Nazi's are National Socialists...
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You guys realize we're dealing with Nazi's AND commies. This isn't going to end peacefully if history is any indication.
Who books these speakers Paxx? Let me guess, Ann Coulter booked herself as a speaker online, when those lib administrators find out they block it.
Completely false. She was invited to speak by a conservative student group on campus. Nice try. Are you trying to justify fascist behavior on the part of the schools? Liberal speakers fine, conservative speakers, riots, assaults, property destruction and cancellation of those speeches.
Kind of hard to make the point that it is systemic when the faculty member you cited was fired for doing so.
The cancellations are happening all over the country. Not just students involved. Just one faculty member fired, the others not punished. The Berkeley prof that attacked a person with a bike lock may be arrested for assault, we can only hope.
Condi Rice, Ben Carson, Jason Riley, Ben Shapiro, Dr. Charles Murray, John Derbyshire, etal. all cancelled. Fascists running campuses. I'm not even including Coulter or Milo.
Would you like for me to give you some stats on Commencement Speakers? Overwhelmingly liberal. I think you'll agree that Administration and faculty involved in those selections.
Check out Wellesley professors, for example:
Professors at elite college pen disturbing rejection of free speech, aim to silence debate on campus
Justin Haskins Mar 26, 2017 3:14 pm
Wellesley College from a distance. (Yowlong/Flicker's Creative Commons)
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An influential faculty committee at Wellesley College, a prestigious women’s liberal arts college in Massachusetts, is calling for the school to stop inviting speakers they say cause students “harm” by presenting their ideas.
In an e-mail sent throughout Wellesley College, Wellesley’s Commission for Ethnicity, Race, and Equity (CERE) says it opposes allowing speakers with “controversial and objectionable beliefs” to speak at the college, even though the committee says it believes free speech “is essential to a liberal arts education.”
The e-mail was obtained by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a group that promotes free speech on college campuses, and has been posted on the organization’s website.
CERE said in the e-mail speakers with controversial ideas “impose on the liberty” of members of the Wellesley community.
“There is no doubt that the speakers in question impose on the liberty of students, staff, and faculty at Wellesley,” said CERE in the e-mail. “We are especially concerned with the impact of speakers’ presentations on Wellesley students, who often feel the injury most acutely and invest time and energy in rebutting the speakers’ arguments. Students object in order to affirm their humanity. This work is not optional; students feel they would be unable to carry out their responsibilities as students without standing up for themselves.”
CERE also said the alleged harm done to students by speakers invited to the college could be avoided if free speech were limited.
“What is especially disturbing about this pattern of harm is that in many cases, the damage could have been avoided,” wrote CERE. “The speakers who appeared on campus presented ideas that they had published, and those who hosted the speakers could certainly anticipate that these ideas would be painful to significant portions of the Wellesley community.”
CERE suggests three criteria be met before a speaker is invited to campus.
“First, those who invite speakers to campus should consider whether, in their zeal for promoting debate, they might, in fact, stifle productive debate by enabling the bullying of disempowered groups. … Second, standards of respect and rigor must remain paramount when considering whether a speaker is actually qualified for the platform granted by an invitation to Wellesley. … Third, faculty and administrators should step up in defense of themselves and all members of the Wellesley community. The responsibility to defend the disempowered does not rest solely with students, and the injuries suffered by students, faculty, and staff are not contained within the specific identity group in question; they ripple throughout our community and prevent Wellesley from living out its mission.”
The letter is signed “In solidarity” by faculty members Diego Arcineagas, Beth DeSombre, Brenna Greer, Soo Hong, Michael Jeffries, and Layli Maparyan.
(Photo by Yowlong. Made available by Flickr’s Creative Commons.)
Yes. Was that a serious question? Any student group can book a speaker at every school I have ever known.
Without ANY permission from administration? They get to just pick a forum? Date and time? Capacity of admission? University just has to provide security without any say?
She was invited to speak on the 27th. She accepted. The school then placed severe restrictions which she accepted. They then cancelled her speech citing concerns because radical liberal fascists threatened violence. Here is what Cal Professor and very left liberal, Robert Reich, of the Clinton Administration had to say:
The decision to cancel Coulter’s speech drew sharp criticism from some on campus, such as Robert Reich, a Berkeley professor who served as labor secretary in the Clinton administration.
“This is a grave mistake,” Reich said in a Facebook post. He said universities should “do everything possible to foster and protect” free speech, writing that students should be allowed to hear Coulter’s arguments and question them.
“It’s one thing to cancel an address at the last moment because university and local police are not prepared to contain violence. … It’s another thing entirely to cancel an address before it is given, when police have adequate time to prepare for such eventualities,” he said.
I guess the fact that security is needed at all for Ann Coulter to speak is lost on BB entirely.
Boom, if you did any reading at all you would know that SCOTUS has has already ruled on this issue. No one is able to use security as an excuse for revoking free speech. The case law is clear on this. Berkeley will pay dearly in a court of law for what they did. Even one of their most liberal professors, Robert Reich, noted that in his post.
Let'r post some figures, shall we.
Murdered by lefty Communists
Stalin - approx 20 million dead
Mao - 60+ million dead
Pol Pot - 2 million dead out of 7 million total population
Murdered by lefty Nazi's
Hitler - 16 million dead
That's approximately 100 million dead, and those are conservative ([winking]) figures. You guys on the left are a bloodthirsty lot.:uzi:
Murdered by lefty Communists
Stalin - approx 20 million dead
Mao - 60+ million dead
Pol Pot - 2 million dead out of 7 million total population
Murdered by lefty Nazi's
Hitler - 16 million dead
That's approximately 100 million dead, and those are conservative ([winking]) figures. You guys on the left are a bloodthirsty lot.:uzi:
No, I am saying the university is obligated to provide security at these events. Organizers of the events are billed for at least some of that security. This is not hard boom. You can't stifle free speech with threats. That is fascism. It amazes me that you appear to be taking the side of the fascists.
This is how Auburn handled it:
A federal judge has ruled in favor of Richard Spencer's right to speak on Auburn's campus.
A supporter of Spencer, a white nationalist leader who is planning a rally at Auburn on Tuesday, filed a motion in court Tuesday seeking an injunction to force the University to allow him to speak. The court on Tuesday granted that motion, attorneys for the plaintiff and the University told The Plainsman.
The motion was filed in U.S. Federal District Court in Montgomery by Cameron Padgett — a Spencer supporter who said he booked Foy Hall for Spencer's speech — and his attorney.
"This is a matter involving the exercise of Plaintiff's rights as an American citizen to freedom of speech and to peaceable assembly to petition the governor for redress of grievances," his attorneys wrote in the order.
The attorney, Sam Dickson, said Tuesday afternoon that a federal judge ruled in their favor. The order has not yet been posted to the court's electronic filing system.
The University Office of Communications and Marketing confirmed the judge's decision and promised to abide by it.
"The university will abide by the judge's decision that Spencer be allowed to speak on campus tonight," Mike Clardy, Vice President of OCM, said. "We continue working closely with law enforcement officials to ensure the safety of the campus community."
In a letter to students regarding the Spencer event, Provost Timothy Boosinger, vice president for academic affairs, and Associate Provost Taffye Benson Clayton, vice president for inclusion and diversity, said Spencer would be allowed to speak in Foy Hall.
"This afternoon, a federal judge ruled that Auburn must allow Spencer to speak in the Foy Auditorium tonight," they said in their letter. "It is now more important than ever that we respond in a way that is peaceful, respectful, and maintains civil discourse. We are aware that various campus groups have planned events for this evening. Please know that additional security measures are being taken by the Auburn Police Division to uphold the safety of our community."
Spencer told The Plainsman Tuesday night that he and his supporters were seeking backing from the courts for their right to assembly and protest.
"An injunction has been filed," Spencer said yesterday. "We feel the law is on our side. I think it's very clear. The Supreme Court has been unequivocal in terms of supporting people in situations like ours."
Spencer said the motion seeking the injunction was filed Monday in Montgomery County, and University administrators were informed of its filing.
The controversial white nationalist has promised a showdown with University officials over freedom of speech on public college campuses after officials canceled his planned speech at Foy Hall.
“They think they have shut this down but they haven’t,” Spencer said. “I will give a speech on their campus. It is a public place. I think Auburn University is naive and has totally misunderstood who I am if they think that I am going to politely back out of this. I will be there 100 percent.”
Spencer, who paid $700 to the University for renting Foy Hall and more for security with the Auburn Police Department, said he would have come to the University and would have "been civilized," had administrators not canceled his event.
He was set to speak at 7 p.m. before the cancellation of his event. Spencer still plans to be at the University Tuesday evening regardless of whether he receives permission from administrators.
"What I'm going to do now is I'm going to make this into a massive event," Spencer said. "This is going to be a huge challenge to see whether we have free speech in the United States or whether we don't."
Spencer rose to national prominence for being punched at an anti-Trump protest in January and has been criticized for his alt-right views, which are a combination of racism, white nationalismand populism.
Citing security and safety concerns — and the possibility of "civil unrest" — the University canceled his visit, according to a statement issued Friday afternoon.
"In consultation with law enforcement, Auburn canceled the Richard Spencer event scheduled for Tuesday evening based on legitimate concerns and credible evidence that it will jeopardize the safety of students, faculty, staff and visitors," a University spokesperson said in a statement.
On Twitter, Spencer said he would be "flying people to Auburn and purchasing safety gear." Spencer told The Plainsman they would be "people to protect me and the activists."
Spencer's booking was canceled because of an assessment by the Auburn Police Division. Police may have a heightened presence on campus Tuesday ahead of Spencer's event and planned protests and rallies opposing his visit.
"The Auburn Police Division is continuing to work with its state and federal partners to monitor threat assessments associated with this event and will staff as appropriate to mitigate or assess any threats or safety concerns," said Assistant Chief William Matthews.
Several anti-Spencer events have been planned for Tuesday as well, including a music festival on the Greenspace, #AuburnUnites Music fest, intended to deny Spencer a platform on which to speak, the event's organizer said. The festival has been approved by the University and will be police protected.
UPDATE, 12:42 p.m.:
Students, faculty and staff should remain aware of their surroundings today, according to a University statement regarding Richard Spencer's visit to campus.
"In an effort to update the campus community regarding the recent cancellation of the Richard Spencer event, it is the university’s understanding that — despite our requests for him not to attend — Spencer may still appear on Auburn’s campus at some point today," the statement reads. "While the University does not know the specifics of if and when this event might unfold, the safety and security of the campus remains our highest priority. Students, faculty, and staff should remain aware of their surroundings and report any unusual or threatening activity to the Auburn Police Division (334-501-3100). The University is working closely with law enforcement to monitor the situation and any new developments."
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You are fixated on violence. Just the other day you were advocating violence against people that disagreed with you.
*****!
I find poeople who try to argue ignorance for the sake of being obtuse to be shallow and dishonest.
It is funny how just the other day I was pointing out why you are a ***** and now you are calling people that name. Thanks for confirming to me that I was not only correct in my assessment but that it really upset you.
So administration doesnt
so there isn't security at campus events? Cause you called me stupid for saying there was, and said you thought I went to college when I said that any group would have to have speakers and events approved by administration. So....is there security at events Dave? Is administration consulted or in the position to give a final approval before groups can book speakers and organize events on campuses?