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Hell, they don't have any money. Stadium is 45 minutes away from campus. They proved they will fire you in a heart beat.
Give Mullen / Staff the money. Work on improving our stadium and digs and see if we can start running with the big boys year in and out.
Give Mullen / Staff the money. Work on improving our stadium and digs and see if we can start running with the big boys year in and out.
You don't have to recruit outside of Dade County to have a great team. You still have to recruit and have a clue how to coach, but the talent pool is so deep in South Florida.
Mullen I believe uses a 500 mile radius as his focal point at MSU. You can use a 50 or 100 mile radius at Miami and get more talent.
The stadium isn't good. The support isn't good. It never has been, but Miami has had two long runs at greatness in the past 30 years simply because of the talent in the area.
Also, at MSU, you will never be competing with the big boys year in and year out. It's been 50 years now with a Big 6 in the SEC hogging all of the SEC titles. That isn't going to change just because one program decides to commit money to a program or one program makes a good hire. There are other factors in play that separate the top half of the SEC from the bottom half. You can compete above your program level temporarily, but you can't make it last long term. It took me a long time to figure that out, but it's just the way of the world.
That's why you (and we) have to enjoy the good years when they come and hope that we can do what we can to keep the down years to a minimum, and maybe we can have the stars align every so often to have a really great year. We aren't Alabama or LSU for a reason, and it isn't a lack of commitment or effort.
Mullen I believe uses a 500 mile radius as his focal point at MSU. You can use a 50 or 100 mile radius at Miami and get more talent.
The stadium isn't good. The support isn't good. It never has been, but Miami has had two long runs at greatness in the past 30 years simply because of the talent in the area.
Also, at MSU, you will never be competing with the big boys year in and year out. It's been 50 years now with a Big 6 in the SEC hogging all of the SEC titles. That isn't going to change just because one program decides to commit money to a program or one program makes a good hire. There are other factors in play that separate the top half of the SEC from the bottom half. You can compete above your program level temporarily, but you can't make it last long term. It took me a long time to figure that out, but it's just the way of the world.
That's why you (and we) have to enjoy the good years when they come and hope that we can do what we can to keep the down years to a minimum, and maybe we can have the stars align every so often to have a really great year. We aren't Alabama or LSU for a reason, and it isn't a lack of commitment or effort.
Please Lord in Heaven, I am on my knees and begging you; make Dan Mullen take this job in Miami. Or, for that matter, any job.
Mullen's not going anywhere in my opinion at least this year, but to pretend the Miami job wouldn't be a desirable position for a head coach is a joke.
There are drawbacks, but Dade County tends to make up for most of the drawbacks, which is why that program has had the success it has. The draw to Miami sure isn't support or facilities. Miami is the classic argument for why recruiting base is the single most important factor for a program's potential success. You can change your coaches. You can build facilities. You can't change your recruiting base, and you really can't sustain long term success without a good base.
You can have a flash in the pan short term success without a recruiting base, but you won't sustain it long term. You still have to recruit that base, but it's foolish to think that Ole Miss/MSU, despite how much we put into it, will ever be as attractive to a coach as a job like LSU where recruiting is so much easier.
For me it was right around the time when we were firing Cutcliffe that I came to that realization. That's why the last two years I enjoyed our Cotton Bowl trips and Top 25 finishes and didn't take them for granted. That's about the pinnacle for us unless the stars align for us to do something greater, and even then it wouldn't last more than a couple years at most.
There are drawbacks, but Dade County tends to make up for most of the drawbacks, which is why that program has had the success it has. The draw to Miami sure isn't support or facilities. Miami is the classic argument for why recruiting base is the single most important factor for a program's potential success. You can change your coaches. You can build facilities. You can't change your recruiting base, and you really can't sustain long term success without a good base.
You can have a flash in the pan short term success without a recruiting base, but you won't sustain it long term. You still have to recruit that base, but it's foolish to think that Ole Miss/MSU, despite how much we put into it, will ever be as attractive to a coach as a job like LSU where recruiting is so much easier.
For me it was right around the time when we were firing Cutcliffe that I came to that realization. That's why the last two years I enjoyed our Cotton Bowl trips and Top 25 finishes and didn't take them for granted. That's about the pinnacle for us unless the stars align for us to do something greater, and even then it wouldn't last more than a couple years at most.
you could say the same thing about Memphis as far asrecruitingand a radius of 10 miles. I just don't see Mullen going to Miami. But i do see a UM poster playing up every coaching opening that comes along from Colorado to Miami and everywhere in between. That's all i'm saying
1) I think Colorado wants an enthusiastic young man to take over as HC...not a middle aged burnout like Nutt.
2) Sorry, don't know enough about Malzahn to make a prediction about his fate.
3) It has always been my belief that Mullen--when & if he leaves--will hand the HC reigns over to Diaz. That is, if MSU approves the transition. This is my prediction, which are no more stupid or straight out of the *** than your predictions.
2) Sorry, don't know enough about Malzahn to make a prediction about his fate.
3) It has always been my belief that Mullen--when & if he leaves--will hand the HC reigns over to Diaz. That is, if MSU approves the transition. This is my prediction, which are no more stupid or straight out of the *** than your predictions.
Memphis is nowhere near the size of Miami, and the culture is completely different.
In Memphis, it's all about basketball. You can build a top notch basketball program recruiting just the city.
In Miami, the culture is all about football. It's much different. The top athletes play football in Miami typically. The top athletes play basketball in Memphis.
Even if all the top athletes in Memphis grew up playing football first, you still wouldn't have near the talent base that exists in Miami.
In Memphis, it's all about basketball. You can build a top notch basketball program recruiting just the city.
In Miami, the culture is all about football. It's much different. The top athletes play football in Miami typically. The top athletes play basketball in Memphis.
Even if all the top athletes in Memphis grew up playing football first, you still wouldn't have near the talent base that exists in Miami.
I agree thatFloridais hotbed for footballtalent. But why has "The U" been so mediocre in the last couple years if talent is so bountiful? Is Randy Shannon that bad? Why is UF having a down year? Whyisn'tFSU a NCcontender? <div>
</div><div>According to you (and all the people that think Mullen is going to Miami), the top 3 teams in America should perennially be UM, FSU, and UF because the talent there is unmatched. Why in the hell are they not?</div><div>
</div><div>IMO, this whole "Dan would bestupidnot to go to Miami because of the talent" argumentis over simplified andridiculous.Hell, I think Mullen will have the same pulling power in Mississippi that Miles hasLouisianasooner than later.</div>
</div><div>According to you (and all the people that think Mullen is going to Miami), the top 3 teams in America should perennially be UM, FSU, and UF because the talent there is unmatched. Why in the hell are they not?</div><div>
</div><div>IMO, this whole "Dan would bestupidnot to go to Miami because of the talent" argumentis over simplified andridiculous.Hell, I think Mullen will have the same pulling power in Mississippi that Miles hasLouisianasooner than later.</div>
Florida has won 2 national titles recently... FSU has had its issues with coaching and recruiting (which seems to be turning around.. they could very well be in the Orange Bowl come New Years) and they're a couple of plays (plus some QB injuries) away from being 11-1 instead of 9-3.... Miami won the NC in 01 and were a play away from winning it again in 03.. plus talent isn't everything.. coaching has something to do with it too and so does luck
and it stilldoesn'tchange the fact that you and every UM fan wants our coach gone. That's all i'm trying to say. And please stop making me prove a negative. I'm old and getting tired
I said perennial power. And lately, only 1 of them has been. <div>
</div><div>People make is sound like all you have to do is hold a clipboard on the sidelines in the state of Florida and you're guaranteed to win championships. How could FSU EVER have "issues with recruiting"?</div>
</div><div>People make is sound like all you have to do is hold a clipboard on the sidelines in the state of Florida and you're guaranteed to win championships. How could FSU EVER have "issues with recruiting"?</div>
is a lot more diluted than it was when Miami was on top. UCF and USF are legitimate mid major programs. USF has flirted with better than that recently. FIU and FAU are trying to get into the mix too. Some of the guys that used to go to UF, FSU,or UM and be backups are now giving one of those programs, esp USF and UCF a shot. The out of state raiders have hit South Florida pretty jhard recently too. Heck, RUTGERSbetter teams a few years ago had a BUNCH of south Florida guys.
He tried, successfully I might add, to clean up the program.
They were 3rd in the nation in graduation rate behind Army and Navy. They had I think one player arrested on his watch, according to what I read. Part of the Miami culture is knowing that you're going to have to take some chances on the Dade County guys.
Shannon, by the way, is the classic example of how much discipline and academics matter in college football. Coaches pay lip service to it, but if you don't win, it doesn't matter how clean or academically strong your program has been, even at a program with as little support as Miami has. That's another subject though.
Miami was rebuilt under Butch Davis. Coker rode his coattails, but he got lazy and let the recruiting slide. They replaced him with Shannon who tried to clean the program up and did, but couldn't win at a high rate while doing it. Bottom line, you have to accept some of the ills to win at Miami, but if you're willing to put up with it, you'll have a great shot to win big.
And no, there aren't many other cities like Miami out there. Most inner-city cultures in big cities are big into basketball. Miami is one of the few cities where the inner-city population pushes football on its youth. Youth football in Miami is huge, which is why that area is always loaded with talent.
They were 3rd in the nation in graduation rate behind Army and Navy. They had I think one player arrested on his watch, according to what I read. Part of the Miami culture is knowing that you're going to have to take some chances on the Dade County guys.
Shannon, by the way, is the classic example of how much discipline and academics matter in college football. Coaches pay lip service to it, but if you don't win, it doesn't matter how clean or academically strong your program has been, even at a program with as little support as Miami has. That's another subject though.
Miami was rebuilt under Butch Davis. Coker rode his coattails, but he got lazy and let the recruiting slide. They replaced him with Shannon who tried to clean the program up and did, but couldn't win at a high rate while doing it. Bottom line, you have to accept some of the ills to win at Miami, but if you're willing to put up with it, you'll have a great shot to win big.
And no, there aren't many other cities like Miami out there. Most inner-city cultures in big cities are big into basketball. Miami is one of the few cities where the inner-city population pushes football on its youth. Youth football in Miami is huge, which is why that area is always loaded with talent.
Slumdawg said:
Not sure which polls you are looking at, but we finished in the Top 25 in both 2008 and 2009 in the postseason rankings. We finished No. 20 in the AP and No. 21 in the Coaches in 2009, and in 2008 we finished No. 14 in the AP and No. 15 in the Coaches
http://espn.go.com/colleg...all/rankings/_/year/2009
http://espn.go.com/colleg..._/year/2008/seasontype/3
The point is still that those seasons aren't the norm.