Mullen's %@@% & best MS players comments and their long term effects...

[Hair of the Dawg]

Will ithave an effect on the way later classes and high school coaches view us?

As Mullen repeatedly vows to get the best players from MS, will it begin to make us look more favorable to HS coaches and players? Does his repeated disregard of any credit to UM begin to take effect down the road and will it have any lasting impression?

I think that this is exactly what he is trying to do. I believe he is trying to reach a point where he has sold MSU to the upcoming classes that he doesn't have to fight for them. As he is constantly in these HS freshman, sophmore and juniors ear telling them we signed more MS players than any other school in the state, will that at least get one or two that might have gone out of state to Bama or LSU to stay?

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[Hair of the Dawg]

Will ithave an effect on the way later classes and high school coaches view us?

As Mullen repeatedly vows to get the best players from MS, will it begin to make us look more favorable to HS coaches and players? Does his repeated disregard of any credit to UM begin to take effect down the road and will it have any lasting impression?

I think that this is exactly what he is trying to do. I believe he is trying to reach a point where he has sold MSU to the upcoming classes that he doesn't have to fight for them. As he is constantly in these HS freshman, sophmore and juniors ear telling them we signed more MS players than any other school in the state, will that at least get one or two that might have gone out of state to Bama or LSU to stay?

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[Shmuley]

I really don't think Mullen does himself any favors by trying to "talk up" a player like minifavre. I guess he's in a tough spot on that one, but damn. Not even the fanny pack donning, jersey wearing, braided belt sporting, wooliest of the wooly can smell what he's cooking on minifavre. Come on, man. As my grandaddy used to tell me, beware of the man who will tell you it's raining when he's pissing on your leg.

 

[Hair of the Dawg]

but if his plan is really to convince all of the MS players and coaches that he wants them here. He had to take him and he had to talk him up, even if he doesn't believe it deep down.</p>

 

[maroonmania]

it is going to be THE funniest thing to come see this board in a few years and watch all the crow that will be digested here if the kid ends up being a good SEC QB. Almost for that reason alone I hope he does well.

 

[topdawg.sixpack]

It does not add talent to the field or make us a better team, but an added plus of recruiting so many Mississippi players is building support from these schools and towns, who want to see the local kid succeed and do well. They will then support MSU, come to some games, buy new gear, etc. I know coming from a small town, when you have a star player, everyone wants to see him do well. Its not much, but stuff like that does help a program.

 

[Shmuley]

I'm suggesting that at some point, coach t-s-u-n needs to think about maintaining credibility. The suggestion that minifavre was anything other than a disappointing option 6 is simply not credible. Again, I understand that he's in a tough spot and he had to make the best of a bad situation. I get that. I just refuse to join in the rah rah **** that is completely non-credible.

 

[Hair of the Dawg]

I think what he is doing and the way he is going about could be somewhat risky.

But I also think that it could be very successful and pay off big time if it works.</p>

 

[VirgilCain]

whether or not we start getting the kids we want to get. I'm all for having the MS All-star squad as our football team. I know they always lose to Alabama, but i think that has a lot to do with the lack of highschool preparation they get (weights, facilities, etc.)

 

[PolkSon]

Dylan Favre IS a Parade All American you 17s.

 

[bonedaddy401]

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[Hair of the Dawg]

Again, I understand that he's in a tough spot and he had to make the best of a bad situation.

I believe this is all that can really be said about it at this point. That and awesome HS game stats, terrible physical ones for and SEC QB.

 

[Hair of the Dawg]

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[PolkSon]

then give him a chance

 

[MFReb]

the key is being around long enough for your plan to take affect. If this method can get him 'in' with a lot of high school coaches and programs then it could work. I think it will take another 3 yrs of doing it as the smaller programs arent going to be putting out a stud every year.....but they might every few years. He has to win enough to make sure he is still around in the meantime.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

play QB. The same with a guy who is smaller than ideal. Of course it might prove tougher for someone smaller, but I would not make conclusions at this point. Let him compete and let's see what happens.

 

[thatsbaseball]

he`s tall , highly recruited blah blah blahbut apparently has had majortrouble understanding the offense. Tell you what. You take the 6`6" guy who can`t grasp your offense and struggles reading defenses and I`ll take the 5`11" guy who understands the offense and can read defenses and if everything else is fairly equal I`ll beat your *** 4 out of 5 times.

 

[Hair of the Dawg]

that is not what I mean, let me clarify.

It is obvious that he was not Mullen's first or second option. Mullen took him and with that came the responsibility of pushing him to the fans. My other point was that he has awesome HS stats and awards, however his physical attributes are not the most desired for an SEC QB. I don't believe that can be argued.

For the record, I'm glad we do have him if nothing more for the publicity that his name brings.

 

[RounderReb]

he`s tall , highly recruited blah blah blahbut apparently has had majortrouble understanding the offense. Tell you what. You take the 6`6" guy who can`t grasp your offense and struggles reading defenses and I`ll take the 5`11" guy who understands the offense and can read defenses and if everything else is fairly equal I`ll beat your *** 4 out of 5 times.

But Favre is not 5' 11". Did you watch the All-Star game he played in? He was overmatched.

 

[Agentdog]

That is absolutely f'n ridiculous. He was asked directly about the QB position. He commented on the awards Favre has earned. He commented on meeting him at the football camp. Hell, Coach Mullen even admitted the staff questioned his height and that they kept looking for a taller guy but Favre continued to impress them with the season he had. How would saying that hurt his credibility? Sounds pretty damn honest to me.

What would hurt his credibility is saying; "Yeah, Favre is short. We settled on him after being turned down by Newton." That would be stupid to say. However, I am sure you understand that but it does not fit into your agenda to admit.

 

[99jc]

look back at the games Tyson lost it was not really his size that cost us but his fumbles and not pitching the ball to Dixon vs LSU that cost us games not so much his size.

 

[Brahmabull]

For years MS people have talked about keep the in-state talent at home. Mullen is doing that. It will pay off over time. I would much rather go to battle with a bunch of home grown players especially the last game of every year when we play OM and they have just a hand full of MS players.

Believe me it does matter. Mullen is building relationships and a foundation. He is getting in the schools across this state. Unlike his predecessor.

As far as Favre goes, I don't know if he will be worth a **** or not, but I like his attitude and his moxy. It beats the hell out of some players I have seen take the field in the SEC thru the years. Let's be honest here, how many people would be jumping up and down about signing the MS high school career passing leader if we hadn't just gone thru back to back short QB's who were not good to begin with? Henig and Lee would not have been good if they were 6'5.

I really believe if we hadn't gone thru the Henig and Lee debacle, most people would be jumping for joy that we signed Favre. Go watch his signing day interview from the Sun Herald and then come back and tell me the kid hasn't earned the chance to be given a fair shot and supported.

What is the worse that can happen? He isn't successful and one of the other many QB's Mullen will sign over the coming years plays ahead of him. Now that he is a Dawg, the least we can do is support him and quit calling him minifavre. If he ends up like Henig or Lee, then you criticize him if you choose. But until then I will pull for the guy!

And while I am at it, Screw Houston Dale Nutt's sleazy ***! The guy is a snake oil salesman at his core. Brim hat, wind suit wearing sleaze bag. I can't wait till November when we whip his *** again!!! Go Dawgs!

 

[holeflow]

it's my understanding that yes Tyler had trouble getting his head around the offense initially - but going into the bama game, he was the best QB on the roster, Mullen just didn't want to burn his red-shirt at that point - we were either going to get an indy bowl or none at all and Dan decided he would rather risk that bowl on Lee and keep the year of eligibility for Tyson. And I'm sure we were running a small portion of the offense last year - Tyler will have an entire year of understanding the entire offense before he steps onto the field - it will only be adjusting to game speed he'll need.

 

[JimC1097]

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[thatsbaseball]

we win probably two more games.He was a turnover and mistake factory.

I`ve seen some stupid **** on this board and even put out some myself but condeming Farve before he ever gets a chance is as dufus as I`ve seen. A lot of these morons are acting like we are some kind of elite program and the scholly should have gone to a more highly recruited QB . FAVRE WAS THE BEST WE COULD DO THIS YEAR. Give him a chance and if he can`t perform and Mullen plays him anyway then we hired the wrong coach. Won`t be the first time.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

I think recruiting projections are generally horseshit. This is really one place where it is very difficult to project a player over the next few years. Their bodies change so much from 17 to 21.

Also Mullen is doing exactly what he should be doing. You can't believe he should come to the podium and say:

"Well the QB we got was really my sixth choice so hopefully he won't suck too bad"

Especially since there are no sure things, (the Booty and Clausen, except Jimmy, boys are examples) he should be very positive at this point.

 

[PolkSon]

We can talk about this all day, but we wont really know until September.

 

[Hair of the Dawg]

Isn't that what you and some others are doing with Russell?

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[RebelBruiser]

For years MS people have talked about keep the in-state talent at home. Mullen is doing that. It will pay off over time. I would much rather go to battle with a bunch of home grown players especially the last game of every year when we play OM and they have just a hand full of MS players.

Believe me it does matter. Mullen is building relationships and a foundation. He is getting in the schools across this state. Unlike his predecessor.

As far as Favre goes, I don't know if he will be worth a **** or not, but I like his attitude and his moxy. It beats the hell out of some players I have seen take the field in the SEC thru the years. Let's be honest here, how many people would be jumping up and down about signing the MS high school career passing leader if we hadn't just gone thru back to back short QB's who were not good to begin with? Henig and Lee would not have been good if they were 6'5.

I really believe if we hadn't gone thru the Henig and Lee debacle, most people would be jumping for joy that we signed Favre. Go watch his signing day interview from the Sun Herald and then come back and tell me the kid hasn't earned the chance to be given a fair shot and supported.

What is the worse that can happen? He isn't successful and one of the other many QB's Mullen will sign over the coming years plays ahead of him. Now that he is a Dawg, the least we can do is support him and quit calling him minifavre. If he ends up like Henig or Lee, then you criticize him if you choose. But until then I will pull for the guy!

And while I am at it, Screw Houston Dale Nutt's sleazy ***! The guy is a snake oil salesman at his core. Brim hat, wind suit wearing sleaze bag. I can't wait till November when we whip his *** again!!! Go Dawgs!

A couple comments.

1) I don't know if it's lack of interest from the Auburns, Bamas, or LSUs of the world or if MSU and Ole Miss are just recruiting better, but for the most part in the past 2-3 years, the in-state talent has stayed in Mississippi at either Ole Miss or MSU. Only a handful each year have gone out of state, and I don't really consider guys from the Coast going to LSU as an in-state loss for MSU/Ole Miss, since that part of the state is LSU country.

2) You say Mullen is getting into MS schools unlike his predecessor. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that was the one part of Croom's recruiting that was usually at least decent. I seem to remember him bringing in a solid crop from Mississippi every year, with a good number of the top state players each year. He just got zero from out of state to supplement.

That's all. I'll leave the rest alone.

 

[PolkSon]

Croom could not recruit Mississippi at all

 

[Todd4State]

Croom would not even TRY to recruit Madison Central. I had heard that MSU had never sent ANYONE to Madison during the Croom era. That is unacceptable at one of the top high schools in the state as far as football.

Also, he missed on Swayze Waters of Prep who went to UAB and was a VERY good kicker and punter. In the meantime we had John Michel Carlson, Shank McAdams, and Eric Richards. The problem was he wouldn't even give Waters the time of day.

Croom's problem with out of state guys was that he would give scholarships to a lot of his friends kids- like Brandon Henderson, Johnathan Lowe and etc.

 

[SLUdog]

I hope he shocks the world.

 

[FlabLoser]

He wants MSU to be to Mississippi as U Texas is to Texas, as USC is to California, as UF is to Florida, as UGA is to Georgia. He is trying to make MSU the school that every kid in Mississippi wants to play for.

 

[RebelBruiser]

That's still the biggest stat I think you can quote from the Croom era to explain why he was fired. You have a punter that wasn't even a great punter, and he set the SEC all-time record for punting because of how often he got to punt during his 4 years. It makes sense why Croom put such an emphasis on the long snapper.

 

[AllAmericanDawg]

walk up to him and call him minifavre.

The not-so-mini favre will probably jack you in the 17ing face. Not talking him up...just saying that you armchairing his playing ability and demeaning him because he wasn't your choice at QB doesn't change the fact that he's a good athlete, wants to be at MSU and if he was the only option, is still a good option.

 

[Todd4State]

which indeed would indicate that he played for four years and that our offense wasn't very good.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I don't believe he holds any other punting records. If he does, it shows how worthless punt stats are. Mike Riley, Todd Jordan, Jeff Walker, Andy Russ, and Heath Hutchins are all infinately better as punters than McShank.

 

[DerHntr]

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[Tdawg411]

you naysayers ever done on the football field. Favre threw for the 4th highest total in the history of high school football in this country. Oh, and he had 19 tackles in the 4A State Championship game---yep that was 19. I offer no predictions as to whether he will make it or not, but I find it funny that most of his critics probably couldn't throw a football 10 yards.

 

[jzahner1]

I see the foundation work mullen is designing. It has all the makings of a great future situation with the talent in this state. The hs coaches and players will remember the emphasis on in state recruiting. As he builds the connections in this state, the time it will take for the staff to receuit in the future will be lowered and he could start expanding his reach to Memphis and other markets that produce players constantly. Bottom line is that kids want to see their upperclassmen play. Also stringing 3 or 4 good seasonsvin a row will work wonders. That goes without saying c

 

[RebelBruiser]

He wasn't actually good at punting, but he had 16 more punts in his career than the previous record. Granted, he had some 12 game seasons in there, so the stat is skewed, but I still think that's the biggest legacy you have from the Croom era, or at least the most telling legacy he left.

He's actually No. 2 in total career yards punted due to all the punts.