Mullen's 4th Year

[121Josey]

Some TSUN trolls have recently asserted that Mullen should have already had his offensive running on all cylinders in his 4th season. I thought that I would check and see what another former Gator coach had done in his forth season. South Carolina compares quite nicely with State as far as its brand and in-state rivalry. In 2005 Spurrier replaces Lou Holtz.

S. Carolina YPG OFF DEF
2005 7-5 L Independence Bowl #101 #45
2006 8-5 W Liberty Bowl #19 #52
2007 6-6 #73 #60
2008 7-6 L Outback Bowl #97 #11 *Hired Ellis Johnson
2009 7-6 L Papa John's Bowl #82 #12
2010 9-5 L SECCG L Peach Bowl #47 #39 *Marcus Lattimore Freshman Year
2011 11-2 W Capital One Bowl #74 #3 *Jadaveon Clowney Freshman Year
2012 10-2* ? Outback bowl #88 #10

MSU
2009 5-7 #65 #62
2010 9-4 W Gator Bowl #42 #40 *Hired Manny Diaz (1 Season)
2011 7-6 W Music City Bowl #84 #26
2012 8-4* ? Gator Bowl #75 #57 *First Season without Fletcher Cox*****

Seems like State is on par for the course if they could get their defense worked out.

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

Yeah, "if they could get their defense worked out", That is a big, big question. We got run and passed all over this past season. We were not competitive in the losses we had, and that is very disturbing. Even though we were 8-4, those wins were over not very good teams. We were fortunate that Auburn and Arkansas turned the ball over as much as they did, or those outcomes may have been different. In my opinion, we regressed this year, especially after our lackluster showing against Ole Miss, when it appeared to me we played with little effort and no emotion.

 

[Koldfire]

Grapes vs Raisins

No need to fret guys. Our coach is young, energetic, innovative....football just has not caught up with his genius. Spurrier is an old, has-been (see Saban and Myles). The game has passed him by. We have the best coach in football. Just need a few of "his players", clean up a few things, and bam, we play for the national championship.

 

[justme55987]

Some TSUN trolls have recently asserted that Mullen should have already had his offensive running on all cylinders in his 4th season. I thought that I would check and see what another former Gator coach had done in his forth season. South Carolina compares quite nicely with State as far as its brand and in-state rivalry. In 2005 Spurrier replaces Lou Holtz.

S. Carolina YPG OFF DEF
2005 7-5 L Independence Bowl #101 #45
2006 8-5 W Liberty Bowl #19 #52
2007 6-6 #73 #60
2008 7-6 L Outback Bowl #97 #11 *Hired Ellis Johnson
2009 7-6 L Papa John's Bowl #82 #12
2010 9-5 L SECCG L Peach Bowl #47 #39 *Marcus Lattimore Freshman Year
2011 11-2 W Capital One Bowl #74 #3 *Jadaveon Clowney Freshman Year
2012 10-2* ? Outback bowl #88 #10

MSU
2009 5-7 #65 #62
2010 9-4 W Gator Bowl #42 #40 *Hired Manny Diaz (1 Season)
2011 7-6 W Music City Bowl #84 #26
2012 8-4* ? Gator Bowl #75 #57 *First Season without Fletcher Cox*****

Seems like State is on par for the course if they could get their defense worked out.

Do you nt find it odd that your offense is worse in year 4 then it was in year 1 and 2? The comment about it being Mullen's 4th year was in response to you saying he didnt have his players yet. Seems to me after 4 recruiting classes 3 of which he was entirely accountable for, he should have his players.

 

[aerodawg.sixpack]

Good job with the information to back that up. The total yards gained was less this year (year 4) than in year 2, but the yards per play was actually slightly better at 5.9 ypp rather than 5.8 ypp. The points per game is at 30.2 vs 25.6 and 29.0. Nearly everything in year 4 is better than year 1 as far as the offense goes. Year two is quite comparable, but to say that year 4 is worse is a stretch. I would say that we fared pretty well offensively this season with such a dramatic shift in passing vs rushing.

I am not saying we were great or anything. Just pointing out that you are throwing out **** and hoping it sticks.

Link in case you were interested.

 

[justme55987]

Good job with the information to back that up. The total yards gained was less this year (year 4) than in year 2, but the yards per play was actually slightly better at 5.9 ypp rather than 5.8 ypp. The points per game is at 30.2 vs 25.6 and 29.0. Nearly everything in year 4 is better than year 1 as far as the offense goes. Year two is quite comparable, but to say that year 4 is worse is a stretch. I would say that we fared pretty well offensively this season with such a dramatic shift in passing vs rushing.

I am not saying we were great or anything. Just pointing out that you are throwing out **** and hoping it sticks.

Link in case you were interested.

Look, I posted that based on the numbers that were posted in this thread. Im not throwing anything. Im trying to have a discussion but people like you keep attacking instead of trying to discuss. I wasnt going to look at per play because rhat wasnt what was posted, nor do I really care one way or another. Im basing it on whats been given and that was overall O and D.

And if you actually want discuss why your overall O got worse even though your per play went up we can, but if you just going to keep attacking, 17 you.

 

[thf24]

Look, I posted that based on the numbers that were posted in this thread. Im not throwing anything. Im trying to have a discussion but people like you keep attacking instead of trying to discuss. I wasnt going to look at per play because rhat wasnt what was posted, nor do I really care one way or another. Im basing it on whats been given and that was overall O and D.

And if you actually want discuss why your overall O got worse even though your per play went up we can, but if you just going to keep attacking, 17 you.

Do you not realize that this post is much, much more combative than the one you replied to? You're clearly not interested in having a discussion, you just want to start ****. You'd have a leg to stand on with the "friendly discussion" angle if you didn't make your real intentions so obvious.

 

[justme55987]

Do you not realize that this post is much, much more combative than the one you replied to? You're clearly not interested in having a discussion, you just want to start ****. You'd have a leg to stand on with the "friendly discussion" angle if you didn't make your real intentions so obvious.

Im curious how that showed my real intentions? I originally asked a question that was valid. If he had just posted the stats and not the attacks, it would have gone further as a discussion of total yards and amount of plays and why he thought they had changed. But because he chose to attack, I had to defend my post. I may have gone a bit overboard on the last sentence, but i stand by it.

I enjoy discussion, i have been in a few on this board lately that were good back and forth. For some reason though the last couple have just been hateful, and for the most part I just dont respond to the hate, but today I did. Im sorry if it ruffled your feathers but im not going anywhere.

 

[aerodawg.sixpack]

How was your question valid if the premise of it was wrong?

I was being a dick because of your dickish tone assuming that our offense is worse this year than it was in Mullen's first 2 years when that is just incorrect. I provided factual data that the offense is decently improved from year 1 and at least on par with year 2, even though we still have one game to play.

I am sure you know the whole saying about assume. I just brought it full circle for you.

 

[Ace-Leroy]

Im curious how that showed my real intentions? I originally asked a question that was valid. If he had just posted the stats and not the attacks, it would have gone further as a discussion of total yards and amount of plays and why he thought they had changed. But because he chose to attack, I had to defend my post. I may have gone a bit overboard on the last sentence, but i stand by it.

I enjoy discussion, i have been in a few on this board lately that were good back and forth. For some reason though the last couple have just been hateful, and for the most part I just dont respond to the hate, but today I did. Im sorry if it ruffled your feathers but im not going anywhere.

You are a *****, and a lying ***** at that. Enjoy your queerness. *****.

 

[121Josey]

JustMF55 - Please bring something to the party

Do you nt find it odd that your offense is worse in year 4 then it was in year 1 and 2? The comment about it being Mullen's 4th year was in response to you saying he didnt have his players yet. Seems to me after 4 recruiting classes 3 of which he was entirely accountable for, he should have his players.

No, you started with the unfounded comment that it's Mullen's 4th year and his offense sucks. Then I responded that he didn't have his players yet (e.g., dual-threat quarterback (Dak), a between the tackles running back, and a run first offensive line). I'm just interested in how much worse Freeze's offense will be in year 4 without Moncrief and Sanders. Oh, don't let me forget Bo Wallace.**

The point of the comparison is that the offensive genius who is Steve Spurrier, who is guru of offense in the SEC - with all due respect to Gus Malzahn, couldn't turn around the SC offense, even in year 4. He started dominating when he hired Ellis Johnson.

I'm sure that you knew that players generally play for five years, so not all players in Mullen's 4th year will be his. And like you said, he was completely responsible for 3 recruiting classes.

I do find it odd that our offense was better on a national average when Tyson Lee and Chris Relf were our quarterbacks. But that could have something to do with losing 2 NFL-caliber running backs to the league and then having to switch to a pass-first offense. But you wouldn't be interested in knowing any causal connections. We get your point: It's Mullen's 4th year and the offense is the reason that he lost to the Care Bearz.

 

[MedDawg]

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[justme55987]

No, you started with the unfounded comment that it's Mullen's 4th year and his offense sucks. Then I responded that he didn't have his players yet (e.g., dual-threat quarterback (Dak), a between the tackles running back, and a run first offensive line). I'm just interested in how much worse Freeze's offense will be in year 4 without Moncrief and Sanders. Oh, don't let me forget Bo Wallace.**

The point of the comparison is that the offensive genius who is Steve Spurrier, who is guru of offense in the SEC - with all due respect to Gus Malzahn, couldn't turn around the SC offense, even in year 4. He started dominating when he hired Ellis Johnson.

I'm sure that you knew that players generally play for five years, so not all players in Mullen's 4th year will be his. And like you said, he was completely responsible for 3 recruiting classes.

I do find it odd that our offense was better on a national average when Tyson Lee and Chris Relf were our quarterbacks. But that could have something to do with losing 2 NFL-caliber running backs to the league and then having to switch to a pass-first offense. But you wouldn't be interested in knowing any causal connections. We get your point: It's Mullen's 4th year and the offense is the reason that he lost to the Care Bearz.

See thats what I dont get. I only made a comment based off of the info you provided, and you were trying to use those numbers to show ole miss had an average offense(which i actually agree with). The problem is that states numbers were worse in every category. So I pointed that out and inquired about the fact of it being mullens 4th year.

Now because im a reb fan you went directly to the offensive. Made excuses for mullen and then attacked freeze. All you had to say was, yeah we really miss the big running back and duel threat qb. Honestly I wonder why Dak hasnt played more, he definitely fits mullens style a lot more.

I know, im a reb, so obviously everything i type has an agenda against state in your mind. But thats ok one of these days you will just realize its just back and forth banter. It may seem tilted towards the rebs at times, but thats cause im a fan, and sometimes it cant be helped.

 

[121Josey]

See thats what I dont get. I only made a comment based off of the info you provided, and you were trying to use those numbers to show ole miss had an average offense(which i actually agree with). The problem is that states numbers were worse in every category. So I pointed that out and inquired about the fact of it being mullens 4th year.

Maybe if you would take time and read the posts you would understand. Please show me where I connected those numbers to the TSUN Bear offense. Again, the purpose was to offer some form of justification and reasoning. If you had a better reasoning, you were free to offer it.

You were the one who asked what Mullen would tell his recruits when his offense sucked in the 4th year. You probably borrowed that from the NAFOOM wilderness.

 

[justme55987]

Maybe if you would take time and read the posts you would understand. Please show me where I connected those numbers to the TSUN Bear offense. Again, the purpose was to offer some form of justification and reasoning. If you had a better reasoning, you were free to offer it.

You were the one who asked what Mullen would tell his recruits when his offense sucked in the 4th year. You probably borrowed that from the NAFOOM wilderness.

I never said anything about what he would tell his recruits. I never even mentioned him talking to recruits about it. You inferred that somehow. Either way im done with this topic, see you in some other topic.

 

[JJs Frustration]

This is your typical sixpack playground yah yah scrap. Jesus nobody can put up a thread anymore and not have someone attack it, a rebel dive in it, and a ***** *** argument ensue. It's becoming hard to find anything of substance on here anymore.

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

You are a *****, and a lying ***** at that. Enjoy your queerness. *****.

That's pretty good, although I had to laugh. How does his post involve homosexuality?