NATO is obsolete. Wait, no it's not. It's a huge mistake to strike Syria. Wait, no it isn't.

[RichardPeterJohnson]

China manipulates currency. Now they don't. What a complete douchebag, ******** artist.

President Trump, king of flip-flops
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-flip-flops-continued/?utm_term=.1c0be895d845

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

The best piece of chocolate cake ever.

 

[WVUBRU]

Good news is his BS is at least representative of a responsible person now. Bad news is he has no credibility or integrity and is too influenced with his core values. He sees a story or picture on FoxNews and he goes nuts like his followers. He is unstable, dangerous and a laughing stock to the world.

 

[bamaEER]

Good news is his BS is at least representative of a responsible person now. Bad news is he has no credibility or integrity and is too influenced with his core values. He sees a story or picture on FoxNews and he goes nuts like his followers. He is unstable, dangerous and a laughing stock to the world.

He's in full flip-flop mode now, reversing tons of campaign promises he made. Looks like he'll start ditching staffers soon too.

 

[Boomboom521]

China manipulates currency. Now they don't. What a complete douchebag, ******** artist.

President Trump, king of flip-flops
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-flip-flops-continued/?utm_term=.1c0be895d845

Yet, somehow he's gained a level of credibility and leniency not given to other Republican Presidents. Is it because he's has lots of money? Is it because of his uncouth (non pc) loudmouth? Is it because he's that "alpha dog" type dickhead? Is it because of how much dislike there was for Clinton? Or because he's NOT a typical politician (you know, someone that lies - gives benefits to big business over the worker - says whatever to get elected - flip flops on issues based on popularity or polling numbers)?

I'd love to know, because I look at this man and I just don't see it at all. He seems weak to me, vane, emotional, foolish, privileged and indecisive. Tillerson comes off as more of an alpha dog than Trump to me.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Yet, somehow he's gained a level of credibility and leniency not given to other Republican Presidents. Is it because he's has lots of money? Is it because of his uncouth (non pc) loudmouth? Is it because he's that "alpha dog" type dickhead? Is it because of how much dislike there was for Clinton? Or because he's NOT a typical politician (you know, someone that lies - gives benefits to big business over the worker - says whatever to get elected - flip flops on issues based on popularity or polling numbers)?

I'd love to know, because I look at this man and I just don't see it at all. He seems weak to me, vane, emotional, foolish, privileged and indecisive. Tillerson comes off as more of an alpha dog than Trump to me.

I think it's because he's done so much crazy **** already, the bar has been lowered so much that people don't care anymore. Some of the **** that he's said and done would've created major controversy in any other admin. He does crazy **** almost every day. Sort of a dumbing down effect.

 

[Boomboom521]

I think it's because he's done so much crazy **** already, the bar has been lowered so much that people don't care anymore. Some of the **** that he's said and done would've created major controversy in any other admin. He does crazy **** almost every day. Sort of a dumbing down effect.

I agree. Was this strategy you think or stupidity getting lucky?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

weak to me, vane, emotional, foolish, privileged and indecisive

I agree, he looks that way.

As long as he executes the policy positions that I align with what I'm looking for, I don't care if he shows up to Press Conferences dressed as clown and does magic tricks. In the end, the policy and the SCOTUS nominations are what I'm concerned with.

 

[Boomboom521]

I agree, he looks that way.

As long as he executes the policy positions that I align with what I'm looking for, I don't care if he shows up to Press Conferences dressed as clown and does magic tricks. In the end, the policy and the SCOTUS nominations are what I'm concerned with.

But you have to at least feel a little less confident....as you see his flip flopping? I mean, you know the man was once pro-choice right?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

But you have to at least feel a little less confident....as you see his flip flopping? I mean, you know the man was once pro-choice right?

Don't care. Results on the policies that I align with are all that I care about.

 

[Boomboom521]

Don't care. Results on the policies that I align with are all that I care about.

Ok, but is your confidence in his desire to enact policies that align with your ideals weakening?

 

[Brushy Bill]

I love the fact that libs are grasping at straws while he is MAGAing in spite of them and the cuckservative GOPe. It's entertaining to watch the histrionics of both that's for sure.

 

[Boomboom521]

I love the fact that libs are grasping at straws while he is MAGAing in spite of them and the cuckservative GOPe. It's entertaining to watch the histrionics of both that's for sure.

I think it's funny that politics fool people....only due to the mouth that spews the bs.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Ok, but is your confidence in his desire to enact policies that align with your ideals weakening?

Not really, he has been executing what I want/wanted to see for the most part. I can't stand listening to him speak. I can't stand his twittering. His vanity turns me off. In the end though, I don't care, that stuff doesn't matter to me as much as the actual results that I'm seeing. He certainly isn't the first politician to flip flop on issues and certainly not the first one that spoke from a position of riling up the base with an uneducated opinion. Things change when you start getting the real information in briefings from those who've made a career on being informed.

My main concerns going into the election were this:
1. Bridging the aisle (neither candidate in the General was going to do this, hence I voted for neither)
2. Economy: Check
3. Jobs: Check
4. SCOTUS: Check
5. Defense: Check
6. Immigration: Check

The rest of the stuff (social issues) doesn't resonate with me at all.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I think it's funny that politics fool people....only due to the mouth that spews the bs.

Exactly. MSNBC showed a graph of a poll last night (maybe I can find it later) and it compared opinions on the US bombing Syria in 2013 versus 2017 and they broke it down by Democrats and Republicans.

In 2013, 36% of dems were in favor of bombing versus 37% in 2017. In 2013, I think it was 23% of Republicans favored bombing versus 86% in 2017.

 

[Brushy Bill]

Not really, he has been executing what I want/wanted to see for the most part. I can't stand listening to him speak. I can't stand his twittering. His vanity turns me off. In the end though, I don't care, that stuff doesn't matter to me as much as the actual results that I'm seeing. He certainly isn't the first politician to flip flop on issues and certainly not the first one that spoke from a position of riling up the base with an uneducated opinion. Things change when you start getting the real information in briefings from those who've made a career on being informed.

My main concerns going into the election were this:
1. Bridging the aisle (neither candidate in the General was going to do this, hence I voted for neither)
2. Economy: Check
3. Jobs: Check
4. SCOTUS: Check
5. Defense: Check
6. Immigration: Check

The rest of the stuff (social issues) doesn't resonate with me at all.

[thumb2]
Either cucks and libs don't understand what is going on or they are incapable of understanding what is happening, either way if they don't get on board I'm OK with DJT running them over to achieve his goals.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I'm OK with DJT running them over to achieve his goals.

And how did that work out for the first attempt at repealing ACA?

[laughing]

 

[Brushy Bill]

And how did that work out for the first attempt at repealing ACA?

[laughing]

Operative phrase there is 'first attempt'.

 

[Boomboom521]

Not really, he has been executing what I want/wanted to see for the most part. I can't stand listening to him speak. I can't stand his twittering. His vanity turns me off. In the end though, I don't care, that stuff doesn't matter to me as much as the actual results that I'm seeing. He certainly isn't the first politician to flip flop on issues and certainly not the first one that spoke from a position of riling up the base with an uneducated opinion. Things change when you start getting the real information in briefings from those who've made a career on being informed.

My main concerns going into the election were this:
1. Bridging the aisle (neither candidate in the General was going to do this, hence I voted for neither)
2. Economy: Check
3. Jobs: Check
4. SCOTUS: Check
5. Defense: Check
6. Immigration: Check

The rest of the stuff (social issues) doesn't resonate with me at all.

No one wants to admit it, but the economy and jobs right now are (at best) spilt between optimism under Trump and economic progress under Obama. Things could change if Trump begins destabilizing large industry through negotiation ploys.

Defense: you are obviously more informed than I, but he could very quickly put us in a multi theatre situation that requires boots on the ground (unless he does the ultimate backdown). N. Korea is prepping to test another ballistic. Our next step? Russia isn't backing down from supporting Syria, and ordered us not to strike them again. Our next step? He's a twitchy fvcker. Hope your faith is in the mad dog on this one.

SCOTUS: I think it's a huge check. Something has me kind of liking Gorusch too. I hope he isn't a hardcore conservative at heart, and rules like a Kennedy. But I'm not upset with him being on the bench.

Jobs: A lot of retail jobs are shutting down. I also think automation will continue to cut this number going forward. As regulations in energy are cut, there will be increases there for sure too. I'm not sold that it's a long term fix though, and I think these numbers soften and maybe dip hard in 5-7 years.

What worries me (always has) is his lack of integrity. The man wants to win, and will sell out anyone or anything to do so.....your policies, the party, the future.....his ego will win out when he starts thinking in terms of legacy.

 

[PriddyBoy]

China manipulates currency. Now they don't. What a complete douchebag, ******** artist.

President Trump, king of flip-flops
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-flip-flops-continued/?utm_term=.1c0be895d845

Dpn't worry, Threenis, his core values won't change enough that you have to stop hating.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

The man wants to win, and will sell out anyone or anything to do so.....your policies, the party, the future...

This doesn't bother me as long as what he wants to win is beneficial to the people of this country ... everybody ...

 

[Keyser76]

This doesn't bother me as long as what he wants to win is beneficial to the people of this country ... everybody ...

Well is it beneficial to get involved in overseas conflicts or is it gonna be America first like he campaigned? Does he even know what his policy is gonna be at this point? Intelligent people care about what the leader of the free worlds agenda is gonna be, so what is it cause I can't figure it out from Trumps actions.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

No one wants to admit it, but the economy and jobs right now are (at best) spilt between optimism under Trump and economic progress under Obama.

I don't have a problem admitting it. My point isn't so much results at this point, it's only been a couple of months. It's the priority he seems to be placing on it.

Defense: you are obviously more informed than I, but he could very quickly put us in a multi theatre situation that requires boots on the ground (unless he does the ultimate backdown). N. Korea is prepping to test another ballistic. Our next step? Russia isn't backing down from supporting Syria, and ordered us not to strike them again. Our next step? He's a twitchy fvcker. Hope your faith is in the mad dog on this one.

My faith is unwavering in General Mattis. There is nowhere he would want to go that I would not follow.

obs: A lot of retail jobs are shutting down. I also think automation will continue to cut this number going forward. As regulations in energy are cut, there will be increases there for sure too. I'm not sold that it's a long term fix though, and I think these numbers soften and maybe dip hard in 5-7 years.

Like the economy, it's the priority he is seemingly placing on it.

Edit**: I should add that I believe the approach he is taking on the issues also aligns with my belief on the best way to handle them. Here is the kicker, I don't think it's a set in stone formula. You point the boat in the right general direction and leave yourself open to tack appropriately as needed. Too often I think politicians with zero business experience will ride a failing policy right into the ground, but by god they had a plan and position.

 

[Brushy Bill]

The issues that Trump has emphasized drive liberals bonkers, the fact that he's getting results makes them frothing from the mouth idiots. #winning

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

The issues that Trump has emphasized drive liberals bonkers, the fact that he's getting results makes them frothing from the mouth idiots. #winning

Getting results? [laughing] Two immigration EOs both overturned, yeah, I'm mad as hell.
Repealed ACA, mad as hell about that too. [laughing] Mexico handing him that check for the wall, mad as hell about that too. [laughing]

Trump's definition of winning is the same as Marshall's, 3-9.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Well is it beneficial to get involved in overseas conflicts or is it gonna be America first like he campaigned? Does he even know what his policy is gonna be at this point? Intelligent people care about what the leader of the free worlds agenda is gonna be, so what is it cause I can't figure it out from Trumps actions.

Well, that's the rub. I don't really know what his exact plan is other than all the winning. I will point out that I think he is a blow hard con man who knows next to nothing about anything at all, and I have next to zero confidence in him.

However, flip-flopping isn't necessarily a bad thing either. A position may have won the election, but then you realize it can't really be done that way, or once you analyze the 2nd or 3rd order effects you realize that it ultimately isn't the right direction. Also, we are a democracy, so I think the politicians should be paying attention to polls and the phone calls and everything they are getting about what the people want ... to a degree. (hardly any people understand the ramifications of implementing what they want)

So, while I can't stand him ... I also don't see everything he gets criticized for as being necessarily all bad. Now, I do think that most of what he gets criticized for is right on the mark and is totally deserved, but not all of it.

 

[bamaEER]

Getting results? [laughing] Two immigration EOs both overturned, yeah, I'm mad as hell.
Repealed ACA, mad as hell about that too. [laughing] Mexico handing him that check for the wall, mad as hell about that too. [laughing]

Trump's definition of winning is the same as Marshall's, 3-9.

I'm still waiting for the winning part.

 

[WVPATX]

I love the fact that libs are grasping at straws while he is MAGAing in spite of them and the cuckservative GOPe. It's entertaining to watch the histrionics of both that's for sure.

I think two things are at play. One part is strategic the other is Trump simply changing his mind after hearing from his Council of Advisors and other world leaders. On the first part, he made some outrageous statements to put countries/NATO on notice that business as usual is over (gets back to his Art of the Deal book, make outrageous demands and negotiate backward). But I also think he has changed his mind (in Syria for example, after seeing those children dying and knowing he could do something about it). I think his strong statements on China have been extraordinarily beneficial. We got some concessions, China is getting more involved in North Korea and Trump gave a little by saying they don't manipulate their currency. Win/Win.

He has been in office for only 3 months but I am beginning to see both growth on his part and some of his bluster actually working.

 

[moe]

I'm still waiting for the winning part.

I like the part when other world leaders educate him on wtf is going on like the Chinese President Xi giving Trump a history lesson on China/North Korea so now Trump sees what China is up against with them. You'd think that Trump's staff could prepare him better but he probably has no interest..

 

[WVPATX]

I like the part when other world leaders educate him on wtf is going on like the Chinese President Xi giving Trump a history lesson on China/North Korea so now Trump sees what China is up against with them. You'd think that Trump's staff could prepare him better but he probably has no interest..

North Korea fails without China's support. China has now stopped buying some of North Korea's products (e.g. coal). China has sent 150,000 troops to the North Korean border. The U.S. is sending a strike force to the peninsula. China finally seems to be helping the U.S. rid North Korea of nukes. If China stops supporting North Korea, it is only a matter of time until the people, with the help of the military, overthrow Kim Jung-un.

Trump's unpredictability helps a great deal in our talks with China and in using China to help with North Korea.

 

[bamaEER]

I like the part when other world leaders educate him on wtf is going on like the Chinese President Xi giving Trump a history lesson on China/North Korea so now Trump sees what China is up against with them. You'd think that Trump's staff could prepare him better but he probably has no interest..

Breitbart has all the answers he needs.........at least until he learns the truth and does a complete 180 in his position.

When he starts in on all those science-based agencies like EPA, he'll learn a lot about how wrong he is.

 

[moe]

North Korea fails without China's support. China has now stopped buying some of North Korea's products (e.g. coal). China has sent 150,000 troops to the North Korean border. The U.S. is sending a strike force to the peninsula. China finally seems to be helping the U.S. rid North Korea of nukes. If China stops supporting North Korea, it is only a matter of time until the people, with the help of the military, overthrow Kim Jung-un.

Trump's unpredictability helps a great deal in our talks with China and in using China to help with North Korea.

Nothing much has happened yet w/N. Korea so that all remains to be determined as N. Korea prepares to test another nuke. Another huge problem is China's development of South China sea islands, let's see if Trump can get them to rein that activity in.

 

[Brushy Bill]

Getting results? [laughing] Two immigration EOs both overturned, yeah, I'm mad as hell.
Repealed ACA, mad as hell about that too. [laughing] Mexico handing him that check for the wall, mad as hell about that too. [laughing]

Trump's definition of winning is the same as Marshall's, 3-9.

I know, right. Now you guys are on the hook for every act of violence and terrorism that takes place on American soil from here on out, you probably should have thought that one through. And the cucks and RINOs have been exposed and put on blast for the failure to repeal the ACA, they look like hypocritical fools and I'm not one bit sad about that. Illegal immigration is plummeting, reverse immigration is climbing, all in all not a bad first salvo.

 

[WVPATX]

Nothing much has happened yet w/N. Korea so that all remains to be determined as N. Korea prepares to test another nuke. Another huge problem is China's development of South China sea islands, let's see if Trump can get them to rein that activity in.

I agree on both points. We have to wait and see, but good signs are emerging. China seems to understand that the North Korean issue is unavoidable any longer. And I agree, Trump must put a halt to the East and South China Sea developments.

 

[Boomboom521]

I don't have a problem admitting it. My point isn't so much results at this point, it's only been a couple of months. It's the priority he seems to be placing on it.


My faith is unwavering in General Mattis. There is nowhere he would want to go that I would not follow.


Like the economy, it's the priority he is seemingly placing on it.

Edit**: I should add that I believe the approach he is taking on the issues also aligns with my belief on the best way to handle them. Here is the kicker, I don't think it's a set in stone formula. You point the boat in the right general direction and leave yourself open to tack appropriately as needed. Too often I think politicians with zero business experience will ride a failing policy right into the ground, but by god they had a plan and position.

Well said

 

[moe]

Now you guys are on the hook for every act of violence and terrorism that takes place on American soil from here on out, you probably should have thought that one through

lol good one.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

lol good one.

Shhh, don't tell Brushy Bill this; he will **** his pants.

"No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, according to an analysis of terrorism immigration risks by the Cato Institute."

 

[Brushy Bill]

Shhh, don't tell Brushy Bill this; he will **** his pants.

"No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, according to an analysis of terrorism immigration risks by the Cato Institute."

And this proves what exactly? Can you guys see the future now? How many refugees since 1980 are from predominantly Muslim countries that actively hate the US. Like I said, you guys didn't really think this through, kind of like the 'nuclear option' amirite.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Shhh, don't tell Brushy Bill this; he will **** his pants.

"No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, according to an analysis of terrorism immigration risks by the Cato Institute."

You've already been beaten to a pulp on that garbage report. I'll pass, but thanks for offering yourself up again.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

And this proves what exactly?

That conservatives are a bunch of scared pansies, intolerant of any religion other than Christianity, don't accept anything that looks a little different and hate it when facts get in the way of their narrative.