NCAA lawsuit from Ed O'Bannon - this could get interesting

patdog

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And here's my black helicoptors conspiracy theory of the day.</p>
O’Bannon ended up talking to Sonny Vaccaro, the former sneaker executive and long-time adversary of the NCAA. Vaccaro put O’Bannon together with Hausfeld LLP, a major class-action firm

Vaccaro has been a thorn in the NCAA's side for a long time and has now set up the plaintiff in a potentially very damaging lawsuit with a good law firm. Vaccaro has also helped the Sidney's out in the past. Sidney is singled out for intense scrutiny for things that almost every top basketball recruit has done. Coincidence?

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Johnson85

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Bryce Drew deserves to be compensated for the look he puts on any Ole Miss fan every year during the NCAA commercials.

Maybe that's why UM refuses to support their basketball team. It'd be like MSU being forced to watch replays of Butler every time we made the tournament, but worse. Has to put a damper on enjoying the tourney.
 

KurtRambis4

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for him and 17 the NCAA. They are the most hypocritical organization ever. The spout all this BS about the "student athlete" blah blah blah and then when athletes try to be students, they screw them. Biggest. Joke. eVER. I like how the NCAA thinks the trial would be unfair to hold in California, but what to get it moved to Indiana...yeah, that will be fair.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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We're making buttloads of money off of them, but that's okay, they're getting an education that costs us a fraction of what we make off of them.
 

KurtRambis4

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They're sitting there making millions off these kids, and then some kids gets 2 pairs of reeboks instead of 1 and the 17 him. What a joke.
 

Irondawg

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I think the thing that started it though is a little bogus - the stuff about a team having his # and representation but not his name on the video game. That stuff has been going on for years. I remember on the old Tecmo Bowl where certain players weren't part of the union so you'd just have like Miami QB #13 instead of Marino but it was clearly supposed to be him. So that's been a long established idea.

The part about footage and stuff is sort of interesting as well but I can't see them winning that either. If they NCAA didn't sponsor the event then there wouldn't be a game so they own the rights to the video. Other sports own media rights so this is probably an easy one.
I'd love to see the NCAA cleaned up bigtime but I don't think a lot of the arguments here will end up holding up.
 

8dog

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doesn't most of the ncaa's money get returned to the schools...like MSU?

To me, this just means they are going to have to pay less money to schools and have to pay people like Ed O'bannon.
 

lawdawg02

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I think the thing that started it though is a little bogus - the stuff about a team having his # and representation but not his name on the video game. That stuff has been going on for years. I remember on the old Tecmo Bowl where certain players weren't part of the union so you'd just have like Miami QB #13 instead of Marino but it was clearly supposed to be him. So that's been a long established idea.
this area of the law has developed immensely in the last couple of decades. without getting into the specifics, using someone's likeness (number, height, weight, stats) is probably the same as just using their name. it just hasn't been proven in a court of law. YET.

i think the media rights of broadcasts is a totally different issue.
 

boomboommsu

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.....between 'representation' in Tecmo Bowl, and a game released today?

besides, do you think the NCAA would let you use the 'likenesses' of their copyrighted material for free? hell, they don't evenwant cellphone pictures at games if they can get away with it.
 

Johnson85

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against somebody that was selling welcome mats with his face on it? A little different b/c it was visibly him, but I'm not sure how much difference it should make. </p>
 

lawdawg02

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it was a picture of woods at augusta, but the difference is that it was an artist's work. here's a little analysis:

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<font size="3"><p align="justify">After recognizing that First Amendment protections may be limited by publicity rights, the court discussed how to distinguish between protected and unprotected expression. The court adopted a version of the copyright law's fair use test by focusing on whether and to what extent the new work is transformative. The court stated that "this inquiry into whether a work is 'transformative' appears to us to be necessarily at the heart of any judicial attempt to square the </p></font><font size="3">right of publicity with the First Amendment" [EN 40]. "When artistic expression takes the form of a literal depiction or imitation of a celebrity for commercial gain, directly trespassing on the right of publicity without adding significant expression beyond that trespass, the state law interest in protecting the fruits of artistic labor outweighs the expressive interest of the imitative artist" [EN 41].

The transformative test determines "whether a product containing a celebrity's likeness is so transformed that it has become primarily the defendant's own expression rather than the celebrity's likeness" [EN 42]. The court stressed that "when an artist's skill and talent is manifestly subordinated to the overall goal of creating a conventional portrait of a celebrity so as to commercially exploit his or her fame, then the artist's right of free expression is outweighed by the right of publicity" [EN 43]. In applying the balancing test, courts should not be concerned with the quality of the artistic expression. Rather the inquiry is more "quantitative than qualitative, asking whether the literal and imitative or the creative elements predominate in the work" [EN 44]. </p></font>

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Johnson85

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I think the welcome mat was an example used when discussing that case. As in would it change if the painting/picture was on a coffee mug or welcome mat.

But it looks like that would help O'bannon. Doesn't seem like there's a lot of artistic expression in trying to make a video game as lifelike as possible and imitating real people on real basketball teams.</p>