my post from BDJ...

MrHooch

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I thought this bore repeating as it's the best way I can describe how I feel and how I intend to act regarding the cowbell for these last two games...

I am pretty outspoken about my belief that the SEC and Mike Slive
shouldn't have the right to tell me when I can and cannot show support
for my team by ringing my cowbell. I have also said I don't ring only
in the allotted times. I am one of the folks who thinks if we, as a
fan-base, stand up and cry foul on this we can effect a positive change.

In another thread when someone cited the amendment to the artificial
noisemaker rule I posited the theory that perhaps after the season we
could lobby to amend the rule again, allowing cowbells to ring
essentially whenever the band and cheerleaders can do their thing. This
would result in cowbells being silenced from the time the opposing
offense breaks the huddle until the ball is snapped. In reality that is
the only time they would need to 'hear' and I am using quotes around
the word 'hear' because from the data resulting from decibel tests the
cowbells are a non-issue on the field. Beyond that, I would say 99%, if
not all, of NCAA and SEC teams today predominantly use hand signals to
communicate with their players on the field.

I have stated that I don't follow the outlined rules, and that I operate
a little differently than the Ring Responsibly campaign would have me
do. I ring my bell after big plays (regardless of a score)... if MSU
does something good, once the play stops I ring it. I ring it on big
3rd downs, from the end of 2nd down until the opposing offense breaks
the huddle and heads towards the line of scrimmage. At that point I do
stop, out of deference to the rules, and cheer until the end of that
play. Then I just rinse and repeat.

Having said all that, here is what I, as an avid
anti-cowbell-legislation-activist, am willing to do. For the last two
SEC home games I will follow these rules to the letter. I will only
ring before the game, during halftime, timeouts, after scores and after
the game. I hope that I have the opportunity to ring early and often.
Regardless of whether or not that is the case, I will follow these rules
for these final two games of the season.

BUT I do so with the understanding that in the off-season, and
especially when Scott Stricklin heads to Destin again next year, there
will be more than a simple, mewling, obsequious "Please sir? Let us
have some more cowbell, sir?" I expect a COMPREHENSIVE frontal assault
to the policy. I expect Scott, Dan and the rest of our athletic
department to come to this meeting loaded to the gills with decibel
studies, examples of our improved progress throughout the season, and
testimonials in the form of quotes from other SEC coaches, or video
clips of coaches, players, or talking heads from the likes of ESPN, etc.
coming out in support of the cowbell. Let me make it clear, even if
THIS cowbell rule gets past the one year trial period, I am not happy
with it. It must be changed.

The RR apologists would have you 'look at the big picture' to ensure the
cowbell will be around for years to come. I think regardless of the
outcome of this trial period you will NOT silence cowbells. But I am
willing to play the game this time as long as everyone understands we
are not going to simply roll over and let the likes of Mike Slive and
other cowbell-haters dictate when our traditions are viable. I will do
what is asked of me for these last two games, but I expect Scott
Stricklin, Dan Mullen and the entire Bulldog Nation to go to bat for the
cowbell after the season.

It is my sincere hope that this rule makes it past the one year mark.
That will be a step in the right direction, but it is by no means
satisfactory. The rule is flawed, and it will continue to be a point of
contention until it is amended to allow MSU fans to show their spirit
at reasonable and realistic times.

I'll get down off my soapbox now, but just know that the soapbox isn't going anywhere, and neither is my cowbell.
 

TBonewannabe

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I have never heard a coach say that our cowbells affect them at any time. Maybe they don't have the balls to publicly say it but in private they are bitching like little girls. It is amazing that this only comes up when our football teams get really competitive in the SEC.
 

patdog

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bands, PA systems, etc. are allowed. I mean, what is the band anyway but artificial noise? Hell, the cowbell is even an instrument in a band (especially Blue Oyster Cult). And I do think Stricklin needs to push for that. But I think you're completely wrong in saying he's got a "simple, mewling, obsequious "Please sir? Let us have some more cowbell, sir?"" He's fighting this issue as hard as he can. But you've got to realize that when you're dealing with 11 people who have no motive at all to side with you that a full-frontal in-your-face negotiation is going to backfire on you every time. You have to use tact, imagination, and creativity. You also have to realize that when you can't get a complete win, you should settle for a partial win, then live up to your side of the deal and go back later to try to get more.

You also couldn't possibly be more wrong about this.
I think regardless of the outcome of this trial period you will NOT silence cowbells.
As I've pointed out before, it's very, very easy to keep cowbells out of Scott Field. And if we provoke the rest of the SEC too much, they can easily make it too expensive for us to even consider not keeping the bells out of Scott Field.
 

slickdawg

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after all, they are artificial noisemakers. <div>
</div><div>By the gestapo's rule - ALL ARTIFICAL NOISEMAKERS are prohibited.</div>
 

MrHooch

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patdog said:
bands, PA systems, etc. are allowed. I mean, what is the band anyway but artificial noise? Hell, the cowbell is even an instrument in a band (especially Blue Oyster Cult). And I do think Stricklin needs to push for that. <span style="font-weight: bold;">But I think you're completely wrong in saying he's got a "simple, mewling, obsequious "Please sir? Let us have some more cowbell, sir?""</span>
<span style="font-style: italic;">I didn't say that's what he's saying, I said I don't want to see that happen. Actually I think what I said is I expect more than that...</span>

He's fighting this issue as hard as he can. But you've got to realize that when you're dealing with 11 people who have no motive at all to side with you that a full-frontal in-your-face negotiation is going to backfire on you every time. You have to use tact, imagination, and creativity. <span style="font-weight: bold;">You also have to realize that when you can't get a complete win, you should settle for a partial win, then live up to your side of the deal and go back later to try to get more.</span>
<span style="font-style: italic;">That pretty much sums up my whole post, thanks.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold;">You also couldn't possibly be more wrong about this.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
I think regardless of the outcome of this trial period you will NOT silence cowbells.
<span style="font-weight: bold;"> As I've pointed out before, it's very, very easy to keep cowbells out of Scott Field. And if we provoke the rest of the SEC too much, they can easily make it too expensive for us to even consider not keeping the bells out of Scott Field.</span>
<span style="font-style: italic;">You have about as much idea of what's going to happen as me or anybody else, Nostradamus... so sell that crap somewhere else. I guarantee you right now, no matter what happens to the legalization of cowbells there will ALWAYS be cowbells at Davis Wade Stadium. So tell me why your definitive statement outweighs mine...?</span>
 

patdog

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All it takes to eliminate 98% of the cowbells in Scott Field is simple wand-type metal detectors at the gates and confiscation. They're used at LOTS of sporting and entertainment events so don't even begin to think they're not feasible. They are and they're simple to use. You people are living in a dream world if you think the SEC can't get rid of the cowbells. They never have before because they haven't been as serious about it as they are now. I don't know if they're serious enough about it to raise the fines to the level it would take for that, but the fact there are fines at all shows that they're taking it pretty seriously.
 

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hooch1275 said:
<span style="font-style: italic;">You have about as much idea of what's going to happen as me or anybody else, Nostradamus... so sell that crap somewhere else. I guarantee you right now, no matter what happens to the legalization of cowbells there will ALWAYS be cowbells at Davis Wade Stadium. So tell me why your definitive statement outweighs mine...?</span>
Let's say the SEC changes the fine to $250,000 per game. In a 6-game home season, that brings our fine to $1.5 million in future seasons. You think our fans are going to keep bringing bells that cost our school $1,500,000? I don't think so.

95% of bell-ringers would stop. The other 5% will be kicked out of the stadium.
 

MrHooch

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I'm telling you I'm going to play by the rules for the last two games, so please stop whining at me. I swear it's like some of you won't be happy until we THINK the same **** you think. Get over yourself...
 

MrHooch

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FlabLoser said:
hooch1275 said:
<span style="font-style: italic;">You have about as much idea of what's going to happen as me or anybody else, Nostradamus... so sell that crap somewhere else. I guarantee you right now, no matter what happens to the legalization of cowbells there will ALWAYS be cowbells at Davis Wade Stadium. So tell me why your definitive statement outweighs mine...?</span>
Let's say the SEC changes the fine to $250,000 per game. In a 6-game home season, that brings our fine to $1.5 million in future seasons. You think our fans are going to keep bringing bells that cost our school $1,500,000? I don't think so.

95% of bell-ringers would stop. The other 5% will be kicked out of the stadium.
if 5, 25, and $30,000 fines don't stop our fans, I doubt that million dollar price tags would do much either. Some fans just don't see it in those terms.

And please, PLEASE tell me the SEC is going to try to fine MSU $1.5 million for having a few rebellious fans smuggle some bells into a game and ring them. This would be exactly what we need to thrust this matter into the national spotlight and show the whole country how heavy-handed Slive and the SEC really are...

I really don't know what more you crybabies want from me... I already said I am going to follow the rules to the letter for the last two games. I think some of you just aren't happy unless you're bitching about somebody else.
 

MrHooch

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and actually knows how to ring a bell on the sly because he's been doing it for years so the chances of some rent-a-cop finding his bell are pretty 17ing low unless he gets sold out by his fellow fans.<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">

</span>fixed that for you...<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">
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It's pansies like Patdog who think that (for the 5th time in my life) the SEC is finally going to take the bells away for good that leave us in a bad bargaining position. People who would be willing to only ring the bell between quarters and only from the ladies restroom and still feel like they have "won" something are the problem not the solution. I'm willing to follow the rules for now but ultimately I think we need to stand up and fight for this. I think there are a lot of ways you could fight this, I for one would try to tie fines to ALL illegal activity at all schools. Including alcohol being brought into the stadium. Let's see how eager LSU is to vote for a rule where they could be fined if the SEC sees alcohol in the stands. Why is this one rule the only one with fines associated to it?