Mullen's "no shortcut" quote...

MSUCostanza · Jan 29, 2011

I'm not one to automatically throw out the "they're cheating" mantra when we lose a recruit, but this quote is pretty telling to me.<div>
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You see everything about our program. We’re going to do things the right way and win through hard work. There are no shortcuts to the top and that’s how we’re going to do things.

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MSUCostanza · Jan 29, 2011

I'm not one to automatically throw out the "they're cheating" mantra when we lose a recruit, but this quote is pretty telling to me.<div>
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You see everything about our program. We’re going to do things the right way and win through hard work. There are no shortcuts to the top and that’s how we’re going to do things.

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MedDawg · Jan 29, 2011

Those are the kind of players that our staff is going after, and it's obvious from State's drastic turnaround that attitude in our current players is already producing results.

Mullen apparently first put off Tyler Russell because Mullen was demanding that Russell say that he was willing to work hard for a championship.

Fellow Dawg fans, Mullen is not sweet talking these kids. The ones that are focusing on partying or smoking pot aren't choosing MSU, and that's a good thing. We won't miss them even if they have more recruiting stars. Also, over the next 4 years, we will be signing over 100 recruits. Losing one or two will not make THAT huge of a difference. Especially if they are more focused on partying and choose another school for that reason.

If we keep recruiting hard workers, we will continue to win, and that will attract the hard working players with more stars. and we will get even better.

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GimpyDawg · Jan 29, 2011

"Nothing is given to you in this world and our kids know that. They know
nothing is going to be given to them for them to succeed. In recruiting,
right now, you’re telling guys that."

given = paid

Mullen is awesome.

GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack · Jan 29, 2011

MedDawg said:
 Losing one or two will not make THAT huge of a difference. 

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Whatever it takes to get you through the night...........but history has shown that a "good" team with one or two "great" players makes all the difference.

If you only want good character kids who are willing to work hard.....great! I love those type of recruits. But spare me the rationalizations when we lose out on studs.

FreeDawg · Jan 29, 2011

I hate even talking about recruiting right now but the "nothing is given..." qoute from Mullen says it all. Another veiled shot at um. I love it.

coach66 · Jan 30, 2011

is not going to appeal to some kids. He ismost interested in the hard work and dedication to your team type of kid. He is not going to blow smoke up their *** and tell them how great they are. I know guys that have been aroundour program a long time and the one theme that sticks out is how much harder the conditioning has become and that kids really have to want it to survive it. Those that do go on to become better players and better men. I know there is alot of love on here for C.J. and he is no doubt a very talented guy but I will tell you a quick story. I have a friend that was attending one of our practices this fall and CJ was there. My friend didn't realize who is was at first but asked after getting annoyed with him because he wouldn't shut his mouth and was an absoulute attention *****. He turned my buddy off so bad that his quote to me was I don't care where that guy ends up but I hope it isn't MSU. Take it for what it is worth but don't think that C.J is the second coming because he is not. Time to move on!

HammerOfTheDogs · Jan 30, 2011

coach66 said:
I have a friend that was attending one of our practices this fall and CJ was there. My friend didn't realize who is was at first but asked after getting annoyed with him because he wouldn't shut his mouth and was an absoulute attention *****. He turned my buddy off so bad that his quote to me was I don't care where that guy ends up but I hope it isn't MSU. Take it for what it is worth but don't think that C.J is the second coming because he is not. Time to move on!

If he had signed with us, we'd be saying, "He wasa vocal leader".

That said, I wouldn't want to take him because,during the Egg Bowl, when some Ole Miss supporter ripped his ID bad from him andsaid to him, "BOY, sit down", he did. Not only that, but he decided to go to that school....must be StockholmSyndrome.

coach66 · Jan 30, 2011

big an impact CJ's loss will have on us and the Reb's. It will be interesting to watch.

Bulldog Backer · Jan 30, 2011

MedDawg said:
Those are the kind of players that our staff is going after, and it's obvious from State's drastic turnaround that attitude in our current players is already producing results.

Mullen apparently first put off Tyler Russell because Mullen was demanding that Russell say that he was willing to work hard for a championship.

Fellow Dawg fans, Mullen is not sweet talking these kids. The ones that are focusing on partying or smoking pot aren't choosing MSU, and that's a good thing. We won't miss them even if they have more recruiting stars. Also, over the next 4 years, we will be signing over 100 recruits. Losing one or two will not make THAT huge of a difference. Especially if they are more focused on partying and choose another school for that reason.

If we keep recruiting hard workers, we will continue to win, and that will attract the hard working players with more stars. and we will get even better.

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One very telling statistic in developing a Championship team is turnover. In the past year, Mississippi State has had three players leave for these reasons:

Karlin Brown: 5-8 205 LB saw no chance of starting so transferred out.
Terrell Johnson: 6-2 215 LB same as Karlin Brown.
Johnathan McKenzie: President's list student quit to focus on academics, still at State.

Now, I don't have a complete list, but Ole Miss has had at least 7, probably more, players leave, including::

Rishaw Johnson: their best OG for Larceny
Patrick Patterson: 5 star with conflicts with coaches.
Darius "Tig" Barksdale: 4 star head screwed up?
Craig Drummond: 4 star hated it at Ole Miss?
Rodney Scott: 3 star RB with decreasing PT.

You can add more to the list, but you get my drift of why Coach Mullen's recruiting philosophy is superior.

coach66 · Jan 30, 2011

some of the folks close to me that are in the business of High School Academics at an instituiton that will remain unnamed.; "Ole Miss is going down a different path in recuriting than we are, we will not be enrolling kids here at the rate they will and are really trying to focus on kids that are not only talented but who also are of high character". This is nothing new, Croom talked about it alot but just wasn't successful in making in happen for a myriad of reasons but mainly because he surrounded himself with marginal coaches that were his friends. Mullen is a different kind of coach and a breath of fresh air, I believe he will find great success and I am glad he is on our side. Okay, I know I am wooly but I know a winner when I see one and we got one!

drunkernhelldawg · Jan 30, 2011

Seems standard to me. What am I missing?

Rebels7 · Jan 30, 2011

But I would have taken that to mean, no starting spots or playing time are guaranteed. You have to earn your spot on the team, i.e. "nothing is given" to anyone at State.

Standard coach speak, but maybe not. I would imagine knowing the tone and context would help.

KurtRambis4 · Jan 30, 2011

and knowing what the article was about, I took it as a bit of that and a bit of a shot at other teams coming in and paying for guys.

SolidDog · Jan 30, 2011

and while I hate to agree with douchebags like you (based on your NAFOOM persona) I think this has more to do with the fact that Whitehead and Arrington have both told Mullen "xxx school is promising me I will start, or get xxxx snaps in 2011" and he doesn't want to have to do that...

I don't think Mullen will us the media to insinuate cheating by others in recruiting because of how he was roasted last time (see... "It will be in my book... re: Newton)

Tomas Smid · Jan 30, 2011

and raise you one." I have a friend whose son was selected to play in the Ms. V. Ala. all star game. He was down there all week observing practices. Anyway, this guy said that one guy stood head and shoulders above all others on the defensive side of the ball. Yep, you guessed it . . . C. J. Johnson. He said that guy was an absolute beast in practice. Then, what does Johnson do in the game but turn around and walk off with mvp defensive honors while garnering 17 tackles. This friend never said a word about hoping Johnson went anywhere but MSU and not a peep about his being an attention-*****.

rabiddawg · Jan 30, 2011

"you can read all of that in a book someday." He never said he was writing a book.

RonnyAtmosphere · Jan 30, 2011

...having said that, unlike the vast majority of people who post here, I trust Dan Mullen's recruiting.

If Dan Mullen is losing recruits to a school that is 2-4 vs. Vanderbilt since 2005, then the reasons probably have less to do with Dan's Mullen's recruiting prowess & more to do with things we'll never know about.

Dan Mullen just offered you people the best MSU football season since the height of the Sherrill era.

The least you could do in return is not call for his head when he fails to sign a player who becomes a mental basket case because Facebook was being mean to him.

FQDawg · Jan 30, 2011

I understand recruiting is important but so far the results on the field, which are they only results that really matter, show me that Mullen and Co. know what they are doing.

beyourowndawg · Jan 30, 2011

...but his reason for leaving doesn't detract from your point.

RebelBruiser · Jan 30, 2011

Just ask Auburn.

There are most definitely shortcuts to the top.

coach66 · Jan 31, 2011

shortcuts to the top that endure the test of time. I still think Auburn gets this rolled back.

RebelBruiser · Jan 31, 2011

I think they'll be 0-14 eventually, but it was definitely worth it. It's quite a gamble, because most gambles of that fashion don't result in 14-0, but it worked out.

maroonmania · Jan 31, 2011

lack of it doesn't mean you won't be a great player. And regardles of what has transpired in his recruitment I look for CJ to be a big time college football player. Heck the NFL is littered with great players with questionable character. One of those is a QB who may win his third Super Bowl this weekend.

GloryDawg · Jan 31, 2011

The reason why the star system misses on kids at time is because of high school coaches. Some of these kids have peaked in highschool. Theyhave good fundamentals and have four and five stars where some of the others have a lot of room to grow due to lack of good fundamentals and good high school coaches. Many of these two and three stars athletes are just in bad situations. Put them at a 6A school where you have more coaches and better coaches many of them would be four and five star recruits. That's what Beamer does at VT. He takes just above average kids and makes them better. You see Nutt does not have that ability. He is horrible coach. He is a smooth talker but he has trouble translating that to the field of play. The guys hesigns realize after getting to campus he is full of ****. Many of them leave. I think Mullen is not a smooth talker but can coach his *** off and get more out of a guy then Nutt can. It is obvious. We have kick the **** out of Ole Miss's four and five stars with our two and three stars two years in a roll with the third comming. What makes Saban so good is the fact he can do both. If Mullen could ever get that smooth talk, he would be another Saban.

Hidog78 · Jan 31, 2011

I though that the shortcut statement was aimed at the would be park ranger. Just a proving series of events that failed so badly and now they have 6qb on the team now.

vicious · Jan 31, 2011

current eligibilty, this is not a good year in recruiting.

Stormrider81 · Jan 31, 2011

They finally won another national title, but it will always have a gigantic asterick next to it, which is one thing Auburn fans will hate for years to come. The only reason they got to play out and not get in trouble on the front end is because they were the SEC's only hope for a national title. Had we beaten then in September, Newton doesn't finish the season. If Bama had beaten them in November, Newton doesn't finish the season. Besides, what fun is it to win a national title when everyone knows you cheated to accomplish the feat and will ultimately have it stripped from you?

MFReb · Feb 1, 2011

and everyone will always remember they won it no matter what happens down the road.

perhaps youre old school and think that a natty can be pulled off without cheating and doing it the right way, but thats not being very honest. maybe youre fine with winning 8-10 games a few times a decade as long as your being true, but im not. id gladly accept having an * next to the title to experience the joy of living thru 14 straight wins and a national championship.

i think youre kidding yourself if you wouldnt also enjoy it. nevermind the fact that the ncaa doesnt award anyone a title to begin with so its not really theirs to strip away. i suspect auburn fans will be just fine with their * from some sports writers if it ever comes to that.

independencebowlmainstay · Feb 1, 2011

Mutt the Hoople said:
coach66 said:

I have a friend that was attending one of our practices this fall and CJ was there. My friend didn't realize who is was at first but asked after getting annoyed with him because he wouldn't shut his mouth and was an absoulute attention *****. He turned my buddy off so bad that his quote to me was I don't care where that guy ends up but I hope it isn't MSU. Take it for what it is worth but don't think that C.J is the second coming because he is not. Time to move on!

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If he had signed with us, we'd be saying, "He wasa vocal leader".

That said, I wouldn't want to take him because,during the Egg Bowl, when some Ole Miss supporter ripped his ID bad from him andsaid to him, "BOY, sit down", he did. Not only that, but he decided to go to that school....must be StockholmSyndrome.

Why is EVERYTHING about race to you? Seriously. Every damn post you make has something in regards to race.

Are you THAT insecure a person that it has to be a constant with you? I call friends of mine "boy" all the time. Is that a problem? If that is what was said, how do you know the context? You ASSUME that is what it meant. Of course, you know what happens when you assume.

I'm certainly glad I don't live in my hometown of Byram any longer if it is filled with folks like you. When I was there, Byram and Terry were combined, and everyone got along. Seems to me that has changed since I left. You are a racist piece of sh*t. Everything is about color to you.

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