I don't understand why Dan keeps pulling offers to committed recruits for taking other visits. I know the Bryant story was fabricated by Rosebowl but now Faulk is saying we pulled Rawlings offer. Why? The kid is pretty good and we could use him. There's no need for us to pull that stunt. To win recruiting wars for big time prospects you can't pull offers for taking visits, it's part of the process.
Mullen and Committed Players
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What did Rosebowl fabricate? Bryant can thank his lucky f*cking stars if he signs with MSU, because yesterday our staff was ready to tell him to get lost. He lied to us twice. One time he ended up in Oxford and the next he ended up in Hattiesburge. Plus, on top of all that, he's a grade risk. He doesn't have an OM offer. If I was him, I'd start being thankful I have a SEC school that's going to take a chance on me, and the next time Mullen, Townsend, and Hughes ask me not to do something - I wouldn't do it.
Rawlings is no long considering MSU. You could basically say that as of Christmas/New Years. OM has known they were going to offer him late, and he knew he would flip to them. They waited till a recruiting weekend so they could grab some headlines in State. Pull his scholarship or don't - it doesn't matter.
Rawlings is no long considering MSU. You could basically say that as of Christmas/New Years. OM has known they were going to offer him late, and he knew he would flip to them. They waited till a recruiting weekend so they could grab some headlines in State. Pull his scholarship or don't - it doesn't matter.
Why do you keep using we? Your email address is on this page. If you are a State fan with an Ole Miss email - please excuse me.
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The Rawlings klan thought they had a can't-miss hand, and Mullen called their bluff. Good for him. Sean can go be backup plan for 4-5 more years in Oxford; he knows or should know how this game is played.
He's no big loss at all. I thought us taking his commitment in the first place was a big stretch. Glad it worked out best for MSU.
He's no big loss at all. I thought us taking his commitment in the first place was a big stretch. Glad it worked out best for MSU.
Why don't you remove his annoying *** from the social register?
He's here for one purpose...
You knew that yesterday.
He's here for one purpose...
You knew that yesterday.
I was coming over here to post the same thing. I'm not sure if Rosebowl is right
or not, but if he is, I just don't get pulling a scholly just because a kid visits another school. It's just the nature of the game. You want good players, they are going to get recruited. You can best bet that when it's known that a kid has an offer from Miss St, or any SEC school for that matter, he's going to get looks from every major school around. If that school thinks they have a shot to land him, and he's good enough, they will go after the kid.
I trust this staff in general when it comes to recruiting, but if this is really happening I don't get it. It turns out Brandon Bryant's offer was never pulled. Who knows though. I like the idea of our coaches pressuring their commitments not to visit to lock it down, but don't threaten to pull their offer.
or not, but if he is, I just don't get pulling a scholly just because a kid visits another school. It's just the nature of the game. You want good players, they are going to get recruited. You can best bet that when it's known that a kid has an offer from Miss St, or any SEC school for that matter, he's going to get looks from every major school around. If that school thinks they have a shot to land him, and he's good enough, they will go after the kid.
I trust this staff in general when it comes to recruiting, but if this is really happening I don't get it. It turns out Brandon Bryant's offer was never pulled. Who knows though. I like the idea of our coaches pressuring their commitments not to visit to lock it down, but don't threaten to pull their offer.
Gee Mr. Ole Miss fan, I dunno...
why Mullen keeps "pulling offers"?!? Maybe because your bucktoothed *** beaver of a coach's only goal in life is to run up the "score" in recruiting and Mullen isn't going to be played by him. Mullen owns his *** and is pissed, get used to it. When Freeze get shitcanned, Mullen's handprints will be on the lever that boots him out the door.
why Mullen keeps "pulling offers"?!? Maybe because your bucktoothed *** beaver of a coach's only goal in life is to run up the "score" in recruiting and Mullen isn't going to be played by him. Mullen owns his *** and is pissed, get used to it. When Freeze get shitcanned, Mullen's handprints will be on the lever that boots him out the door.
There's a difference between when you're a borderline SEC prospect (project) and when you hold offers from multiple SEC schools. Both of these kids are easily replaceable and the staff has players chomping at the bits for a scholarship offer.
Sprawlings went to TSUN without an offer. He get's an offer if he's ready to flip. TSUN saves face if he doesn't. As Strat said, without the State offer, he no longer has any leverage.
Sprawlings went to TSUN without an offer. He get's an offer if he's ready to flip. TSUN saves face if he doesn't. As Strat said, without the State offer, he no longer has any leverage.
I admit that I know nothing about it at all, but what do you gain by pulling an offer other than looking like a sore loser or a control freak, neither of which probably helps recruit other better guys in later years?
I tend to doubt that the offer pulling is actually happening in any of these cases, but the rumors drive traffic to recruiting sites.
I tend to doubt that the offer pulling is actually happening in any of these cases, but the rumors drive traffic to recruiting sites.
When your rival's main goal in life is to make you look bad and it's not about the kid anymore, that's when you pull it and shut down the sideshows. It's not even "pulled" in the sense that Sean has moved on so let's just not wait until he "announces" so OM can spin it as a "flip", it's not a flip. The one thing that this will do is prevent OM fans from getting opportunities at State in the future because Freeze and Bjork are crooks and it is well known that they condone this kind of ********. It only ends up hurting the kids, but Mullen is right to refuse to participate in it. Good for him.
The biggest thing is that you want to know what you are going to have with these lower tier guys come signing day. If you have another guy you think is just as good and he's not off screwing around, take the other guy and focus your time and attention on the big fish.
Good point. I wasn't thinking too much about how great it's going to be for another guy to get the offer that was pulled. I was just thinking about the bad press for pulling the offer without really gaining anything.
from day one Mullen has said that he only wants kids who want to be at MSU
Rawlings doesn't want to be at MSU> plenty of others do. Mullen and company have a great track record of developing talent.
But to be developed, one has to be willing to listen and trust the coach. Trust is a two-way street. Development is only made possible with someone who wants to be there.
Rawlings doesn't want to be at MSU> plenty of others do. Mullen and company have a great track record of developing talent.
But to be developed, one has to be willing to listen and trust the coach. Trust is a two-way street. Development is only made possible with someone who wants to be there.
Because this is not the case.
Mullen just saw through the **** and instead of Ole Miss trying to one up us, he one upped them. We didn't pull Jones offer last year, and Bryant still has his offer. Rawlings is not a can't miss player. He was a project. It's funny people ***** about taking his commitment because he only had offers from ****** schools and now some people are bitching because we told him to 17 off because we aren't going to play the BS game with him.
Mullen just saw through the **** and instead of Ole Miss trying to one up us, he one upped them. We didn't pull Jones offer last year, and Bryant still has his offer. Rawlings is not a can't miss player. He was a project. It's funny people ***** about taking his commitment because he only had offers from ****** schools and now some people are bitching because we told him to 17 off because we aren't going to play the BS game with him.
So Freeze and Bjork (what the hell does our A.D. have to do with this?) are crooks because "they" decided to offer a kid a football scholarship?
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It actually could NOT be anymore obvious...
I have
a feeling that when kids commit, Dan & staff ask the kid if he's sure. They explain to him that if he is 100% sure, to cancil and not take any visits. If the kid decides he doesn't want to cancil visits, then Dan and staff advise him to hold off on his commitment, because he really isn't committed anyway. If these kids STILL affirm their commitment with all of this in mind and then 5 months down the road dishonor it, Dan sees this as the kid lying. He obviously tries to avoid attracting kids with no honor and discipline.
a feeling that when kids commit, Dan & staff ask the kid if he's sure. They explain to him that if he is 100% sure, to cancil and not take any visits. If the kid decides he doesn't want to cancil visits, then Dan and staff advise him to hold off on his commitment, because he really isn't committed anyway. If these kids STILL affirm their commitment with all of this in mind and then 5 months down the road dishonor it, Dan sees this as the kid lying. He obviously tries to avoid attracting kids with no honor and discipline.
I don't know about the crook part other than message board fodder. How bout it being a douche move having your own commits flip to you and spending time deliberately targeting commits to flip from your rival mainly for the press. As good as your class was last year it cost you two commits chasing Chris Jones. He would have been at great player to have, our staff already suspected that, but you come in at the last wanting him as much for the press coverage of flipping him as for the fact he was a great player. This year you didn't get any traction trying to flip Aeris, Green, Graham but its funny that once it was out there how great Sims and Rawlings family bonded while at State that he gets an offer the next week. That was the point of our staff not playing games with this recruit by pulling the offer before the press annoucement.
So, basically, Mullen is honorable and Freeeze is deceitful. Sorta the opposite stereotypes we grew up with concerning Yankees and Rebels.
mullen is just redefining what commitment means to mississippi state. nobody is forcing these guys to commit to us early. if you arent ready to commit, dont do it, take your visits, then commit when you are ready. when you are told that your scholly is in jeopardy if you take visits, dont be shocked when you scholly gets pulled. its not that difficult to comprehend even for a 17/18 year old and the parents calling the shots.
either way, its more of a feel call. if it feels like its going south, the offer is getting pulled assuming its not a game-changing player, a la chris jones. for the marginal players, i have no problem with it.
either way, its more of a feel call. if it feels like its going south, the offer is getting pulled assuming its not a game-changing player, a la chris jones. for the marginal players, i have no problem with it.
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For the hell of it, let me throw this out there...
Mullen pulling the scholly backed Freeze into a corner. He had to offer Rawlings or he ends up being the guy who screwed the player over. I like this version of things..well played Dan, well played!
hell, i think we can count this one as a mullen hat-fake.
mullenz be all like "you gotta be quicker than that". regardless of reality, thats how i see it. the mullen hat fake....i like it.
Mullen pulling the scholly backed Freeze into a corner. He had to offer Rawlings or he ends up being the guy who screwed the player over. I like this version of things..well played Dan, well played!
i like it. mullen dumped rawlings on freeze. that could fly.
im surprised that freeze took a limited scholly and gave it to a 3* guy. as much as they star gaze, they could have filled that spot with a 4*, 5*, or the worlds first 6*. things look to have fallen through a little bit if they took a 3* this late in the game.
all jokes aside, im sure rawlings will do fine for them. you can hide some imperfections in a center's game...certainly not as critical as a tackle or a guard. hes got the frame and his ****** childhood dream probably came true. good for him.
im surprised that freeze took a limited scholly and gave it to a 3* guy. as much as they star gaze, they could have filled that spot with a 4*, 5*, or the worlds first 6*. things look to have fallen through a little bit if they took a 3* this late in the game.
all jokes aside, im sure rawlings will do fine for them. you can hide some imperfections in a center's game...certainly not as critical as a tackle or a guard. hes got the frame and his ****** childhood dream probably came true. good for him.
Mullen has a rule…. that if you are committed to us and you visit somewhere else, your scholly is pulled. Exceptions for any four or five star players (Chris Jones, etc) LOL
You gave yourself away with these words ...
If Rawlings was a such 'big time prospect,' why would Bucky wait until ~10 days left to offer?
If Rawlings was a such 'big time prospect,' why would Bucky wait until ~10 days left to offer?
That isn't even close to the actual rule.
Whose scholarship has actually been "pulled" simply because they visited elsewhere?