall where they may.

 

[msudawg12]

Which is really mindblowing. Being a state legislature looks like fun for a post retirement gig. Get wined and dined and get some spending money while working a few months a year. But it's really not a great gig and can't imagine stressing out over staying elected.

Its not about the job. its about retirement and benefits

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Mark Twain's observations are always relevant:

"Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."

"All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on account of personal experience and heredity."

"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress."

"...I never can think of Judas Iscariot without losing my temper. To my mind Judas Iscariot was nothing but a low, mean, premature, Congressman."

 

[EagleDawg97]

My rep said this exact thing to me: I’m going to vote to change the flag, but y’all need to remember me come election time, because I am catching hell from some other people in the district.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Not sure we’re allowed to quote Mark Twain anymore.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

It's not just older uneducated voters. There are a great number of uneducated young voters, many with degrees from semi-reputable institutions of higher learning. Those younger folks are just as loud and equally entrenched. Don't kid yourself. If it comes to a vote, we're gonna get stuck with it and maybe for more than just 20 years this time.

 

[EagleDawg97]

I’m guessing any statues of Mark Twain would be at great risk right now.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I'll need to step off of this spinning globe then.

 

[TNT.sixpack]

Although the money ain't great, for some of those legislators it's their main source of income (go take a look at their bio's and jobs back home). The legislative gig also provides retirement and benefits. So when their redneck, racists constituents start blowing them up to vote to keep the flag, they know if they vote otherwise, they're risking political and career suicide. So yes, they're actually holding their ground to keep that damn flag. As for Chris McDaniel's reason, damned if I know why....I guess he's simply racist as hell and he's willing to admit it.

 

[woozman]

Am I the only one who can’t fathom this? Anyone who runs a defamatory campaign about changing the flag against any such Senator would be committing political suicide in these times. Is this really that hard? Whoever runs an attack ad based on this will have their ad being ridiculed not only in MS, but nationwide and all over the internet with national party members putting pressure on them to drop out of the race. This is NOT a tough vote. Not even close.

I can’t fathom it either. The problem is that Bubba in Shubuta, Collins, Lucedale, Leakesville, Crystal Springs, etc. could not give 2-***** how MS is perceived and what industries look elsewhere...

 

[GhostOfJackie]

Why can't they just bring it up and vote to suspend rules, if that passes then vote on the flag.

It's not hard people.

They are making it extremely difficult.

 

[DudyDog]

Why can't they just bring it up and vote to suspend rules, if that passes then vote on the flag.

It's not hard people.

I think they are waiting until the very end of the session to handle the flag. When you have a controversial matter, you always handle it....not necessarily handle it....but you make known the outcome, at the very end. That way once it's over you can haul *** and get away from people. Have you noticed most firings at businesses on the managerial level or above usually occur on a Friday? It's done on purpose. Since they are meeting again on tomorrow, I'm guessing we won't know until then.

Now watch them prove me wrong....and get it done today....

Somebody get the crow ready just in case.

 

[patdog]

Yeah, the part of our heritage that involved holding slaves and fighting a war over slavery is a part of our heritage I don't really love all that much. Actually, one side of my ancestors came over from Ireland after the war; we were more likely to be slaves than own them.

 

[Go Budaw]

I can’t fathom it either. The problem is that Bubba in Shubuta, Collins, Lucedale, Leakesville, Crystal Springs, etc. could not give 2-***** how MS is perceived and what industries look elsewhere...

I still don’t think it matters. There is only one stance to take. An endorsement of the current flag, or attack / incictment on changing it is nothing short of overt racism at this point (especially after it is gone). Even if all the open racists in MS are pissed, there is nowhere to channel that aggression because it won’t be changed back or ever become the basis of any campaign whatsoever. Its far too toxic of a position to take.

This is literally no different than being hesitant to classify the terrorism and torture enacted by the KKK as hate crimes, because you are afraid it might cost you a few votes. Who is coming forward on the “pro-KKK” ticket in the year 2020 to actually exploit that?

 

[vandaldawg]

Looks to be about 1 hour 54 minutes in.

I felt like I was watching the MS Senator version of Hugh Freeze when McDaniel spoke.

I was looking for the trail of slime when he walked off stage.

 

[woozman]

I agree with you 100%. I’m just telling you that half of my aunts, uncles, and cousins think I’m the devil now because of my anti-flag stance on FB. And I have heard - “ ain’t nobody telling us what to do” several times.

ETA : also had an uncle let me know he was buying two state flags (to have a spare one) and an aunt tell me that “I just ordered MY FLAG!’...

 

[RocketDawg]

Interestingly, his accent is fake. He hired a speaking coach in preparation for his 2014 Senate run to learn to speak in a more exaggerated way to appeal more to the people who he thought might vote for him, and has adopted it as his full-time professional voice now.

Exaggerated "southern", or away from southern?