MSU/UM Merger

[Son_of_34]

The denounce thread got me to thinking and if the university just so happened to merge, say in a fantasy draft format, who would be your first 5 picks using the 2012/13 rosters. Mine:

1. Dak
2. Chris Jones
3. Moncrief
4. The younger Kimdeechie
5.De'Runnya

 

[BeardoMSU]

Replace #5 with McKinney, and you're on your way.

 

[HD6]

I'm taking Tunsil before Nkemdiche for sure.

 

[os62]

The denounce thread got me to thinking and if the university just so happened to merge, say in a fantasy draft format, who would be your first 5 picks using the 2012/13 rosters. Mine:

1. Dak
2. Chris Jones
3. Moncrief
4. The younger Kimdeechie
5.De'Runnya

I'd take Tunsil somewhere in the top 3. He's on his way to being a top 10 NFL draft pick IMO.

I'd also take swap out Moncrief (since he is no longer on the team) and replace him with Treadwell.

Speaking of which, I'd take Treadwell over DeRunnya.

Dak is exciting to watch and seems to be a great leader. I don't think he's the Heisman guy some of yall make him out to be, but he's clearly got a HIGH ceiling and plays the most important position. I'd have no problem with him at 1.

I still think Chris Jones and Robert Nkemdiche are equal. There are pissing matches between fans, but be real --- you would love to have EITHER player on your team. Jones looks to be the real deal too, but I think he needs to be a little more consistent. I feel the exact same about Nkemdiche. They both were TRUE FRESHMEN so that is a compliment to both because they are both so talented.

My top 5 would possibly be:

1). Dak (QB is the most important position)
2). Tunsil (love having a stud OL)
3a/3b) Chris Jones/Robert Nkemdiche
5). Treadwell

I'd also find a spot for McKinney. That kid is a beast. Possibly at 5.

 

[dawgstudent]

I honestly think no one thinks he has a good shot of winning the Heisman but he is being mentioned. And as fans, we might as well run with it.

I never understood tempering expectations as a fan. I want to enjoy being good. I enjoyed being 7-0 even if it was against competition not so great.

 

[dawgstudent]

If you held a gun to my head - I would choose Jones just from the standpoint there seems to be less baggage.

 

[os62]

I honestly think no one thinks he has a good shot of winning the Heisman but he is being mentioned. And as fans, we might as well run with it.

I never understood tempering expectations as a fan. I want to enjoy being good. I enjoyed being 7-0 even if it was against competition not so great.

Yeah, I definitely don't think your grounded MSU fans really believe Dak has a legitimate shot at the Heisman. And, that's not to knock him or say he won't have a spectacular year. I remember catching hell from some of my buddies about the "Deuce for Heisman" and "Eli for Heisman" campaigns but I thought both were a lot of fun regardless if they won or not. It's something to get excited about.

I do disagree with you, somewhat, on the tempering expectations as a far --- well, at least from an Ole Miss POV. I just don't want to get my hopes up too high and feel let down. I remember SOME Ole Miss fans being down right pissed after 2009 because they bought into all the hype. In the end, we went 9-4 with a Cotton Bowl win. By either fan base's standards, that is an excellent year. I was happy, but some weren't. Sure, it COULD have been better, but it was still an excellent year.

However, I do agree that it is fun, as a fan, to get excited about the season because of hope of high expectations. There isn't anything wrong with it other than getting over-confident.

 

[os62]

Agree with that, DS

 

[Wicked Pissah]

Dak, tunsil, gabe jackson, jones, mckinney

You guys are nuts for picking WRs. Need the big uglies. Games are won in trenches, not bubble screening teams to death.

 

[57stratdawg]

I think if you put together a list of "The most likely SEC players to be invited to the Heisman Trophy Presentation in 2014," Dak would be in the top 5.

TJ Yeldon
Dak Prescott
Someone from Auburn
Todd Gurley
Alex Collins

With Treadwell, Mike Davis, Matty Maulk being in the next group.

 

[os62]

Yes, games are won in the trenches. That's why I used picks 2-4 on big uglies. But, one standout WR can be a game changer. Look at a Calvin Johnson, Josh Morgan, AJ Green, healthy Percy Harvin, etc. They are difference makers that affect every play.

 

[Wicked Pissah]

So a frosh WR over the number 1 guard in nfl draft. Got it.

 

[patdog]

Agree. #5 has all the talent in the world. But I'm not sure if the positives outweigh the negatives in the long run with him.

 

[stinkfoot]

Why would you draft defensive and offensive linemen in fantasy football?

The denounce thread got me to thinking and if the university just so happened to merge, say in a fantasy draft format, who would be your first 5 picks using the 2012/13 rosters. Mine:

1. Dak
2. Chris Jones
3. Moncrief
4. The younger Kimdeechie
5.De'Runnya

But in an nfl kind of draft, or even starting a college team:
1. Tunsil
2. Chris Jones
3. Treadwell
4. Golson or another good ol from your team
5. cody pruitt, tony conner, or that lb from your team.

You can have Dak at 1, and I'll take Bo and the o and d lines.

 

[os62]

Really??

Plus, I prefaced this by saying I wouldn't count any player that is no longer on the team.

So would you take Gabe Jackson over Sammy Watkins??

 

[dawgstudent]

I was disappointed finishing 8-5 after starting 7-0. Doesn't change the fact I want to start 7-0 every year in football regardless of who we play. It was fun to be 7-0 and flirting with the top 10.

 

[thatsbaseball]

So who coaches this outfit ?

 

[rebflow]

1. Tunsil
2. Jones
3. R. Nkemdiche
4. Prewitt
5. McKinney/Bryant
Going off of 2014 rosters

 

[Rayburn8]

1. Dak. 2a jones 2b tunsil 4 McKenny 5 Conner(second best freshman on that team behind tunsil in my opinion) based off 2014 rosters

 

[johnson86-1]

Looking long term and considering remaining eligibility

1. Dak
2. Tunsil
3. Chris Jones
4. Nkemdichee
5. Clayburne

I had to reach for 5. Going with Clayburn b/c I assume any OL that gets playing time as a freshmen or RSFr without being embarassed will be good, but I'm sure there is probably a better pick if I were more familiar with each team's roster.
Treadwell and Wilson would both be in the running for the 5th spot b/c you can't always get WR.
I'd also be tempted to go with Nick James if I was sure his head was on right.
Tony Conners looked good when I saw him play but not sure I'd burn a top 5 pick on a S.
Can't go with McKinney simply because of remaining eligibility and because LB is a position where you should always be pretty good in the SEC.
Same with RB. I'm sure there is a stud fr or so, but you can always get a RB in the SEC.

 

[esplanade91]

If it was consolidated and I was named head coach and was told to keep 85, most of my starters would be MSU guys. The large majority of the bench would be UM.

It's crazy but both universities' key players are at the same position. Other than Tunsil and their entire special teams units, I like ours better. I don't see how at this point in their careers Tubby isn't ahead of Treadwell in the slot. StArZ?!

 

[os62]

If it was consolidated and I was named head coach and was told to keep 85, most of my starters would be MSU guys. The large majority of the bench would be UM.

It's crazy but both universities' key players are at the same position. Other than Tunsil and their entire special teams units, I like ours better. I don't see how at this point in their careers Tubby isn't ahead of Treadwell in the slot. StArZ?!

hahahaha why am I not surprised??

 

[FISHDAWG]

So who coaches this outfit ?

Felker
Mullen
Sherrill
or
Freeze
Cutcliff
Tubberville

 

[esplanade91]

Why am I not surprised you think Bryant is just as good as McKinney and Kardashian is better than Jones?

Of course both fans think their players are better.

 

[johnson86-1]

hahahaha why am I not surprised??

I think it's been done before, but not this year and it would be interesting. Off hand I would agree but that's probably just because I know state's roster better.

QB: Dak over Wallace
RB: Robinson over Mathers?
Left OT: Clausell toss-up with Tunsil --> Seems clear Tunsil will be better. I don't think he was better last year and it's not guaranteed hell be better this year. Sherrod didn't make the jump til after his true sophomore year.
Left OG: Clayburn v. Morris?? Morris if he was healthy. Is he?
C: Dillon Day over ?????
RG: Malone or Beckwith v. Justing Bell?? Have no clue about Bell. Malone is good if healthy. Beckwith is solid.
RT: Malone or Johnson or Rufus Warrn v. ??? Should be an easy pickup for UM if they have a proven player at RT. Do they?
TE Malcom Johnson/Artimus Samuel v. Even Engram? No clue. Happy with what we have but not sure what Engram's like.
I have no clue about wide receivers. If treadwell stays inside, I assume we'd take Bear Wilson over y'alls top outside threat. If he moves outside, I assume we'd take Jameon Lewis over your slot. I assume your second outside wide receiver would be as good or better than Robert Johnson?
On defense, I'd give Jones the nod over Nkemdichee mainly because of attitude, I like our LBs, y'all's safeties, and think we could use a healthy CJ Johnson for his pass rush and don't know about the interior.

Out of say 14 where I think there is a clear leader, I'd take 9 from MSU and 5 from UM, but a couple of those I'm either choosing against an UM player I don't know (basically every LB position) or choosing an UM player I don't know assuming they're at least average (RT, DT).

ETA: I'm matching strength to strength, not doing what would really happen and put Tunsil and Clausell at opposite tackles, putting one of Jones/Kemdichee at DE and one at DT, etc.

 

[esplanade91]

And that's what I was getting at. I'm not dumb enough to say I'd want every single one of our starters, but on offense the only players I'd grab from Ole Miss are 2 or 3 linemen (a guard, Tunsil, and a RT... Maybe) and Treadwell.

On defense it's 50/50... So where did I offend you? Saying I didn't want Wallace or your running back?

 

[thatsbaseball]

HC-The Kang, OC-Cut, DC-Tubb

 

[Shamoan]

dak at #1?

look, i like dak as much as the next fan, but he needs to work on his decision making before he can become great.

 

[os62]

Why am I not surprised you think Bryant is just as good as McKinney and Kardashian is better than Jones?

Of course both fans think their players are better.

I never said Bryant was better than McKinney. In fact, I believe I put him at either my 5th or 6th pick. I also put Jones and Knemdiche as equals.

 

[rabiddawg]

Has Treadwell completed a pass for TD, ran for a TD and caught a Pass for TD in at least 2 separate games? If your answer is no then Tubby is clearly the right call.

 

[rabiddawg]

That was also the game where he found out his mom probably wouldn't make it through the day. I think she ended up dying that night or the following day. I forgave him for that game. He had a lot on his shoulders that day. He came back the following Saturday and gave one of the most heroic performances we could have imagined against A&M.

 

[esplanade91]

She died following the A&M game.

Regardless, he had a lot on his plate this season. You can chalk up that pass attempt to lack of experience.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

She died following the A&M game.

Regardless, he had a lot on his plate this season. You can chalk up that pass attempt to lack of experience.

I am pretty sure she died the Sunday morning following the USCe game......so before the TAM game.

 

[rabiddawg]

You are correct. The A&M game was the game most of us thought he wouldn't play in because it was just a week after she passed. He was a warrior. Also the same game he received the shoulder injury that almost ended his career

 

[johnson86-1]

dak at #1?

look, i like dak as much as the next fan, but he needs to work on his decision making before he can become great.

Unfortunately you don't have to be great to be the most important pick between UM and MSU. You just need to be good, a QB, and have the other qb options be a guy with turnover issues and limited arm strength and young qb's with basically less than 2 games of meaningful snaps between them.