My opinion of Sidney playing changes weekly...
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it would appear 75,000 prospective college athletes have to provide years of family bank records and tax returns to gain college eligiblity. Just normal business.
If the answer is "yes, somebody helped them in L.A.", then back off Sidney and move on. If the answer is "no, there were no shenanigans", then turn over the damn documents and move on.
Daddy Rabbit Dawg said:
That's the problem I'm sure. If Sidney's family were completely clean, they'd turn over the documents and make it a rubber stamp situation. They're probably trying to figure out what they can do to cover up what they've accepted.
I still think the NCAA will be forced to let him play eventually, maybe even wait until after the season starts to clear him, but they're going to drag their feet as long as possible in hopes he'll just give up and either go overseas or sit out the year before entering the draft.
if he somehow gets cleared which will not have MSU's hands in any of this, great for our basketball team. We have no risk by recruiting him except if we were truly depending on him. He was a surprise recruit to me and we aren't really counting on him for next year.
jobs....
if it is political, then headline news like this should help us out
http://rivals.yahoo.com/n...Fo5nYcB?urn=ncaab,183885
if it is political, then headline news like this should help us out
http://rivals.yahoo.com/n...Fo5nYcB?urn=ncaab,183885
Of course the Sidney's got money, why do you think they moved to LA to begin with. The real question is who gave them the money and the NCAA wants to know really bad. Did USC or UCLA give cash, this is who I think the NCAA is after. The Sidney's are not going to turn over any bank records and I don't blame them. I see a lawsuit coming and this could take a while. Will the court rule before next spring?
Most likely it was an agent or shoe companies, and that's why the amateur status is the problem. I don't think the NCAA is doing this as an attempt to catch USC or UCLA. I think it's because they think he's already accepted things from an agent or shoe company, which would make him no longer an amateur. Most likely he did. The question is, who will be able to hold out the longest, or will the Sidneys be able to do something with the documents to hide what they've accepted.
Why do you think he was in a bidding war between the two schools? USC has been dirty for years in football and basketball. I am pretty sure Sidney has been getting money from Rebook, it's a known fact. Not so sure about agents yet.
whether he was overpaid to do said job is irrelevant. I can pay you $10,000 to wash my car. Is that legal? You're damn right it is. Would that be stupid as hell? Yes, but it is legal. If there was no money given to the Sidney's by USC or UCLA and the NCAA has no proof of it, he should be cleared. Period. The NCAA has found NOTHING on that front, but they want to see how much old man Sidney was getting for his coaching gig - which is none of their damn business. This whole investigation is because of an LA Times article by some hack 'journalist' who got his feelings hurt because Sidney saw the writing on the wall with the OJ Mayo/Reggie Bush/USC situation and decided it was in his best interests to start checking out other options. Do I think the whole moving out to LA to get his name out there more and living in a million dollar home is a little shady? Yeah, I do. In the same token, however, I just find it hard to believe that old man Sidney would jeopardize his son's amateur status by doing something illegal. And if old man Sidney had done something illegal, I honestly feel like Renardo would be in Europe right now, not Starkville. All this being said, I do not expect to see Renardo Sidney EVER playing one second at MState University.
I dont find this at all hard to believe. Amateur status is not important to him. Professional status is.BriantheDawg said:
If it's so obvious that Sidney is bogus then why are we continuing to go down this road. All Byrne and Brett have to do is get a honest answer rather than fighting a battle between USC/UCLA and the NCAA.
Stans can finally get to the Sweet 16 and we will be a National Power in basketball this year...
He is worth the wait and the risk of him being declared ineligible, just ask SWAT. MSU did nothing wrong..</p>
He is worth the wait and the risk of him being declared ineligible, just ask SWAT. MSU did nothing wrong..</p>
but if I took your $10k with the understanding that my kid would go to the school of your choice, and you'd be his agent when he graduated - then there would be eligiblity issues. </p>
The whole thing sucks for Renardo. He was 14 or 15 and money given to his dad shouldn't matter, but it will. </p>
All that said, I bet he plays.</p>
The whole thing sucks for Renardo. He was 14 or 15 and money given to his dad shouldn't matter, but it will. </p>
All that said, I bet he plays.</p>
The Sidneys likely NEVER intended for Renardo to have to play college ball. He was always going to be one of those straight to the NBA high schoolers in their view. But then, the NBA changed the rules on them and they were left to try get the situation righted for him to go to college for at least a year. He got the academic side straightened out but if there was money that exchanged hands back 2 or 3 years ago from shoe companies and agents there's not much that can be done to rectify that now except keep it under wraps.
Yeah, you're right. I guess my question then is why would he enroll Renardo into school if he's guilty of taking illegal money from an agent/booster? Why even bother with the NCAA bs and not just go straight to Europe?
BriantheDawg said:
I agree with your point on the LA Times article. That's why I compare it to the Powe situation. Powe's case wouldn't have been as big of an issue has his mom not made the "good kid, just can't read" statement. That made his eligibility case that much more of a publicized case, just like Sidney's case. There are plenty of Renardo Sidneys to get cleared every day with similar situations. There are plenty of Jerrell Powe's to get cleared with 6 week correspondence courses every day. It's when it becomes publicized heavily that the NCAA drags its feet so much. The LA Times article made Sidney a target.
the wise guy response but I was addressing the
"I just find it hard to believe that old man Sidney would jeopardize his son's amateur status by doing something illegal"
statement from above. Point being, IF something happened it was very likely that keeping amateur status wasn't a concern if they were set on Renardo going straight to the NBA.
"I just find it hard to believe that old man Sidney would jeopardize his son's amateur status by doing something illegal"
statement from above. Point being, IF something happened it was very likely that keeping amateur status wasn't a concern if they were set on Renardo going straight to the NBA.
please tell me why Renardo is currently enrolled at MState University and not in Greece or Italy or Turkey right now? If his dad did something to affect his amateur status (and he knows he did), then why in the hell would he send his son to school and not to Europe?
the NCAA wanted the Grandparents records and that's where the family said no (which I agree is too much). Additionally, the lawyer Jackson said that they wanted bank records (not sure if parents or grandparents) for several years not just a certain time or period. I could understand parent records from 9th grade on but that is it. I do believe that this is a witch hunt, and a case of being guilty until proven innocent.
because barring a miracle of Biblical proportions or a court injunction, it is not gonna happen. The NCAA decided months ago that he is guilty unless he can prove himself innocent and they will never clear him absent that proof. And his attorney will never turn over the requested documents because, as we all know, the Sidney's did not pay for that rent by any legitimate means.
on this board that just wants a normal, civil conversation? Anyway, I don't KNOW that his Dad did ANYTHING to affect Renardo's amateur status and I certainly hope that he didn't because I want to see him suit up for MSU. I also think its ridiculous the NCAA is asking for the financial records they are asking for. However, the conjecture on my part was that IF the records aren't being turned over because something did happen it very well may have been because the parents were thinking at the time that he would go straight to the NBA draft. It would be a HUGE difference thinking your son was going straight to the NBA than now having to consider sending him halfway around the world to play in a foreign country at 18 years old (we all know the great experience Mario Austin had and he was 21). So they are certainly going to do all they can to get him college eligible. But, if the situation can't be cleared up for college eligibility, it wouldn't surprise me if they don't try to find a foreign league for Renardo to play in before next year's draft. Its becoming obvious though that the Sidneys have no intention to turn over their records and its also clear the NCAA is not going to clear him without them. So, unless there is a court order involved or the NCAA backs down to avoid paying a lawsuit settlement, Sidney will not play for us.
I wasn't making any smartass comments when you referenced me the first time. I just don't understand why, if he knows he fukced up and did something to affect his son's amateur status (back when high school players could go straight to the NBA), knows the NCAA isn't going to budge on their position of wanting tax returns to make a final decision - then why he's even bother sending Renardo to school? If neither side is going to budge in their position, what good does it do Renardo to be in Starkville now?
And the Mario Austion comparison doesn't hold water, by the way. One guy is a potential Top 5 pick, the other just wasn't good enough to be picked in the 1st Round and had to go to Europe if he wanted to get paid to play basketball. It didn't turn out too well for him, but I can guarantee you that playing in Europe vs not playing anywhere for a year will make a big impact on where Renardo gets drafted. I just know that if I'm Renardo's dad and I know I'm guilty of taking illegal money, with all of the other surrounding circumstances around this case, I'd have our asses over in Europe right now, not Starkville. This is all definitely a little shady, it's just interesting that he's now in school and apparently there are no plans to go the other route. I just wish it gave me hope that he will someday suit up for us. I just don't see that happening.
And the Mario Austion comparison doesn't hold water, by the way. One guy is a potential Top 5 pick, the other just wasn't good enough to be picked in the 1st Round and had to go to Europe if he wanted to get paid to play basketball. It didn't turn out too well for him, but I can guarantee you that playing in Europe vs not playing anywhere for a year will make a big impact on where Renardo gets drafted. I just know that if I'm Renardo's dad and I know I'm guilty of taking illegal money, with all of the other surrounding circumstances around this case, I'd have our asses over in Europe right now, not Starkville. This is all definitely a little shady, it's just interesting that he's now in school and apparently there are no plans to go the other route. I just wish it gave me hope that he will someday suit up for us. I just don't see that happening.
It is going to happen. The stars are going to align. Then some other catastrophe will destroy our season.
reply view I wasn't referencing you about any smartass comments, I was specifically referencing what appeared to be a wise *** comment from Xenomorph. I think I'm done on this topic except to say that right now I would assume that the Sidneys believe there is a chance that the NCAA will budge once faced with a lawsuit. Otherwise the Sidneys would either be turning over the records or be making other plans rather than having Renardo enter school.