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First of all- Dan Mullen WTF? Seriously. First of all, you are not at Florida anymore. You can call Steve Spurrier for pointers on how to deal with life with a team that lacks 4 and 5 star players at every position. Bottom line, we turned the ball over four times, gave up a punt return and STILL had them by the balls, and after Anthony Dixon was plowing over LSU, you decide to get cute for some God unknown reason. Now, your defenders may say that Dixon got stopped the on first and second down, which is true, but even then AD made forward progress, and one more plunge and I'm taunting some corndogs.

And that jump pass wouldn't have been so bad, except for the fact that that you decided to try to sneak it in with a midget on fourth down instead of your 6'3" running QB, Chris Relf. Thanks a lot, dumbass. So much for you dance with who brought you there. Instead, you ditched your prom queen for the school midget.

I don't mind creativity at all, but there is a time and place for it. Down by 6 to a team that you haven't beaten in 10 years, not to mention in a game where a win would have given your team a ton of momentum, is not the time. Stansfield- I hope your happy. I however, am not. Hell, Croom knew to give it to Dixon in that situation, and it would have worked. He did it in the Liberty Bowl, although that could have quite possibly come from Wes Carroll or Rocky Felker, but I digress.

Now, don't get me wrong here- I don't think Mullen is going to be anywhere near Croom's level of stupidity it irrational thinking. That would actually take quite a bit of work. I'm not saying he should be fired or anything like that, either, but strike one. And yes, he called a great game up until that point, but the point remains, this should have been a win. So, again, strike one. You choked and so did your team.

OK, now to my next point- to the fans who clapped for our team after the game- <17> you. Anyone who isn't pissed about this, should have their BC points revoked. All of this- "Well, we had a chance to win this year! We kept it close! That's progress! Yea!"- I say this ********. You play to win the game, we should have won this game, and we didn't because we <17'n> decided to get cute. No excuse. But....he's doing this with Croom's players, and Croom left the cupboard bare, and we have a midget at QB". True, and that's on Croom for sure. But the fact remains that we have a 235 pound TB who was dragging LSU all the way down the field and I'm about 98% sure that he would have scored. Not to mention the fact that Mullen should have beaten this team with said players, including said midget, who played like absolute crap. Which brings me to my next point.

It is an embrassment to SEC football, and MSU football that we are trotting this <17'n> midget out there and are playing him at QB. Now, I'm sure that Tyson is a "nice kid", he's smart, and may very well be telling me what to do one day as I know he wants to be a MD. But it makes my stomach turn to watch him trot out there and hear everyone say "Oh, he's just so...small." I wonder if part of our problem with our WR's dropping passes is because they can't see him- and Lee can't see them. It makes me even more sick because we actually have some pretty decent players out there. All I have to say is, I can't wait for him to graduate because at least if we started Relf, we would have someone that at least passes the eye test and looks like they should be out there. And the sad thing about Relf- you can't beat this guy out. I have never, ever seen anyone who makes more crappy decisions on running the option than he. He'll just pitch whenever.

All in all, thanks Dan, for a really ****** day, and for providing me with one of the most heartbreaking losses I have ever seen thanks to your asshattery. Spread the Fun indeed- to the rest of the SEC. Congrats on managing to get outcoached by Les Miles. To me that's a much greater feat than actually beating LSU.
 
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First of all- Dan Mullen WTF? Seriously. First of all, you are not at Florida anymore. You can call Steve Spurrier for pointers on how to deal with life with a team that lacks 4 and 5 star players at every position. Bottom line, we turned the ball over four times, gave up a punt return and STILL had them by the balls, and after Anthony Dixon was plowing over LSU, you decide to get cute for some God unknown reason. Now, your defenders may say that Dixon got stopped the on first and second down, which is true, but even then AD made forward progress, and one more plunge and I'm taunting some corndogs.

And that jump pass wouldn't have been so bad, except for the fact that that you decided to try to sneak it in with a midget on fourth down instead of your 6'3" running QB, Chris Relf. Thanks a lot, dumbass. So much for you dance with who brought you there. Instead, you ditched your prom queen for the school midget.

I don't mind creativity at all, but there is a time and place for it. Down by 6 to a team that you haven't beaten in 10 years, not to mention in a game where a win would have given your team a ton of momentum, is not the time. Stansfield- I hope your happy. I however, am not. Hell, Croom knew to give it to Dixon in that situation, and it would have worked. He did it in the Liberty Bowl, although that could have quite possibly come from Wes Carroll or Rocky Felker, but I digress.

Now, don't get me wrong here- I don't think Mullen is going to be anywhere near Croom's level of stupidity it irrational thinking. That would actually take quite a bit of work. I'm not saying he should be fired or anything like that, either, but strike one. And yes, he called a great game up until that point, but the point remains, this should have been a win. So, again, strike one. You choked and so did your team.

OK, now to my next point- to the fans who clapped for our team after the game- <17> you. Anyone who isn't pissed about this, should have their BC points revoked. All of this- "Well, we had a chance to win this year! We kept it close! That's progress! Yea!"- I say this ********. You play to win the game, we should have won this game, and we didn't because we <17'n> decided to get cute. No excuse. But....he's doing this with Croom's players, and Croom left the cupboard bare, and we have a midget at QB". True, and that's on Croom for sure. But the fact remains that we have a 235 pound TB who was dragging LSU all the way down the field and I'm about 98% sure that he would have scored. Not to mention the fact that Mullen should have beaten this team with said players, including said midget, who played like absolute crap. Which brings me to my next point.

It is an embrassment to SEC football, and MSU football that we are trotting this <17'n> midget out there and are playing him at QB. Now, I'm sure that Tyson is a "nice kid", he's smart, and may very well be telling me what to do one day as I know he wants to be a MD. But it makes my stomach turn to watch him trot out there and hear everyone say "Oh, he's just so...small." I wonder if part of our problem with our WR's dropping passes is because they can't see him- and Lee can't see them. It makes me even more sick because we actually have some pretty decent players out there. All I have to say is, I can't wait for him to graduate because at least if we started Relf, we would have someone that at least passes the eye test and looks like they should be out there. And the sad thing about Relf- you can't beat this guy out. I have never, ever seen anyone who makes more crappy decisions on running the option than he. He'll just pitch whenever.

All in all, thanks Dan, for a really ****** day, and for providing me with one of the most heartbreaking losses I have ever seen thanks to your asshattery. Spread the Fun indeed- to the rest of the SEC. Congrats on managing to get outcoached by Les Miles. To me that's a much greater feat than actually beating LSU.
 
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First of all- Dan Mullen WTF? Seriously. First of all, you are not at Florida anymore. You can call Steve Spurrier for pointers on how to deal with life with a team that lacks 4 and 5 star players at every position. Bottom line, we turned the ball over four times, gave up a punt return and STILL had them by the balls, and after Anthony Dixon was plowing over LSU, you decide to get cute for some God unknown reason. Now, your defenders may say that Dixon got stopped the on first and second down, which is true, but even then AD made forward progress, and one more plunge and I'm taunting some corndogs.

And that jump pass wouldn't have been so bad, except for the fact that that you decided to try to sneak it in with a midget on fourth down instead of your 6'3" running QB, Chris Relf. Thanks a lot, dumbass. So much for you dance with who brought you there. Instead, you ditched your prom queen for the school midget.

I don't mind creativity at all, but there is a time and place for it. Down by 6 to a team that you haven't beaten in 10 years, not to mention in a game where a win would have given your team a ton of momentum, is not the time. Stansfield- I hope your happy. I however, am not. Hell, Croom knew to give it to Dixon in that situation, and it would have worked. He did it in the Liberty Bowl, although that could have quite possibly come from Wes Carroll or Rocky Felker, but I digress.

Now, don't get me wrong here- I don't think Mullen is going to be anywhere near Croom's level of stupidity it irrational thinking. That would actually take quite a bit of work. I'm not saying he should be fired or anything like that, either, but strike one. And yes, he called a great game up until that point, but the point remains, this should have been a win. So, again, strike one. You choked and so did your team.

OK, now to my next point- to the fans who clapped for our team after the game- <17> you. Anyone who isn't pissed about this, should have their BC points revoked. All of this- "Well, we had a chance to win this year! We kept it close! That's progress! Yea!"- I say this ********. You play to win the game, we should have won this game, and we didn't because we <17'n> decided to get cute. No excuse. But....he's doing this with Croom's players, and Croom left the cupboard bare, and we have a midget at QB". True, and that's on Croom for sure. But the fact remains that we have a 235 pound TB who was dragging LSU all the way down the field and I'm about 98% sure that he would have scored. Not to mention the fact that Mullen should have beaten this team with said players, including said midget, who played like absolute crap. Which brings me to my next point.

It is an embrassment to SEC football, and MSU football that we are trotting this <17'n> midget out there and are playing him at QB. Now, I'm sure that Tyson is a "nice kid", he's smart, and may very well be telling me what to do one day as I know he wants to be a MD. But it makes my stomach turn to watch him trot out there and hear everyone say "Oh, he's just so...small." I wonder if part of our problem with our WR's dropping passes is because they can't see him- and Lee can't see them. It makes me even more sick because we actually have some pretty decent players out there. All I have to say is, I can't wait for him to graduate because at least if we started Relf, we would have someone that at least passes the eye test and looks like they should be out there. And the sad thing about Relf- you can't beat this guy out. I have never, ever seen anyone who makes more crappy decisions on running the option than he. He'll just pitch whenever.

All in all, thanks Dan, for a really ****** day, and for providing me with one of the most heartbreaking losses I have ever seen thanks to your asshattery. Spread the Fun indeed- to the rest of the SEC. Congrats on managing to get outcoached by Les Miles. To me that's a much greater feat than actually beating LSU.
 
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Agree if Dan puts Relf in at the end, we win.

Turnovers....

The pick 6 on the first play of the game should have been caught be Ducre. LSU got a lucky bounce there. Major props to the team for not letting this affect them. It was an awful thing to happen on the first play of the damn game.

The deep ball interception thrown to Wilder was under-thrown. I fault Lee for that much. He doesn't have the arm to throw that pass. But it was just as much Wilder's fault for making no effort to make a play on the ball. He should have tried to catch it. At minimum, he should have tried preventing the other guy from catching it. It would have been easy for him to out-jump the guy and at least swat the ball.

But the team deserves some props. They have improved a hell of a lot.
 
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I read about 4 paragraphs of whining and ********.

We statistically dominated the game. Had 21 minutes of possession in the 2nd half. Held them to 30 yards rushing. Had the ball with a shot to win the game against freaking LSU. First time in 9 years we've even led them. We make 3 inches, we're dancing in the streets. Would you still be bitching? Get the sand out of your *****. We have 1/2 the talent of LSU - how in the 17 can you say Mullen was outcoached? Yeah, we should've won, but hell, I thought I'd be halfway back to Memphis by the beginning of the 4th quarter. Instead, we were thisclose to beating them. The progress we have made is astonishing. We didn't execute at the end, plain and simple.
 
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Have you been going games for the past nine years? Have you not seen other team's fans laughing at us? Have you seen everyone arriving late and leaving early? How in the world can you not feel better about this team than two years ago when we got blown out 45-0? I do not like to lose, but, dear Lord, at least we can see improvement and feel good about the rest of the season -- which is something, even in 2007, I NEVER truly felt good about. You must be drunk because I usually agree and enjoy your posts.
 
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Todd4State

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were pretty bad today, and they were against Vandy. I'm just not sure how much of it is on them, and how much of it is on the QB. I suspect it's some of both.
 
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Todd, I generally agree with most of you post, but not this one...yes we are all in pain over this loss, but moving in the right direction!
 
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Dominating LSU in the stats when most expected another blow is a huge plus. At this point, Mullen has the train back on the tracks and we'll be competitive next year and on. The jump pass was a good call b/c it was open-it just wasn't executed.</p>

Lee failed on the final two plays when we needed him to execute. I would have handed the ball to AD then pitched to AD on the option</p>
 
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It is incomprehensible to me how someone that has watched the last 8 years of ******** football can be anything but optimistic after today's game. It sucks that we were right there and couldn't put it in, but Jeebus Q. Tapdancing Christ, we haven't even belonged on the same field as LSU since 2000. Every game since then has been over after one quarter. Today, we looked like a real football team. And I know one damn thing - we are done being an easy win for anyone. That **** is over.

Mullen and the staff did a great job in my book.
 
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because it would have meant that our coach didn't make some dumbass calls at the end of the game to blow it.

I don't understand the inferiority complex some people have about LSU's football team. Yeah, they were awesome with Saban, but it's pretty obvious that they are on a downswing. Personally, going into this game, I thought it would be close. And I was right. Heck, we kept it within, what? Two TD's last year on the road with Croom taking a knee right before the half when we were moving the ball.

If Mullen had made the same play calls if we were down by two, sans the fourth down call of course, or ahead, I would have been OK with it. But when you're down by six, with about a minute left, you better make make sure you get a TD. And if Tyson was supposed to pitch it on an option play, again, why not just hand it off to Dixon up the middle? Why take the chance on a bad pitch or getting strung out and tackled for a loss?
 
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Indndawg said:
Dominating LSU in the stats when most expected another blow is a huge plus. At this point, Mullen has the train back on the tracks and we'll be
competitive next year and on. The jump pass was a good call b/c it was open-it just wasn't executed.</p>

Lee failed on the final two plays when we needed him to execute. I would have handed the ball to AD then pitched to AD on the option</p>
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that we must improve on- turnovers. We had what? Three picks, including one for a TD and also gave up the punt return for a TD.
 
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I can't believe this is coming from you. Chill out and have a beer. We are turning this **** around and from the looks of it, very rapidly. aGAIN, we have 1/2 the talent, speed, depth, and experience as LSU, and we just about got 'em today.
 
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we're a QB away from being very good. That's why I'm praying for Cam Newton.

If you put Newton on the team that we have now- and with the players that we have coming back next year, we should be very good.
 
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but I am very concerned regarding the playcalling at the end of the game.

People say it's a great play call to make a jump pass, or whatever that was- but the fact of the matter is, all we had to do is hand the ball off to AD and we win. To me, that has to be a lot easier to execute and has a much higher propability for success than running some play that to my knowledge, we haven't tried to run. With a QB that's not exactly accurate either. And same with the option play. Just hand it off and kick the extra point and go home happy. It's about winning. It's not a style contest.
 
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4th down was an option. Lee kept it, should've handed it off. 3rd down, dude was wide *** open. LSU's LB made a great play, or that's a TD. I don't have a problem with the calls. Dixon did get it on 1st and 2nd down as I recall.
 
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MSUCostanza said:
4th down was an option. Lee kept it, should've handed it off. 3rd down, dude was wide *** open. LSU's LB made a great play, or that's a TD.
I don't have a problem with the calls. Dixon did get it on 1st and 2nd down as I recall.
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gunned that ball out the back of the end zone. If he puts a little bit of air under it, yes it's a TD. And I'm sorry, it's still easier to just give the ball to AD.

But I'm glad we outstyled them.
 
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I have been reading this board for years and just started to post....Todd makes some really good points MOST of the time...but WTF is going on here...Yes we COULD HAVE given it to Dixon...but I remember plenty of times he gets hit low and drops like a rock...that COULD HAVE HAPPENED also...with Lee making a pitch...do you not remember just one week ago Lee pitched it so soon that the refs almost called a false start penalty.....as for Relf...Yes he is big and might have leaned in..but if I remember correctly...he also got STUFFED several times on a keeper against JSU, Auburn and Vandy because he stands straight up when he makes the lunge....with that all said...DUDE...don't fall from grace as a great poster because you left your meds at the game...I hate a loss as much as anyone...but I also live in reality...Mullen and his staff are playing in the best conference in the country with a steaming pile left by one of the worst coaching staffs ever compiled....and the following things occured... we actually over came adversity, answered every punch that was thrown, went toe to toe with a good(yes not great) team....and DAMN NEAR pulled it out.....need I mention the MIGHTY MAINE BLACK NEARS...AT THE SAME FIELD!!!!!!
I for one will give some slack....
 
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4 or so turnovers!
Tipped pass for interception- TD
93 yard punt return- TD

It's a 60 min. game...can't put all of the blame on the last drive
 
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which is why I'm also pretty highly pissed at Tyson Lee.

And yes, we also had a huge breakdown on ST's that hurt us really bad, as well as the dropped snap at the end of the half. And Stallworth had a fumble as well.
 
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and yes, I know that AD tends to tiptoe sometimes, and he could have been dropped for a loss, but again, why not make a conservative play call which has a higher percentage of working?

I guess I'm just saying that I would rather have AD with the ball in his hands with the game on the line rather than Lee.
 
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Damn. The posts just get dumber and dumber as the night goes on. I thought people were just letting their emotions get the better of them and the rational thought would take over in a little while. Nope.
 
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I almost always agree with Todd, but if you can't be excited after watching this game, then you missed everything but the score. No one has to be happy with a loss and yes we should have won the game, but half the people on this board is acting like Arrowdawg. With very little seasoned talent and playing a ton of freshmen, RS freshmen and Sophs, we played toe to toe with a very well though of LSU team( yes they are overrated ). This was the best atmosphere and one of the most enjoyable games I have ever been to and I left with the same felling of confidence that i had when we lost a close game in Tennessee in Sherrill's first season. Little by little, we are adding new plays and wrinkles into this offense: most people believe that it takes at least a year to get the spread down. I wish Tyson Lee was 4 inches taller but he isn't and he's the best we have. I for one don't give a damn about Cam Newton, because he's not committed and not a member of the team. On the other hand I think that we can win and win big with Tyler Russell running the same offense that I saw on the field today. I sat next to a LSU Cajun during the game and he could not believe what he was seeing. Give me some baseball updates cause your football take just sucked.
 
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We just need a better QB. And maybe some receivers. Next year, we may be more pass oriented if for no other reason, we're losing Dixon, Ducre, and Stallworth.
 
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......after the game ended. To that end, I'll give you an AMEN. That reaction is quite indicative of the typical MSU fan. It always has been, and probably always will be okay to the "majority" of Bulldog fans for MSU to lose competitive games. I've seen it on all the boards, including this one to some degree, and the wool never fails to grow a few inches when MSU plays a competitive game against a good team but loses. Somehow that always gives people hope, even though history proves that most of the time it doesn't mean ****. Why people continue to be blindly optimistic in the face of the facts and the history is beyond me.
 
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I'm going up there looking to win. Yeah, the atmosphere was great, but I want to see my team win. If they come up an inch short, and all they have to do to win is turn around and hand the ball to someone, and instead the coach wants to run some gadget play, and then we screw up some option play when the only option should be to hand the ball to AD and we end up losing by one point, then yeah, I'm going to be pissed. You will have to excuse my competitiveness.

Fortunately, from what I have read, it seems like the team is pissed about losing to. For me, it doesn't change the fact that the playcalling on the goal line should have been more conservative in that situation, and that has to go back to Mullen.

It's OK- like I said I'm pleased with Mullen overall. It happens to everybody.

I do agree about Russell in time- even if he has to play next year.
 
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karlchilders said:
Mullen knows what we need to recurit. From all accounts he has an excellent eye for what he needs.
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QB is pretty obvious. But I do think he'll get that he will get what he needs and that we will be fine on all sides of the ball in time.

I never understood why Croom couldn't get that. Pretty much every offense requires a good QB- and he's going with a walk-on? That just blows my mind. Ditto o-line, ST's, and WR.
 
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because when there is inches to go, whether for a first down or a touchdown, the QB sneak is absolutely the most difficult play for a defense to stop because there is no time to penetrate. If Dixon gets it he might score or someone might shoot in and drop him for a loss (which happened often in the Croom era). Just bugs me that after years of Mullen calling Tebow keepers that with not one but TWO chances to get 3 inches we don't send in our 235 pound QB to sneak right behind the center.
 
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