Greg alluded to a NCAA issue preventing him from playing today. Anyone have a clue what the deal is? That organization trying to enforce any sort of rule is a joke at this point.
Naseim Brantley
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Somebody mentioned this happened to a transfer into UNC
The NCAA is a joke.
You would think the player’s eligibility would be cleared long before he enters the Transfer Portal.
The NCAA is a joke.
You would think the player’s eligibility would be cleared long before he enters the Transfer Portal.
Read the article. Not much info in it but it was possibly cut off. Do we know if this is a permanent decision or just delayed?
Those articles are worthless. Here is one a little less worthless, but comments may provide some useful speculation.
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That is correct. There is something similar going on with a UNC player as well. My guess is they are not permitting COVID and hardship transfer requests and something that does not count against the 2 transfer in 2 years rule. As nice as it would be to have Brantley, the WRs really looked solid this weekend. It may be good for him to reshoot this year and then replace Washington next year."
I had no idea that there was a rule prohibiting two transfers in two years. I thought that if you had your undergrad degree, you were free to transfer to any grad school program and be immediately eligible, no questions asked.
Does the "no consecutive transfer" rule supersede that? And if so, how did GS and his staff not know that?
If we have learned anything over the years, it is that to rely on the timely issuance of an NCAA hardship waiver is unwise to say the least.
Just another example of the NCAA and their abject worthlessness as an organization.
And how did Cam Spencer, last years' sharpshooter, end up on Yukon?
May be true, but not my point. We can lament about the NCAA's unfairness, favoritism, and arbitrary decision making. But WE KNOW ALL THAT. If we made key personnel decisions without paying heed to that reality, it's nobody's fault but our own.
This is binary. Either Brantley was entitled to immediate eligibility under NCAA rules, or he wasn't. If he wasn't, as appears to be the case, then the rule of caveat emptor applies.
Do we know for sure that Brantley graduated?
Edit -no inside info but unraveling the puzzle - the kid attended Sacred heart for 3.5 semesters plus summers. Did anyone consider that he graduated from there and essentially is doing the process in reverse order? The grad transfer year is “free” after graduating undergrad but maybe now he’s transferring from one grad program to another and western Illinois won’t grant him the required waiver? Pure guesS work.
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I believe the issue is that the rule was changed in March, so the UNC WR and Brantley both enrolled with the expectation that they'd be eligible under the old rules and then the NCAA changed the rules, necessitating a waiver. I'm guessing Schiano's anger stems from the delay in getting the waiver, which should have been a slam dunk. But this is the NCAA we are talking about.
That’s not it. As others point out, Cam wouldn’t have been allowed to go to UConn if it was. That was after March.
It would have Schiano boiling though for sure if the kid just did things in reverse order. Supposed he graduated from Sacred Heart and so he never had to use a first time college transfer period. Why should the kid be “punished” for sticking with Sacred heart through graduation. That’s essentially what the outcome is if this kid is denied vs a Cam Spencer type who didn’t graduate from Loyola so he got to transfer then and do it again.
"It’s understandable that UNC is upset about this outcome, but this is a process that was specifically spelled out to the NCAA membership back in January. It was going to take the most extreme of circumstances for a two-time transfer waiver to be granted for immediate eligibility. As of last week, only about 18 percent of waiver requests for two-time transfers in all sports have been approved for this academic year.
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Coaches have complained about free agency in college sports, and this is what a tamping down on that looks like. I will add, though, that this is a difficult case because Walker enrolled on Jan. 9 — before the tightening of the rule. But the waiver request was not filed until April, an industry source told The Athletic, which was well after the two-time transfer guidance was updated."
Correct. I highly doubt that our situation is a replica of this one though as it seems unlikely that Brantley isn’t a graduate from somewhere being that he’s going on his 6th year of post high school study (5 completed years of college).
I’d be shocked if Brantley suits up this season
It’s a friggin shame and another ncaa disgrace
It’s a friggin shame and another ncaa disgrace
It’s really horrible if the kid has a degree from either sacred heart or Western Illinois.
Hopefully, he is on the John Blutarsky plan, minus the frat life.
The more I think about it, the more likely it is that the kid graduated from Sacred Heart. Transferred to Western Illinois as a grad student and hadn’t yet completed that program. Now the NCAA is saying sorry - second time transfer. Except it sucks because the first time was the type of transfer that doesn’t count if it comes second. Ridiculous actually.
not a disgrace. these are supposed to be students, not athletes bouncing from school to school for sports purposes seeking loopholes with other bs exploitative reasons (for example, mental health troubles due to not being a starter). rules are rules.
and on top of that, the NCAA isn't an independent oversight body. member universities (presidents or designees) make rules for the NCAA to enact and enforce just like the NFL Rules Committee makes the rules for the referees to enforce.
Schiano and Mack Brown and others have biased, selfish perspectives, and if anything their anger should be directed at universities generally, not the NCAA which only does their bidding.
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It’s almost certainly not the same situation. The NCAA decided graduate transfers don’t count. One of Brantley’s very likely transfers fell into this category which means he’s only going to have transferred out of a program he didn’t complete once.
FWIW, his bio lists him as Junior from last year at Western Illinois. So maybe on the Blutarsky plan?
OTOH, Sacred Heart had him listed as a Senior in 2021. . . .
The other thing working against him is his transfer was in late January (in portal Jan 16, transfer complete Jan 25) presumably AFTER the NCAA changed the rule.
And from the linked article above (How did Rutgers not know this was going to be an issue?) It doesn't seem either exception would or should apply?:
"On Jan. 11, 2023, the Division I Council voted unanimously to tighten its policy surrounding waivers for athletes who transfer for a second time and seek to play right away. From the news release:
Moving forward, student-athletes must meet one of the following criteria to be granted a waiver to compete immediately:
- A demonstrated physical injury or illness or mental health condition that necessitated the student’s transfer (supporting documentation, care plans and proximity of the student’s support system will be considered), or
- Exigent circumstances that clearly necessitate a student-athlete’s immediate departure from the previous school (e.g., physical assault or abuse, sexual assault) unrelated to the student-athlete’s athletics participation.
Looks like his injury happened in November at WIU?
https://goleathernecks.com/news/2022/11/12/football-wiu-stumbles-to-indiana-state-on-senior-day.aspx
Maybe it was 2018, his first season? He did not play after his 4th game at Dartmouth.
If he hasn’t graduated undergraduate college yet, he doesn’t deserve to play per the current rules and Schiano honestly shouldn’t be that upset about it. He should sit out the year per the rules applicable for kids following the second time they transfer out of a school without completing a matriculated program.
I see nothing wrong at face value with having that rule. Despite NIL, and the joke that academics have become, these kids still represent the school they attend so it’s not inherently wrong to limit the number of times you can bounce from one school’s matriculated program to another without completing the original one you enrolled in to one without sitting out. For UNC, it’s completely irrelevant that the kid never played for NC Central. He committed, enrolled, and attended school there. Made the decision to leave without completing the academic program. That’s a transfer.
Yep. Like Greg and what he is doing, but don't understand what he is so mad about, UNLESS, he/RU got some sort of guidance from the NCAA, but not sure that's how it works.
There are other possibilities. Maybe the kid clearly has the credits to graduate and Western Illinois are being jerks about it? If the kid is still an undergrad and that was always the expectation, it’s seems odd that Schiano thought this would go through for eligibility this season.
Greg is a by the books kind of guy. He may think the nCAA is a farce but he’s the type to respect the rules and follow them without complaining.
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point is....the NCAA is the aggregate body of all member universities, not an independent compliance agency that makes its own eligibility rules. NCAA universities make the rules, enforced by NCAA staff. So, blaming the NCAA may make for good press (Mack B) or may just be uninformed (Proud_NJ above), but if there any blame, it's on the universities themselves for collectively determining the rules and not the NCAA.
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I have no problem with this rule. It seems
very unlike Greg to have simply assumed he would get a kid cleared who doesn’t meet the criteria. If Brantley is still an undergraduate he should not play this year. Those are the rules. It’s that simple. Greg is a lot of things but he’s not the “fry an egg on his head angry type” because NCAA is refusing making an exception for a clearly stated rule (even if NIL makes the concept of rules silly in the first place). I would be shocked if there isn’t more to this. That’s all. My hypothesis is this kid either graduated college or was expected to and has more than enough credits to have done so.
Assuming he is denied his waiver which seems to be the way it is going and, IIRC, he has 1 year of eligibility left does that year extend to next year. It seems to me that it should because it makes no sense that he could use up his final year of eligibility when he is declared ineligible. That would mean he is eligible and ineligible at the same time.
Yes - it was discussed on one of the podcasts. He still has a year of eligibility left so if it’s not this year he could play next year.
