My impression of the 5 based on their performances...

Airport

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Dec 12, 2001
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So making people responsible for having health insurance is a bad idea? You know, when you look at the individual features of "Obamacare" without the name, most repubs agree with them. But label it Obamacare and they get their back up. Odd how that works. Especially since many of those features have been touted by repubs and conservative think tanks for years. Speaking of Repub programs and spending, how about that Medicare Part D? Where's your outrage over that? It added about $400 billion to the national debt.
RPJ, I posted what the original writer of that article had to say about Obamacare. He was not in favor of what you said he was. You're smarter than that. Part D should never have happened without paying for it. I agree with you there. We should take the cost of Part D out of medicaid. I think that the defense department can cut cost without cutting effectiveness. Close bases, every state doesn't need a base. Bring home troops from Europe. Let their economies take care of themselves.
 
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RPJ, I posted what the original writer of that article had to say about Obamacare. He was not in favor of what you said he was. You're smarter than that. Part D should never have happened without paying for it. I agree with you there. We should take the cost of Part D out of medicaid. I think that the defense department can cut cost without cutting effectiveness. Close bases, every state doesn't need a base. Bring home troops from Europe. Let their economies take care of themselves.
Now we're getting somewhere. I despise govt waste and fraud as much as anyone else. We need to become more efficient across the board. It's not just social welfare. But to hear members of your party, its all the Dem's and Obama's fault that there is waste and fraud. It is disingenuous.
 

Airport

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I don't think there's anybody that thinks that any of those things are OK. But that doesn't mean that the programs themselves aren't worth merit. The vast majority of people don't do those things. The vast majority of people in these programs want nothing more than to get out of them as quickly as possible.

This is honestly where I think Republicans and Democrats disagree the most. Democrats understand that anything can happen to anybody at anytime and that most people in these programs would love nothing more than to NOT be in those programs. Republicans see anybody in the programs as blood sucking leeches with no ambition or life goals and as people that plan to stay in them for generations. Democrats or Republicans would agree with what you said above. However, Democrats know that the implementation and enforcement of measures to counter those things would EXPAND the role of government and cost MORE money to implement than it will save. This is shown multiple times in places that have done drug testing and catch 1% of people on welfare on drugs.

Democrats don't care as much about the fetuses, but care a lot about the people. Republicans care a lot about the fetuses and couldn't care less about the people.

You are a miserable lout. Republicans care about people. Are you for capital punishment for the most heinous murders? I hope so because those little "fetuses" have never done anything to warrant execution. Most republicans aren't for repealing abortion, but after 20 weeks, the fetus is viable and shouldn't happen. Most ignorant people feel that Europe is more liberal when it comes to abortion. They limit abortion to before 20 weeks. Obama encourages free stuff, it's a voter block for him and the democratic party. As I said, a helping hand is one thing, but this takes it to a life style and should end after certain periods of time.
 

Airport

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Now we're getting somewhere. I despise govt waste and fraud as much as anyone else. We need to become more efficient across the board. It's not just social welfare. But to hear members of your party, its all the Dem's and Obama's fault that there is waste and fraud. It is disingenuous.
It's govt. By definition, govt is wasteful. It's unaccountable for waste. Look at those idiots that ran the govt building and had those videos and wild Las vegas parties. You can't fire these guys because of fed unions. Unreal. Repubs are to plame there too. That's why we should make all law makers have jobs and only be allowed into DC 2 months a year. We should only pay them a small stipend for being there.
 

Airport

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Do you think Obamacare will be any different? It is horrible and when you think govt can run something, you I know they can't.
 

WhiteTailEER

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You are a miserable lout. Republicans care about people.

No they don't. They think everybody down on their luck has done something to deserve where they are, and that the programs that support those people should be cut because those people just spend generations sucking on the government tit.

You said it yourself. In one breath you say you're all for giving people a hand, but then on the other hand you talk about how many people make it a generational career.

Miserable lout? I have compassion and understanding for those less fortunate ... you think they are blood sucking leeches. And I'm the miserable one? LOL
 

Airport

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No they don't. They think everybody down on their luck has done something to deserve where they are, and that the programs that support those people should be cut because those people just spend generations sucking on the government tit.

You said it yourself. In one breath you say you're all for giving people a hand, but then on the other hand you talk about how many people make it a generational career.

Miserable lout? I have compassion and understanding for those less fortunate ... you think they are blood sucking leeches. And I'm the miserable one? LOL
How much money do you give to charity? How much pro bono work do you do? It's a proven fact that conservatives give way more to charity than liberals. I work at the Bradley free clinic here in Raonoke at least 6 times a year. That's equivalent ot 7500 dollars. I give to my church, fund raisers . Compassion is one thing, making it a past time is another. If you're fine with that, volunteer to pay more in taxes cause, evidently, you aren't giving them enough.
 

Mntneer

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No they don't. They think everybody down on their luck has done something to deserve where they are, and that the programs that support those people should be cut because those people just spend generations sucking on the government tit.

You said it yourself. In one breath you say you're all for giving people a hand, but then on the other hand you talk about how many people make it a generational career.

Miserable lout? I have compassion and understanding for those less fortunate ... you think they are blood sucking leeches. And I'm the miserable one? LOL

That's simply not true. The difference lies with teaching a man to fish versus giving a man a fish.

I think you just helped make his point. These social programs are essentially the same as they were 8 years ago. No much has changed. Except the faux outrage fueled by the Fox news crew and limbaugh.

That's not true either. Look at how he extended unemployment benefits. Look at the subsidies that drive Obama care.
 

mule_eer

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That's simply not true. The difference lies with teaching a man to fish versus giving a man a fish.
That sounds good, but how exactly is the GOP stance "teaching a man to fish". To me that implies something akin to subsidies for training, either to the individual or to the companies who might want to hire an individual to be trained. I don't see that in the GOP platform, although I would support that sort of idea. I've said for a long time that welfare should be a short-term deal where the recipient is required to do some sort of job training or education. That wouldn't cost more than what we do now, and the long-term benefits are potentially there.

A better analogy for the current stances would be, "The difference lies with giving a man a fish versus throwing him in the lake."
 

Mntneer

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That sounds good, but how exactly is the GOP stance "teaching a man to fish". To me that implies something akin to subsidies for training, either to the individual or to the companies who might want to hire an individual to be trained. I don't see that in the GOP platform, although I would support that sort of idea. I've said for a long time that welfare should be a short-term deal where the recipient is required to do some sort of job training or education. That wouldn't cost more than what we do now, and the long-term benefits are potentially there.

A better analogy for the current stances would be, "The difference lies with giving a man a fish versus throwing him in the lake."
The problem the GOP have is they want the man to learn how to fish, but they want to give the processing plant the fish for free.
 

mule_eer

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May 6, 2002
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The problem the GOP have is they want the man to learn how to fish, but they want to give the processing plant the fish for free.
I think a good solution on the skilled labor side of the house would to have the government incentivize on the job training. We have a lack of people in a lot of the trades, but a lot of people looking for work. If the government either gave direct subsidies for that training or good tax incentives for hiring people that the company is training, that sounds like something both sides of the aisle could get behind. It's good for the corporations in that they get the needed skilled labor, and it's good for the trainees in that they get paid while learning a good trade. Both sides get to sell it as a win, and it will pay dividends in the future - a new generation of skilled labor with hands-on experience. It's separate from the union journeyman model, so it helps shops that aren't unionized as well.

That also helps with the minimum wage arguments. A lot of people are in those jobs later in life than before, and part of that is because they lack the skills to do something that would pay them more. It also helps with the student loan situation because a lot of people who want to learn how to be a machinist or the like go to some community college to get that training, and a lot of them incur debt from going to school. When they get out of school, they still don't have any real world experience in their trade either, so it's harder to sell themselves to employers.
 

Airport

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The problem the GOP have is they want the man to learn how to fish, but they want to give the processing plant the fish for free.
Good try, but we want the man to fish, be compensated for it by the plant. The plant can then sell the fish to it's clients. The libs want to take half the fish, give it to the free loader down the street cause he helps them stay in power, take a fourth for themselves and an eighth for there govt union friends and then give the remaining eighth to the plant and then tax the plant for not being able to produce enough to feed the hungry.
 

wvu2007

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There you have it. The kooks don't want to govern. They want to obstruct. And that's pretty sad given our country's history of laying aside personal preferences and working for the common good. Reagan worked with Tip O'Neill. Gingrich worked with Clinton. Yet, the kooks now ***** if a Republican is in the same photograph with obama. Sad indeed how effed up your party is these days. They are babies.

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TarHeelEer

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The kooks don't want to govern. They want to obstruct. And that's pretty sad given our country's history of laying aside personal preferences and working for the common good. Reagan worked with Tip O'Neill. Gingrich worked with Clinton. Yet, the kooks now ***** if a Democrat is in the same paragraph with Trump. Sad indeed how effed up my party is these days. They are babies.

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