National Duals, '25, thread
- Thread starter Tom McAndrew
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I'm not sure i would classify a true freshman dropping his first in match at any nationals to Abas as "wtf" type loss. I certainly wouldn't classify losing to Joey Blaze as a "wtf". Either way, your point does stand. I just think us fans are a little quick to call guys bad or dismiss their talent because they're not the elite of elite. Abas and J. blaze have insane talent.
Big Ten is showing its strength. 6-0 and 6 of 8 teams advancing. Trying to follow along at Chicago O'Hare while drinking $14 beer.
Ryder and Alex go down, I guess they've regressed.......
Cael stunted their growth. Could take a season or 2 for them to recover their elite skills.
Penn State is growing the sport by abstaining from this tournament and graciously avoiding fans' domination fatigue.
some clown in Beg wrote that PSU always wins because they don't wrestle and tough teams so who would beat them today?NO ONE guess he forgot they wrestle in the BIG by far the roughest conference in wrestling
Non-wrestling fans aren't watching this during football season.
I'm a wrestling fan. I'm not watching this during football season or without PSU. I'm also not ever giving Flo and money.
I think next year psu should dip their toe in and send the second string.Cael stunted their growth. Could take a season or 2 for them to recover their elite skills.
Penn State is growing the sport by abstaining from this tournament and graciously avoiding fans' domination fatigue.
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I agree about Blaze. In fact, I think Joey is sometimes prone to drop matches he shouldn’t. Since I know you’re not referring to Gerry Abas, I can’t agree with you there. I chalk that loss up to young guy jitters vs old guy experience. Tyler should’ve won that one and I guess I never saw the “insane” talent in Jaden that you did. I’m not critiquing Tyler either - when he went “Statue of Liberty” on Teemer it was like Christmas morning for me. I hope he wins it all every year.
Penn State's ROOM is the roughest conference in wrestling.
I think we could probably say non-wrestling fans aren't watching this no matter when its held.
Agreed. I think they'd have a better chance on a random weekday in January or weekend in February and only from people that already root for a school in general that gets invited.
In a world where shortages occur, there will ALWAYS be plenty of clowns!
Not on pay-per-view anyway. If the rich guy from Oklahoma really wanted to promote wrestling nationwide, he could have used his money to get this entire tournament on TV somewhere, not just the finals. Even cable is better than Flo for promoting the sport to non-wrestling fans.
We get Spratley vs Robinson next round. Pretty sure I didn’t **** this one up
Not serious very often. Figured you knew that. But seriously, I hope he has taken advantage of the time and opportunity to work on a graduate degree.
I'm surprised to hear the number of people dogging this tournament. Who cares whether casual fans tune in. It's middle of November and we're getting a weekend of great, high-level wrestling. We're getting a ton of ranked match-ups that we typically wouldn't be getting this time of year. I'll watch this over the Luther Open any day!
No - it’s great. We’re just reacting to the Ryan and Manning and Goodale, etc. B.S.
The tournament is just fine. The juvenile, little-brother whining about who’s not there, less so.
I mean seriously, if psu not being there is somehow stunting the growth of the sport, what does that say about what you contribute to it?
If the goofs want to help grow the sport, make your own program great.
After Kurdelmeier built Iowa into a national power Iowa fans became the biggest and loudest support group. Minnesota interest increased dramatically after JR built the Gophers into a championship winning power. PSU's fan following grew ten fold after Cael arrived. If Ryan could annually compete with and occasionally beat PSU OSU's following would increase dramatically. Big crowds showing up for the PSU showdown just to watch PSU bytch slap the Bucks over and over eventually becomes tiresome. Rutgers fan following would explode if Rutgers were to become a dominant program.
The college wrestling coaches who are failing the biggest in "growing the sport" aspect of things are Tom Ryan, Rob Koll, Mike Grey and Scott Goodale.
PSU not being there actually makes it a better tournament. If PSU were there, they would run away with it. Without them there, it is competitive.
Add in Brands. If someone randomly turns on a match and sees someone constantly backing away, they won't be interested.
In reality, that would have been a colossal waste of money. The sport of wrestling "is what it is".
I am concerned. Penn State’s National Title trophy is going to have a big asterisk:
“* Did not go to national duals.”
“* Did not go to national duals.”
I couldn't include Brands with that group because other than his refusal to compete against PSU other than when mandated he does put his best team on the mat to accept their beatdown. Also, in Brands eyes it is his fault the Hawks can't beat the Nits. Ryan, Koll and at least in Mike Grey's spokesperson's opinion, Mrs. Grey, the reason their teams can't compete with Cael's teams is because it is Cael's fault. Ryan, Koll and Mrs. Grey always cause me to wonder if they post on HR because they whine and utter words of stupidity as frequently and as impassioned as some of the most ridiculous HR posters.
I really enjoy making fun of TnT, but they compete and accept their *** kicking with the understanding that if they want to make it stop it is on them. I can't say that about Ryan, Koll or Mrs. Grey. Goodale doesn't usually whine, but since he felt a need to jump in - well Goodale's coaches a program that sits in the middle of the same gold mine of talent as Cael does. There is no reason for Rutgers to not be a freaking wrestling power, and if they were the Rutgers' fan following would rival PSU's and Iowa's.
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This board desperately needs the ability to delete a post. WTH isn’t that available?
This board desperately needs the ability to delete a post. WTH isn’t that available?
Is Pitt the Rutgers of PA, or is Rutgers the Pitt of New Jersey?
Pitt should be the center of the wrestling universe. WPIAL. Big city NIL. Makes zero sense.
Two NCAA finals rematches going on at the same time in the quarterfinals….
But no, PSU doesn’t need to be here.
*tearfully checks Drexel’s wrestlestat profile*
But no, PSU doesn’t need to be here.
*tearfully checks Drexel’s wrestlestat profile*
I'm going to posit that if you want to "grow the sport", seeing an Iowa team that cannot manage a single takedown between four *winning* wrestlers (DeLuca, Bailey, Block and Ferrari) in a dual meet isn't going to cut it. Just sayin'.
weve been saying it for quite a while but they always wrestle so tight. Always wrestling not to lose instead of to open it up and win.