My thoughts on last night's game(kinda long)

Sutterkane

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I am far from a basketball expert like peaches, but....

Everyone seemed to play with a lot better effort for whatever reason. Every time someone got the ball that Stewart was guarding, I expected them to get stripped of it. There was not one person that I thought had a bad game, except maybe Bost, and even then it wasn't "bad" by any sorts.

Still, Dee is starting to remind me a lot of Gary Ervin. I know his left hand is hurt, but the only way I've seen him drive is with his right hand. The last 3 games, it seems like he drives in with his right hand to get right under the basket, and then either can't finish or he tries some wild pass back to the 3 point line that inevitably gets stolen very easily or swatted out of bounds on the baseline. At the same time, he did a pretty good job on fast breaks last night of not outrunning everybody and we had some decent high percentage shots because of it. It's a shame that we don't have many people who can alley-oop because I think Dee throws up a good chance for that most of the time when he tries it. I worry about having Dee next year without Barry there to keep him in check for game pace.

I really liked the 3 forward lineup toward the end of the game. It gave us a lot of size on the inside against a team who doesn't shoot from the perimeter very well. Plus, both of our 4s are guys with 4 size who play like 3s. They are both pretty quick and have decent jump shots. It was a lot better than having Ravern in on one of the wings in the zone and him getting beat every time by his man going around him. Romero and Kodi could be a good 4-5 next year, and after last night I feel a lot better about our inside game for next year if we don't have Sidney (likely) especially with Bailey coming back for depth. I think Osby has matured a lot this year and looks better every single game. I think Stans realized this last night and he got a lot of 2nd half minutes because of it (or it seemed like it to me).

Here's the thing about Ravern. If he added like 20-30 lbs and learned to play defense he could play in the league. He's got good ups, height, and can shoot 3s and has good range for them too. He's like a Shan Foster that doesn't play defense and is very streaky at times. I just had a seizure typing that name. Also, for a basketball player he probably has worse hands than big feces, and that's saying something. Every time he dribbles the ball and it isn't on a drive to the basket, I cringe. I've seen toddlers dribble better than that.

I have no idea why Benock gets any minutes.

All that said I still don't see us making the tournament. This was probably the best game we've played all year, and it was a rivalry game. I don't see us beating UK, South Carolina, or UT (when was the last time we won at Thompson-Boling?). At best that puts us at 9-7. That won't be enough, and I personally think Stans will have to go. If you would've been asked at the beginning of this year if we should fire Stans if we don't make the tournament, what would you have said? If you said you were ok with the NIT, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">you suck</span>.

Our coach next year will inherit a pretty talented, veteran team and will have a legit chance at winning the SEC if he's a good enough Xs and Os coach. Worst case, we're looking at Kodi, Osby, Bailey, Lewis, and Riek on the inside, with 2 of them able to play the 3 somewhat. Ravern, Bost, Smith, Beckham, Turner, and Benock(barf) for guards. That's still a solid team with the right offensive mind. Not world beaters, but should be good enough to make it to the tournament.
 

mstatefan88

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But I agree we will have trouble with the style defense Tennessee plays. I hate the 3 forward lineup because Kodi and Osby are liabilities on the defensive end, and both are slower than most of the guys they match up against. I think Dee still hasn't gotten over that groin injury from earlier in the year, and combine that with the hand against Vandy, and about2 months ago when I think he rolled over on his ankle, I think he's hurt worse than hes letting on, and it's affecting his play. And you are crazy if you think Stansbury gets fired this year for a 9 and 7 SEC record. I may not like a 9 and 7 record, but Stansbury will have to do worse than 9 and 7 if he's gonna get fired.
 

RonnyAtmosphere

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Our coach next year will inherit a pretty talented, veteran team and will have a legit chance at winning the SEC if he's a good enough Xs and Os coach.
Actually "our coach next year" will be out a ball swatting machine &a fairly reliable player in Randy Stewart.

State's talent level nextyear will be roughly the same (provided if somebody can step in for Jarvis & do what he does on defense, which is highly doubtful). In other words, there will not be the talent to win the SEC next year, no matter who the coach is.

Your take is pretty delusional.
 

Sutterkane

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You don't return everyone that started from the previous year and regress. In case you forgot, we were supposed to contend for the SEC this year, not go 9-7 again and have to win the SECT to make it to the dance aGAIN.

Losing 2 4-year seniors is huge but nothing a <span style="font-style: italic;">good coach</span> shouldn't be able to patch up. If we returned everybody and regressed this year, you think we'll make the tournament next year losing 2 guys? Everybody is saying we need to make the tournament next year or he's fired. What makes you think losing 2 of our best players that he'll do that? I have every confidence in the ninja to go out and get a better coach. I have generally been a big fan of stans but this year is a disaster.
 

MSUArrowCS

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This seems pretty obvious ... he usually subs in when Dee checks out, and picks up Barry's man (the other team's best perimeter player) or the point. When he stays in for longer, it's usually because Ravern's man is ripping him a new one. He also handles the ball pretty well.<div>
</div><div>Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have Osby or Ravern in for his minutes, but until they get better defensively, I'll take Riley for 10 mins/game.</div>
 

Coach34

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that to this point the job Stansbury has done this year is truly awful, he wont be fired for not making the Tourney this season. He will be put on notice to tighten up or make some changes though. He's going to have to miss the Tourney next year too for the Ninja to work his magic. Stansbury actually has some money guys behind him after 20 years on campus. And its going to take next year's missing out too to get it done
 

RonnyAtmosphere

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MSU would have a legit chance at winning the SEC [next year] if he's [the new coach] a good enough Xs and Os coach.

That take has no basis in reality.


I don't even think coach34 would go this far out on the limb.


You also said MSU will not make the tournament this year (hysterical conjecture at this point), that this season has been a disaster (hysterical conjecture at this point) & that Stansbury's replacement next year will have the talent to win the SEC (pure dumb conjecture).

I do not want to get into a pissing contest, but you are saying some pretty wild things that beg to be addressed.
 

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You nuts are fools if Rick wins the west again this year ,and he has a shot, and you think Greg will fire him. I am so happy he is the AD and you are couch potatoes. We need a little help but if Bama beats Ark Saturday, I predict we win or tie for the SEC west title and we have the tie breaker on the Rebs so it comes down to us and the Piggies. Next two games are big for MSU and if we beat KY and Tn, we will make the dance with 5 quality wins vs UM(twice) Old Dominion, Ky, and Tn. Also, Richmond will make the dance too so that is a pretty good win.
 

Sutterkane

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Especially playing 3 games in 6 days.

Also, Richmond will be a hard case for the NCAA considering we did not win that game.
 

dawgman42

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Cranston and Holloway stonewalled him like crazy last night, and other forwards do it to him constantly. His defense, even when he is on ball, is terrible. I think Stans has to play him, because it's not like Beckham or Smith are going to suit up for us.

I see his minutes as non-existent next year. At least, I hope so.
 

Sutterkane

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We had plenty of people on here saying we had a chance to win the SEC this year, this was before Sidney was even committed to us.
 

MSUArrowCS

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or even a good defender, but it's pretty clear that's his main role on the team, and that's why he's getting minutes. His defense is still much better than Ravern's and Romero's, even on the screens.<div>
</div><div><div>Thinking about next year seems a little early, but if Smith is a solid defender and Twanny comes back healthy, we should definitely be much deeper.</div><div>
</div><div>I know one thing, though. Benock isn't losing us any games. He's not great, but he's the 8th guy off the bench and plays quality minutes. Why are we even whining about Benock being a ****** player while Kodi is playing 20 minutes/game and shooting 20%, Dee is playing with his head up his ***, and our best post defender is 6'3"?</div></div>
 

Hanmudog

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dawgman42 said:
Cranston and Holloway stonewalled him like crazy last night, and other forwards do it to him constantly. His defense, even when he is on ball, is terrible. I think Stans has to play him, because it's not like Beckham or Smith are going to suit up for us.

I see his minutes as non-existent next year. At least, I hope so.

Are 100% full of ****. Benock is probably only behind Stewart and Turner for being a good defender (Jarvis is in a different category). Say what you will about the rest of his game but Benock busts his *** on defense and has done a good job this season. Some of you just like to ***** about a white guy being on the floor.
 

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if some of yal think rick will be gone if we dont reach the ncaa tourney yal are going to be quite mad. Now i agree the season is not where i wanted it to be. The losses early in the season and the looses to bama and ark are going to hurt us. if im byrne i look at this season almost as a football team. something is not clicking. So i tell rick that he has to let some assistants go. Rick you need to go out and bring in a proven coach on the scoring side who has a good understanding of x's and o's. And if rick does not want to fire anybody then we have a problem. We have had the same assistant coaches for years. and to me that means are coaches are not very good. yes kirby has said to be the front runner for smaller jobs but he never gets them. if your running a good program your assistants should be leaving for better jobs.
 

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Dawgbreeze said:
You nuts are fools if Rick wins the west again this year ,and he has a shot, and you think Greg will fire him. I am so happy he is the AD and you are couch potatoes. We need a little help but if Bama beats Ark Saturday, I predict we win or tie for the SEC west title and we have the tie breaker on the Rebs so it comes down to us and the Piggies. Next two games are big for MSU and if we beat KY and Tn, we will make the dance with 5 quality wins vs UM(twice) Old Dominion, Ky, and Tn. Also, Richmond will make the dance too so that is a pretty good win.

hmmm....