My way-too-early season prediction

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It's takes like the one below that give me pause:

"If he can grow and develop as a passer, you're talking about a guy that has All-SEC caliber written all over him," Klatt said.


Always makes me cringe when I hear someone say about a QB "He'll be great if he improves as a passer." That's kind of the main part of the job.
He produced more TDs than anyone in the month of November, and had a very high QBR for that month, and was improving as a passer. He doesn't even have to improve to be a Heisman contender, he just needs to pay how he did on November. And that is still with plenty of room for improvement, which you would expect going into his second year starting.
 

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He produced more TDs than anyone in the month of November, and had a very high QBR for that month, and was improving as a passer. He doesn't even have to improve to be a Heisman contender, he just needs to pay how he did on November. And that is still with plenty of room for improvement, which you would expect going into his second year starting.
Well, we played 4 games in November, one of which was Wofford. A bit of a loaded stat.

Can he play an entire season as he did in those 3 games? That's the question. He was pretty pedestrian against Illinois with no remarkable plays. Some of that was probably coaching, as it looked to me like there were some plays where he could have taken off but didn't. Looked to me like the coaches didn't want him running as much, but Beamer was vocal about going all-out for that 10th win, which he wanted very, very badly (as illustrated by his sideline blowup), so I don't think he would have done anything to neutralize Sellers too much.
 

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Well, we played 4 games in November, one of which was Wofford. A bit of a loaded stat.

Can he play an entire season as he did in those 3 games? That's the question. He was pretty pedestrian against Illinois with no remarkable plays. Some of that was probably coaching, as it looked to me like there were some plays where he could have taken off but didn't. Looked to me like the coaches didn't want him running as much, but Beamer was vocal about going all-out for that 10th win, which he wanted very, very badly (as illustrated by his sideline blowup), so I don't think he would have done anything to neutralize Sellers too much.
We played 5 games in November, like most teams, and 3 were top 25 at the time we played, and many teams play FCS teams that late, and he was pulled early against Wofford. Stopped reading after that gross mischaracterization, because nothing that follows after starting that afactual is worth engaging.
 

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We played 5 games in November, like most teams, and 3 were top 25 at the time we played, and many teams play FCS teams that late, and he was pulled early against Wofford. Stopped reading after that gross mischaracterization, because nothing that follows after starting that afactual is worth engaging.
Oops, yes, 5. 2 of which were Wofford a Vandy team that was sliding by then. In any event, the same question remains: can he replicate from that small sample size for an entire season. His first 6 games were not particularly good. Just depends on which Sellers we get.
 

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Oops, yes, 5. 2 of which were Wofford a Vandy team that was sliding by then. In any event, the same question remains: can he replicate from that small sample size for an entire season. His first 6 games were not particularly good. Just depends on which Sellers we get.
I thought he looked pretty good against LSU before injury. Did have a turnover or two.
 
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Wow,
Oops, yes, 5. 2 of which were Wofford a Vandy team that was sliding by then. In any event, the same question remains: can he replicate from that small sample size for an entire season. His first 6 games were not particularly good. Just depends on which Sellers we get.
Wow, that's disingenuous. Vandy was good last year and we scored more against them than Texas did. Why can't he? You're saying he was bad starting his first year as a RS FR at QB and took a while to come along? Yeah, no crap. And he wasn't bad the first 6 games, he flashed with obvious signs of nerves and a lack of confidence that were in his way. He then had 67% completion and no TOs against OU in a game we went vanilla because we were dominating. Then he went on his tear for November, and followed it up with a 70% completion rating for 260 in the bowl that we most because against a drop 8 defense for much of the game, we didn't have an RB to punish them. Final 7 games, he maintained as an individual player a very high standard for production and play making, that would 100% be worthy of at minimum all conference consideration with the right support around him. Only real question on of the offense will be loads better this year is if Faison is cleared to play.
 
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Sellers had 5 rushes that went at least 20 yards. He ran 9 times in the 4th quarter, only 3 of those were less than 10 yards, that's not a miracle, that's conditioning and a unique talent.

18, this is the second time a poster has tried to prove you wrong about how miraculous Sellers' play was by pointing out how miraculous it was. And how that makes it not miraculous.

Lol
 
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In any event, the same question remains: can he replicate from that small sample size for an entire season. His first 6 games were not particularly good. Just depends on which Sellers we get.

This, there's hope because he ended playing better than he started. Even your detractor writes off his bowl though, with claiming the opponents defense just changed scheme. I'm sure no other coaches on our schedule will work out that solution though. /s

You said it earlier, I cringe as well when the scoop on a qb is that his primary need is to work on his passing.
 
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every Gamecock fan everywhere was thinking the same thing: here we go again.

Not really, some were thinking that and some were not, we were riding a 5 game winning streak. Not all Gamecock fans are this guy.

 
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This, there's hope because he ended playing better than he started. Even your detractor writes off his bowl though, with claiming the opponents defense just changed scheme. I'm sure no other coaches on our schedule will work out that solution though. /s

You said it earlier, I cringe as well when the scoop on a qb is that his primary need is to work on his passing.
Yep.

You alluded to it, but opposing coaches now have a bunch of tape on Sellers. I'm not saying he's not going to play well next year, but he's not catching anyone by surprise. With the hype he's getting this off-season, he is a player that opposing coaches will spend their time scheming for. Maybe he's talented enough that it won't matter. I just think it's silly to simply assume he'll play all of next season as he did down the stretch last season.
 

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18, this is the second time a poster has tried to prove you wrong about how miraculous Sellers' play was by pointing out how miraculous it was. And how that makes it not miraculous.

Lol
Make it make sense.
 

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18, this is the second time a poster has tried to prove you wrong about how miraculous Sellers' play was by pointing out how miraculous it was. And how that makes it not miraculous.

Lol
You're an idiot. That's like saying Lattimore against Georgia in 2010 was miraculous, or the Clowney getting the sack fumble against Tennessee was a miracle. It was pretty standard for them, and when you're averaging 10 yards a carry, 16 for the first down or 20 for the TD isn't a miracle. If he only got 10, we'd have one more down to make 6 for the first and ample time for the TD. If anything, that would leave less time for them to two to drive.
 
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This, there's hope because he ended playing better than he started. Even your detractor writes off his bowl though, with claiming the opponents defense just changed scheme. I'm sure no other coaches on our schedule will work out that solution though. /s

You said it earlier, I cringe as well when the scoop on a qb is that his primary need is to work on his passing.
Another dumb take. As an individual, he played well. As a team we lost because we had no good WR play or RB play. Our WR corps was mediocre last year, and we had no RB to attack three light front they were giving us. Misrepresenting everything I said makes you neither right or honest.
 

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You're an idiot. That's like saying Lattimore against Georgia in 2010 was miraculous, or the Clowney getting the sack fumble against Tennessee was a miracle. It was pretty standard for them, and when you're averaging 10 yards a carry, 16 for the first down or 20 for the TD isn't a miracle. If he only got 10, we'd have one more down to make 6 for the first and ample time for the TD. If anything, that would leave less time for them to two to drive.


You? Calling someone an idiot? That's funny.

It is what it is. You're arguing that a player was doing something ordinary by pointing out how extraordinary it was.

Typical.
 

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Another dumb take. As an individual, he played well. As a team we lost because we had no good WR play or RB play. Our WR corps was mediocre last year, and we had no RB to attack three light front they were giving us. Misrepresenting everything I said makes you neither right or honest.

Another dumb take? Lmao

It was a comment YOU made in a previous post. I guess you didn't realize your own words were being made fun of. I repeated your idiot idea to sarcastically make fun of it, and you joined in! Priceless.

I even put "/s" after the comment and you're still too stupid to get it.
 
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Make it make sense.

Consider the source. He's about to tell you how he worked it out by playing Madden, is sure he's right because one of his supposed friends told him he was right, then he'll start crying about how mean you are and disappear to the pay site to hide from the laughter.

It's the script.
 
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I'd say a 24 yard TD run on 3rd and 16 when trailing by 4 points when the QB dropped back 9 yards behind the LOS...making it a 33 yard run...is pretty miraculous. Throw in the shoestring pick when Clemson had driven well into FG range to tie the game up.
It might be miraculous if he didn't do this sort of thing routinely. My taters-in-law wanted to know if Sellers was out of eligibility or might want to transfer after that run. :LOL: Also, we had 3 turnovers.
 
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I'm closer to 7-5. I know it's just a difference of 1 game, but as of today, I feel were closer to a 7-5 type team (or 6-6) than
a 8+ squad.
I'm always the 6-6 or 7-5 guy. Anything more is icing. Honestly 7-5 and beat clemson nearly 50% is about all Shane has to do to keep his job here. An occasional 9-10 win season would cement him.
 

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I'm always the 6-6 or 7-5 guy. Anything more is icing. Honestly 7-5 and beat clemson nearly 50% is about all Shane has to do to keep his job here. An occasional 9-10 win season would cement him.
Sounds like a nice gig to me. Reasonable expectations, reasonable fans and decent money.
What more could a coach want???
 
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It might be miraculous if he didn't do this sort of thing routinely. My taters-in-law wanted to know if Sellers was out of eligibility or might want to transfer after that run. :LOL: Also, we had 3 turnovers.
Well, he rushed for 7 tds all season, 2 coming against Clemson, so it wasn't exactly "routine". Sellers was 13 of 21 passing with 0 tds and 1 int for the game. Thank God he was able to run the ball successfully in that game. I really don't think Clemson prepared at all to stop Sellers from running the ball. He only had two games where he ran for over 100 yds, aTm and Clemson and aTm had an atrocious defense in general. He only rushed for 38 yards against Vandy, so the idea that he "routinely" broke big runs for tds is a little specious.

Overcoming 3 turnovers against a good team (Clemson was a good team last season) is pretty well the definition of "miraculous" for almost any team. Take away the miracle shoestring int late and Clemson very likely at least ties the game and sends it to OT. They were flying down the field on their last drive.
 

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I still like to go back and watch that QB run up the middle for 75 yards untouched for a TD against LSU. 🙂
 

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Well, this thread went off the rails. Back to the original post, Bama is not that good and we get them at home. I’m not that worried about A&M that much either. Still , 7-9 wins looks about right. Now let’s see what we are thinking 2-3 games in.
 
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Well, he rushed for 7 tds all season, 2 coming against Clemson, so it wasn't exactly "routine". Sellers was 13 of 21 passing with 0 tds and 1 int for the game. Thank God he was able to run the ball successfully in that game. I really don't think Clemson prepared at all to stop Sellers from running the ball. He only had two games where he ran for over 100 yds, aTm and Clemson and aTm had an atrocious defense in general. He only rushed for 38 yards against Vandy, so the idea that he "routinely" broke big runs for tds is a little specious.

Overcoming 3 turnovers against a good team (Clemson was a good team last season) is pretty well the definition of "miraculous" for almost any team. Take away the miracle shoestring int late and Clemson very likely at least ties the game and sends it to OT. They were flying down the field on their last drive.
He breaks a lot of tackles and was trending better all season. clemson didn't trust their kicker and wanted to end it in regulation. I can't really blame them. But it backfired. But we shouldn't have had the turnovers to start with.
 
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Two gut punch losses (Alabama/LSU) that would have made us 11-1 as well if they were flipped. I'd say the "football gods" pretty much evened things out for us last year.

Edit: 11-1, not 10-2. My math skills were suffering there lol
I would agree that the LSU game could have easily been won. The Clemson game could also have easily been lost. LaNorris Sellers will catch fewer teams off guard this year so his continued development will be key to suuccess. I would expect Clemson to be better on defense this year with the new DC but I don't know that as a fact. I just think they played below their capabilites on a regular basis last year and that was why they changed DCs. Injuries for the Gamecocks and for the other teams will also impact a few games. Overall, 8-4 and a bowl win would be a good season, 10 wins or better would be a very good season.
 
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I would agree that the LSU game could have easily been won. The Clemson game could also have easily been lost. LaNorris Sellers will catch fewer teams off guard this year so his continued development will be key to suuccess. I would expect Clemson to be better on defense this year with the new DC but I don't know that as a fact. I just think they played below their capabilites on a regular basis last year and that was why they changed DCs. Injuries for the Gamecocks and for the other teams will also impact a few games. Overall, 8-4 and a bowl win would be a good season, 10 wins or better would be a very good season.
Honestly with South Carolina football's history, until we consistently win 8 games/season, then that's got to be considered a good season. We still have only 15 8 win seasons ever.
 

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The first thing to realize is that, in the NIL and Portal era, you are no longer building a program, you are building a team. We did well in both our high school recruiting and and portal recruiting. Looking at the schedule, I see 8-4. I am circling the September 20 game at Missouri, one of my 4 projected losses. We were very fortunate to pull out a win against them at the end of the game last season. If we win that game, we will be on our way to a big season and to the playoffs. By the way, I agree with Lane Kiffin's and King Ward's views on the playoffs. All that being said, I know little and claim less, about any subject.
 

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I would agree that the LSU game could have easily been won. The Clemson game could also have easily been lost. LaNorris Sellers will catch fewer teams off guard this year so his continued development will be key to suuccess. I would expect Clemson to be better on defense this year with the new DC but I don't know that as a fact. I just think they played below their capabilites on a regular basis last year and that was why they changed DCs. Injuries for the Gamecocks and for the other teams will also impact a few games. Overall, 8-4 and a bowl win would be a good season, 10 wins or better would be a very good season.
I don't disagree with any of that, but with Sellers getting Heisman hype from outside sources and many pundits penciling us in as strong playoff contenders, 8-4 would be seen as a massive disappointment by those on the outside.
 

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I don't disagree with any of that, but with Sellers getting Heisman hype from outside sources and many pundits penciling us in as strong playoff contenders, 8-4 would be seen as a massive disappointment by those on the outside.
I think the Sellers Heisman hype is silly. He looked really good against Clemson in a "rabbit out of a hat" way but nothing he did the rest of the season was worthy of any Heisman mention. Sports "writers" today are looking for clicks and comments to sell to advertisers, nothing more really. They are never held to account for their idiotic preseason opinions or predictions when they fall completely flat.

The playoff talk is all about continuing the click bait from the end of last season where they created drama around our supposed slight by not being in the playoff. If we go 7-5, the writers will never mention their "prediction" of our being a playoff contender. They will simply move on to the next team that finishes the season strong and fan the flames of outrage that they weren't invited to the playoff.
 

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Even 8 wins makes some assumptions. We needed miracles to win against Mizzou and Clemson last year. Take those out and we're back to 6-6.
I’m genuinely asking, how did the Clemson win become a miracle? Them not being able to stop the best player on the field? Or a QB that’s not known for being clutch throwing an interception?
 

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According to the first defninition on google

mi·rac·u·lous

occurring through divine or supernatural intervention, or manifesting such power.

Sellers had 16 carrier for 166 yards and 2 touchdowns in that game, or before the play you think is so miraculous, 15 carries for 146 yards.

He had made similar plays earlier in the game, a 38 yarder on the first drive, he had a 25 yard TD earlier in the game, so I'm not sure how a 20 td yarder was so miraculous?

Seller had the second most missed tackles forced in a game by anyone in the college football season, vs Clemson 18, (Only Ashton Jeanty had more with 20 in a game earlier in the season).

Sellers’ 18 missed tackles is the most ever recorded by a quarterback in PFF College’s data, going back since 2014.

He was running all over them, all game, scrambling and running, gaining yards, nothing was miraculous about it.

On that play Harbor was open as well, he could of thrown it for the game winner.

On the int, a player with enough talent to be a second rounder made a great play.

Who's to say they tie it, they could miss the FG or if they do tie it, we don't win any ways in OT. Hate to break it to you, Clemson wasn't that good and South Carolina that bad where it took "miracles" for us to win.

Just a close hard fought game between to closely matched teams where our big time players made the key plays down the stretch, and theres made some mistakes, nothing miraculous occurred, imho
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I mean
Sellers in the Heisman conversation is sort of silly in my opinion. If you look at this stats, he is good but nowhere near Heisman numbers. Without a running game threat and a serviceable OL, Sellers scrambling ability is going to have to be pretty much the entire offense and that doesn't bode well. Sellers is a great athlete but I'm not sure he is a great qb. Opposing DCs are going to focus on him and that is going to limit his ability to do magic when the pocket breaks down. Harbor may step up and that will be a big help but I'll have to see it to believe it.

I think the record could be anywhere from 5-7 to 8-4 depending on how strong some of the opponents end up being. Kentucky might be better, OU will have to be better, I think Venables might be coaching for his job this year, A&M is schizophrenic, could be very good and could be bad and Clemson is going to be loaded. The Va Tech and Missouri games are huge. I think those two games will determine whether our season is good or bad.
I mean he had the 2nd most TDs in conference play as a RS FR. I don’t think it’s silly that he would be looked at as a future Heisman winner, considering the guys with better odds isn’t better than him.
 

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I can understand being honest about the team you root for, but when you’re trying to discredit Sellers to push your agenda then it becomes silly. Every QB in the nation can approve as a passer. The only difference is we saw improvements from Sellers in real time. The only QB that outplayed him in the season was Dart and Sellers was limping the whole game. Idc about what you think our record will be [if I’m not mistaken you predicted us to win 4 games last season] but the fact that you have to discredit Sellers to prove a point is kinda crazy. Go gamecock!
 

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I’m genuinely asking, how did the Clemson win become a miracle? Them not being able to stop the best player on the field? Or a QB that’s not known for being clutch throwing an interception?

Probably the 3rd and long, broken play, scramble for a TD, if you ask me. Or that we overcame 3 TO's, 2 of which were in the red zone.

Especially when the definition, as has already been pointed out, includes:

highly improbable and extraordinary and bringing very welcome consequences
 

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I can understand being honest about the team you root for, but when you’re trying to discredit Sellers to push your agenda then it becomes silly. Every QB in the nation can approve as a passer. The only difference is we saw improvements from Sellers in real time. The only QB that outplayed him in the season was Dart and Sellers was limping the whole game. Idc about what you think our record will be [if I’m not mistaken you predicted us to win 4 games last season] but the fact that you have to discredit Sellers to prove a point is kinda crazy. Go gamecock!


Who are you addressing in this post? Did anyone really predict 4 wins?
 

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Probably the 3rd and long, broken play, scramble for a TD, if you ask me. Or that we overcame 3 TO's, 2 of which were in the red zone.

Especially when the definition, as has already been pointed out, includes:

highly improbable and extraordinary and bringing very welcome consequences
Sellers was running wild on Clemson before that play. Clemson was bringing the house a lot and it created holes for Sellers. I’m not sure how a QB that broke almost 20 tackles and ran for 166 is labeled as a miracle. The turnover battle was even, so I’m not sure why that point was added? They were only favorites because they were home and both teams made plays. The team with the better player won.
 

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Who are you addressing in this post? Did anyone really predict 4 wins?
The guy that created this thread predicted 4 wins last season and I think downplaying Sellers wins against 4 ranked teams to end the season highlights what I’ve seen from him since I’ve been on this message board lol