Murray says that Cohen and the staff

[Todd4State]

Are checking out South Carolina's new stadium to get ideas on how to upgrade Dudy-Noble Field.

Mine is simple. Tear it down. Build a new state of the art stadium. Make sure that the LFL is included.

 

[Todd4State]

Are checking out South Carolina's new stadium to get ideas on how to upgrade Dudy-Noble Field.

Mine is simple. Tear it down. Build a new state of the art stadium. Make sure that the LFL is included.

 

[Todd4State]

Are checking out South Carolina's new stadium to get ideas on how to upgrade Dudy-Noble Field.

Mine is simple. Tear it down. Build a new state of the art stadium. Make sure that the LFL is included.

 

[dawgatUSM]

I just think removing the bleachers for grandstands and somehow angling them towards the plate would suffice. Maybe even put more suites in if there is a demand...

 

[State82]

Gotta get rid of those horrid bleachers though. And quickly in my opinion. They just take away any aesthetics the rest of the facility has. However, I realize this project probably is on the back burner, no matter how much Cohen may push for it. If it were me, I would put it on the forefront, but I know that aint happening.

 

[vhdawg]

....but given the well-documented problems with the skyboxes, tear those down, build the grandstands wider and higher (to make up for the loss in seating capacity from losing the bleachers), and put the boxes on a 2nd deck.

 

[State82]

concrete structure such as the one we have. Refurbish, renovate, add to, etc., but the main structure needs to remain as is. Starting over would be a major waste of money considering the economic tight everyone is in right now.

 

[Todd4State]

I figure tearing the grandstand down and building a new one might be easier and possibly more cost effective (not 100% sure on the cost effective part, I would have to see figures) than angling it in somehow. I'm not an engineer, and someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong.

Also two more things- it might be a way out of the "lifetime contract" thing that LT came up with.

And we could "accidentally" leave off Polk's name of the stadium.

I like what South Carolina has- they have a Suite level and a Club level. I think that is something that could be done at MSU to.

 

[Todd4State]

is the angle it is at. Most of the new stadiums have their seating at a lower angle than what we have at Dudy-Noble, and it makes people feel closer to the action. See Trustmark Park.

 

[Mjoelner]

Bulldog Bruce, Clark, Palmeiro, Thigpin, Raffo...etc... didn't need that huge hitting background to knock the **** out of the ball! 2nd: Remove all bleachers and put in chairbacks even though it would cut down on stadium capacity. 3rd: Skyboxes. I wouldn't build them unless they were sold beforehand but I would include plans for them into the stucture of the chairbacks down the foul lines in my step 2.4th: Underground plumbing to my spot in left-center so I can put a hot tub on my trailer.

 

[bulldogcountry1]

Tear down everything but the concrete structure that is the grandstand. It's prefectly fine, and all you would be doing is building another (and delaying the finish) if you removed the existing structure. Get rid of the bleachers, the press box, and the sky boxes. You'd have a real good base to build from and add on to, and we could end up with a top of the line stadium for probably 5 million less than starting from ground level again.

 

[vhdawg]

....but if you WERE to tear down the whole grandstand and build a new structure, would MSU be released from its contract with the hereditary owners of the chairbacks?

Discuss....

 

[patdog]

Also two more things- it might be a way out of the "lifetime contract" thing that LT came up with.

And we could "accidentally" leave off Polk's name of the stadium.

And I agree about the concrete grandstand. It's built at too much of an angle. You can't expand it down the same angle without running into the field of play and if you angle any expansion out it will look like ****. Tear it down and start from scratch (if it's feasible costwise) and finance part of it by selling seating licenses with staggered maturities from 1 to 10 years, then when they come up for renewal renew them all for 10 years so you'd have 1/10 of your seats coming up for renewal every year.

 

[buddawg]

I have a crazy idea of making an upper deck around the existing structure. Like big professional stadiums. Would make for more premium seats around home plate and may be pretty loud. No one else has one in college baseball.

 

[PBRME]

They need to look at Autozone Park for inspiration.</p>

 

[jacksonreb1]

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[dawgstudent]

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[beyourowndawg]

 

[graddawg]

I want to know what genius decided not to go after the architect for bad design or the contractor for defective and deficient work if they really were leaking from the get-go.

 

[dawgstudent]

it was in the first year after being built.

 

[Todd4State]

If we bill this as "We're building a brand new stadium, the old stadium doesn't exist anymore, therefore your seat doesn't exist anymore" would probably be a way out of it.

They'll pitch a fit, but those that really do buy seats and go to the games will buy them regardless.

It may cost MSU more up front, but long term would be better.

 

[MedDawg]

or orientation?

What about moving it to the other side of the main entrance road in those woods? It sure would be nice to look out of something other than a parking lot and a white building with a funny green wall between it and the field.

If we kept the same location, what about turning it 1/4 around counter-clockwise where the main entrance faces the parking lot? A brand new good-looking facade where everyone can see it. The center field lounge would become right field lounge, the current LFL would be in center, and a new LFL where the 3rd base line grandstands are now. The main stands would look out over the Palmeiro Center and some open land.

 

[Agentdog]

By angle I assume you mean the rise of the seating from bottom to top.

Yeah, the way the current stadium is built. Any additions, would probably look more like Regions Park in Hoover. Which I don't think looks bad at all. However, I like the open concourse look of Autozone, Trustmark, Dickey-Stephens (N. Little Rock) and etc. better. But I don't think we can achieve that look without a complete rebuild. Because every baseball stadium I have seen, with that look, the playing surface is below ground. Obviously, DNF is at ground level and the stadium is above ground.

I say keep the main structure. Tear down the current press box and sky boxes. Rebuild similar to Regions Park. Have a nice upper level press box, sky boxes with outdoor seating, and extend the grand stand down the lines. Again, see Regions Park.

 

[lawdawg02]

the current trend in stadium design is having the large, open concourses. That, along with club level seats, should be a high priority in any renovation plan, and I just don't think either are feasible with the current grandstand structure. Maybe you could keep the box seats or something, but we could have seats closer down to field level if we got rid of those. I think a major overhaul (demolition) would be great.

As for your cost-effectiveness point, that obviously would depend on how we want to renovate. If we want to do a slapdick LT-style add-on, then we wouldn't have to redo any of the grandstand. I don't think that's the way to go, though. Any major renovation of the grandstand would probably end up costing in the same range as a demolition. I think you're on the right track.

 

[lawdawg02]

Like Todd said, it's a whole new stadium. Seat licenses are for particular seats in a certain stadium. If you move to a new stadium, they don't apply. Similarly, they shouldn't apply to a new stadium constructed in the same location, since it is a new, different stadium. It would depend on the language of the contracts, though.

 

[8dog]

Carolina stadium, Autozone, Trustmark...they all have the HOK open councourse, low seating design. Its really nice, but I do hope we get creative.....and over the top. No sense in half assing this thing.

byrne was asked not long ago what he would do with DNF if money were no object. His response: "Ever heard of a stick of dynamite?"

 

[Tito Cheeseburger Jr]

Maybe it could all be done in 9 months, but a rush job would probably cost more I'm guessing. Autozone is great but the Redbirds can't service their debt because all that brick was very expensive.

 

[8dog]

plan to have the grandstands go down the lines. build all the way from the current grandstand on first, then start tearing down the main grandstand.

Not a great solution, but its a thought

 

[lawdawg02]

Of course, Alex Box was already half-torn down anyway.

I think it could be done in stages if necessary. Do the main grandstand and concourse during the off-season. If there isn't time to do down the lines, then leave the bleachers on one side while you work on the other during the season. Switch it up when one side is done. As long as the maingrandstand is done before the season starts, it would be fine. And I think that could be done without being half-assed.

/Based, of course, on my extensive knowledge of construction...

 

[TheBigDA]

could play our homes games split between Trustmark and Autozone. I think both stadiums would love to have us. Also, pro ball hasn't even started so the first month to 2 months would be easy. After that, alternate between the two parks based on vacancy. A tough chore but if you start planning with the two stadiums two to three years out it could be done.

 

[jcdawgman18]

And failed. Had to keep playing at the old one longer.

 

[Paper Dog]

Baseball changes are a long long way away...might as well be concerned about winning some games, that is the only thing that can happen in the near future

 

[lawdawg02]

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[patdog]

That would put all of our games 2+ hours away from campus. I could possibly see that for the firstfewweeksof the season (until SEC play starts), but no way for a whole season.

 

[ScoobaDawg]

No need to blow the whole thing up.. but Im firmly in favor of chopping the pressbox section off and expanding it into a club section and a much needed larger press box to fill in the spots between 1st and 3rd skyboxes.
Skyboxes can be fixed a lot cheaper than knocking them down and rebuilding them..

Someone asked what is wrong with just extending the grandstand down the line as is..... do you want your chairback to facing the outfield?? and have to crane your neck the whole game. NO
Stadium designers do not do this anymore.. you fix this by angling in the new sections towards the field. As you get close to the foul line you replace the angle with adding height all the way back to the end..as obviously you cant build into fair territory.

The most tossed around way to make doing this easier since we have so little foul room as is...is make more.
Move the plate up 10 feet. Not only does it give you more foul room but it also gives you room for Extra Preminum Field Level seats behind home plate... ala what John and the team will be seeing at USC's new park this weekend.

and for a facade for the outside..how about something like brother aggie is doing down at TX A&M...I like it...
Their Concourse is just like ours with the large exposed supports in the back.

Original Design (I like it better)

New Final Design

 

[Shmuley]

You'd think Janet Smith would consider the project. Someone of her ability should be able to marry the old and new.

 

[Todd4State]

started building thieir new stadium before the season ended. We could certainly start on some things like tearing down bleachers and building what we could down the foul lines and things like that, and MAYBE some external stuff. I'm not an architect, but doing stuff like that would help a little.

 

[Todd4State]

I'm sure that we would have no problem finding people- especially people like SELU that would be more than happy to let us play a road series there. If I were Cohen or Bratton who makes the schedules, I would make darn sure that I wouldn't play some big name opponents though playing four straight road series.

I think playing a series in Jackson or Memphis would be fine. Those games tend to draw well. We could easily play Memphis at Autozone for a series and someone like Louisiana-Monroe in Jackson for a series.

 

[Dinkle]

It would be a pain but I think for a year, we could play our homes games split between Trustmark and Autozone. I think both stadiums would love to have us. Also, pro ball hasn't even started so the first month to 2 months would be easy. After that, alternate between the two parks based on vacancy. A tough chore but if you start planning with the two stadiums two to three years out it could be done.

No way in hell we could do that + i just can't see the front offices for the teams letting us do that without coughing up some $$.

 

[Eureka Dog]

At least there were pine trees there in the early to mid-80's.