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TheNewMSU

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both were very good programs back in the day and have a lot of history but the sun has set on both. Omaha a few years ago was a flash in the pan and so is Ole Miss' Cotton Bowl win. Both programs watch their in-state rivals close the gap for the most part. Both programs have the majority of fans that are delusional that only think about the past...there sure as hell isn't much to brag on that has happened recently for either.

Cohen will do a good job in time, but we will never be what we once were in baseball. That is just a fact. There is way too much competition now. Hopefully our fans will be patient with Coach Cohen as he takes us to our potential. This year is going to be a very long year.</p>
 
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TheNewMSU

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both were very good programs back in the day and have a lot of history but the sun has set on both. Omaha a few years ago was a flash in the pan and so is Ole Miss' Cotton Bowl win. Both programs watch their in-state rivals close the gap for the most part. Both programs have the majority of fans that are delusional that only think about the past...there sure as hell isn't much to brag on that has happened recently for either.

Cohen will do a good job in time, but we will never be what we once were in baseball. That is just a fact. There is way too much competition now. Hopefully our fans will be patient with Coach Cohen as he takes us to our potential. This year is going to be a very long year.</p>
 
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TheNewMSU

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both were very good programs back in the day and have a lot of history but the sun has set on both. Omaha a few years ago was a flash in the pan and so is Ole Miss' Cotton Bowl win. Both programs watch their in-state rivals close the gap for the most part. Both programs have the majority of fans that are delusional that only think about the past...there sure as hell isn't much to brag on that has happened recently for either.

Cohen will do a good job in time, but we will never be what we once were in baseball. That is just a fact. There is way too much competition now. Hopefully our fans will be patient with Coach Cohen as he takes us to our potential. This year is going to be a very long year.</p>
 
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Todd4State

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Hopefully we won't lower the speed limit to 1 MPH. Thanks Ron!

One thing to remember here- Our program has been in decline for seven years with essentially nothing being done to stop it. And to be honest, I think it kind of stagnated under McMahon somewhat as well. I have nothing against Pat, but I think if he had stayed, he probably would have ended up running us into the ground like he eventually did at UF.

And I do agree, that we probably won't dominate the SEC, but I don't see any reason why we can't be a top 3-4 team every year, with maybe an occasional "down" year. A team like that would have a very legit shot at going to Omaha and maybe have a chance to win the CWS every year.
 
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SLUdog

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level of the SEC baseball program. We will go to Omaha again within the next 9 years. That's our average. Cohen should get 2 years of recruiting before we are much above .500 in SEC play. Ron Polk's teams really weren't great from 1991-96 either, but last year and this year so far are pretty bad. I predict we will finish better than we started in SEC games.
 
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VinceVega70

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I am a State homer. Even I see that Ole Miss is loaded in football. Snead will contend for all-conference honors. Many of their key players from last year return. As much as I dislike Nutt, he's a great coach and has done an excellent job so far in Oxford. They will contend for the conference championship this fall and maybe outdo their achievements of this past year. You made a bad comparison. Further, Cohen could easily turn it around soon for us. We've played two road series against top 10 teams. And with Polk's players. All the people slitting wrists over these losses the past week should 17ing relax. We will do better and soon. And just give Cohen a year or two to get more SEC-caliber players (of which we now have few). Patience, patience, patience. I think both ends of your comparison are different than you think.
 
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Oxford Godfrey

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As for football, you can't say it's a flash in the pan until the Rebs win only 5 games next year.

Which won't happen.
 
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Oxford Godfrey said:
As for football, you can't say it's a flash in the pan until the Rebs win only 5 games next year.

Which won't happen.
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However, 2001 MSU was ranked 8 in the preseason. It CAN happen....
 
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ArrowDawg

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.........next season. If they do, you can basically go ahead and sign MSU football's death warrant. It would be a blow of epic proportions to our future recruiting, further our lowly status in our own state and the conference, and pretty much max out every inferiority complex that MSU fans already feel about themselves. Call me melodramatic if you want, but I'm telling you that I believe MSU football will be D-E-A-D if this occurs.
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I'm definitely back on the "Rebel Hater" bandwagon this year for this reason. We seriously better all hope they don't reach that level of success.
 
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"Cohen will do a good job in time, but we will never be what we once were in baseball. That is just a fact." There is no part of what you just said that is fact. Just sayin'
 
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jackstefano

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Keep up the good work. One question though: when OM does it again next year in football (look at the schedule), how will you convince yourself that they really still suck.

OM won't win the NC or play in a BCS game, but they'll win and win big next year. And the next. And they'll continue to recruit well as long as Nutt's there.
 
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....but your analogy here is even worse.

umiss had some very good basketball teams during that timeframe and all they could muster was one Sweet 16. M-State baseball under ol' #1 part II never competed for a damn thing, yet they went to Omaha (which is, at the very least, the Elite Eight equivalent of NCAA baseball) after being good boys all year and barely making the SECT. I think your analogy would fit more if umiss had sucked dick all year and then lucked into the Sweet 16. But, they were expected to have gone at least that far that year and for a few years prior.

Yes, our Omaha trip that year was "flash in the pan". But, the two scenarios are not similar at all.
 
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cowbell9

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and as far as our baseball? owe 11 and owe 12 we will host Supers and prolly be inOmaha. Comparing miss football to our baseball is nuts. there is no Dunkle Index in baseball.
 
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SLUdog

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was silly. I don't like comparing different sports from different universities. Rebel fan is clearly excited and grown a nice thick coat of wool. I guess there's no reason not to be after last year's season. Perhaps we can discuss this on Nafoom, but why shouldn't you think the Rebs will not play in a BCS game. I'd favor them to win the SECW. Of course this is all based on Snead remaining healthy.
 
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not a good one for a number of reasons. As for my expectations, I think we have the talent to win the west but I'm not sure if we actually pull it off. We're inexperienced on the left side of the OL and replacing Peria, who was playing as good or better than any DT in the country at the end of the year, will be tough. As I've mentioned on here before, the worst possible scenario in my mind is going in to the Egg Bowl needing a W to seal the deal. And yes, this is absolutely predicated on Snead staying healthy.
 
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jackstefano

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I think there's a good chance for a 9 win regular season, but that assumes wins over Vandy (a tough game for OM even when they used to suck), SC (Thursday night road game early in the season), MSU (who the hell knows how well y'all will be playing by the end of the year), UT (lots of talent), and Arkansas (tabbed by some bloggers as the most improved team in the country). The LSU and Bama games are in Oxford, but I still think those are losses. AU on the road, who knows but not a place OM traditionally wins.
 
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maroonmania

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boosters thought about MSU when in 98 we were about 6 minutes from an SEC title in Atlanta and the effects it was going to have on their program. That's why all the effort to insure the NCAA brought down Sherrill and everything about our football program. I personally think our success is more dictated by how we run our program than what the Rebs do. Things ebb and flow with momentum and talent level and if Mullen is the coach we think he is, he will eventually make us into a successful program irregardless of what going on in Oxford. The late 90s showed that actually both programs can be competitive at the same time.
 
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jackstefano

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as losses. Let's say the other 2 losses with Stanley in there are UT and USC. That leaves Vandy, MSU, Arkansas, as well as the 4 games which comprise the weakest non-conference schedule in history.

I think the team will be strong enough on the O and D line, and the running game, to win those games games with Stanley. Per the practice reports, he's the next ELI !!!1!!!!1.
 
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Toag Redloh

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My definition of winning big is championships and in college football, BCS games. What Ole Miss did last season isn't winning big, and I personally think that's your peak. Just my opinion. You're not sneaking up on anyone this season.
 
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jackstefano

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I'll take a Cotton Bowl win over a top 10 team, and a top 15 finish followed by top 20 recruiting all day long. I don't know that an OM fan can expect much else. Can they win bigger than that? Sure. But I doubt it in the SEC West.
 
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Toag Redloh

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I've noticed Nutt seems to stumble when the expectations are there. And an injury to any key player will hurt Ole Miss more than say, Alabama. That's the main reason I don't pick UM to win the SECW, just not enough overall talent and depth as the other contenders. The starters are top-notch, most of them.</p>

Depends if Bobby Massie can play LT next season because there's no one else that can, and UM expect big success. Sowell is not the guy.</p>
 
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jackstefano

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I really doubt that Massie starts his freshman year at LT. He didn't even play LT at Hargrave. I suppose if Sowell just sucks it up it's possible. Of course, that's all assuming Massie makes it to campus. He doesn't have the needed test score yet.
 
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RebelBruiser

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Well, let's see. We finished 2008 with the highest post-season ranking for an Ole Miss team since the 1960s (14th in one poll). We had a recruiting class that ranked a spot or two lower than the highest ranked recruiting class we've had since they really started compiling rankings, if you buy into the rankings.

And all the pre-season polls are picking us higher in the pre-season than we've been picked since Archie Manning's senior year. So, we have reason to be optimistic. It may not be winning big to you unless it includes a BCS game, but it's as good as it has been around Oxford in a long time.

By the way, who, outside of Florida and maybe Texas Tech, did we sneak up on and beat last year?

We didn't sneak up on Wake Forest, South Carolina, Vandy, or Alabama. We were just flat out better than Memphis, Samford, ULM, MSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and LSU. In the LSU game, we could've come in with all kinds of accolades, and we still would've beaten them easily. We were just better than them. Other than Florida and Texas Tech, it's not like you could really point to any other game and say that we won because our opponent was overlooking or underestimating us. If anything, you could argue that maybe we overlooked or underestimated Vandy and South Carolina, which really evens things out.

We're going to win our 4 OOC games (because we don't play anybody), and unless Snead goes down, I don't think it's unrealistic to think we would be able to go 5-3 again in SEC play, especially since we won't have to spend half the season learning how to play as a team and learning how to win. So, I think 9-3 is very reasonable.
 
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Oxford Godfrey

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As Ole Miss football isn't comparable with MSU baseball in number of titles and appearances, etc....

I am so confused right now.

I just know you can't call something a "flash in the pan" until it stops "flashing."

I didn't call MSU's Liberty Bowl season a "flash in the pan" because it was more of a gradual build and decline.
 
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GroveHard

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ringing endorsement, yeah, I know. He could "manage the game" well enough for our season to not completely tank, but we would become predictable on offense and heavily run oriented. I think I'm with jackstefano, probably a 2 game swing.
 
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TheNewMSU said:
both were very good programs back in the day and have a lot of history but the sun has set on both. Omaha a few years ago was a flash in the pan and so is Ole Miss' Cotton Bowl win. Both programs watch their in-state rivals close the gap for the most part. Both programs have the majority of fans that are delusional that only think about the past...there sure as hell isn't much to brag on that has happened recently for either.

Cohen will do a good job in time, but we will never be what we once were in baseball. That is just a fact. There is way too much competition now. Hopefully our fans will be patient with Coach Cohen as he takes us to our potential. This year is going to be a very long year.</p>
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So, what is the comparison when you win it twice in 5 years?
 
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"If you reply to him, you're banned"-type status?

Only reason I ask is that JR's the last poster I recall that Six Packers saying to ignore.
 
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