NCAA tournament to expand to 96 teams?
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The luster becomes getting one of the 32 byes (top 8 seeds)
The proposal I saw was the following.
Top eight teams are seeded accordingly into four regionals.
All conference regular season champions as well as conference tournament champions receive bids
Next 32 best teams are seeded 9-16 and will host first round games.
Remaining 32 teams are matched up regionally on campus (e.g. a 9-seed type Mississippi State would host Mississippi Valley), with the winner advancing to play the 8 seed in the pre-determined regional.
Your 16-seed type then becomes a team like South Carolina that has shown they can beat a top tier team, but they would have to beat an upstart mid-major to get to that game.
I'm all for it. I hate the NIT like I hate the St. Petersburg Bowl.
The proposal I saw was the following.
Top eight teams are seeded accordingly into four regionals.
All conference regular season champions as well as conference tournament champions receive bids
Next 32 best teams are seeded 9-16 and will host first round games.
Remaining 32 teams are matched up regionally on campus (e.g. a 9-seed type Mississippi State would host Mississippi Valley), with the winner advancing to play the 8 seed in the pre-determined regional.
Your 16-seed type then becomes a team like South Carolina that has shown they can beat a top tier team, but they would have to beat an upstart mid-major to get to that game.
I'm all for it. I hate the NIT like I hate the St. Petersburg Bowl.
1. We have to change how we evaluate coaches---just getting in is nothing to write home about, but getting a top 8 seed is possibly tougher than just getting in to the tournament as it stands.
2. The line between 8 and 9 is almost irrelevant yet now it becomes huge which one you are.
3. Something about 7-9 SEC team vs. 9-7 OVC team doesn't scream march madness to me.
2. The line between 8 and 9 is almost irrelevant yet now it becomes huge which one you are.
3. Something about 7-9 SEC team vs. 9-7 OVC team doesn't scream march madness to me.
I think it helps out those small schools who win their conference but lose their conference tournament. There will still be bubble teams. But they will besuckier bubble teams.
This way, we can get more than two teams in if Kentucky has a bad year. Plus there are so many mid-major type teams that get in now, I'm not sure you really get all of the best teams in under the current system. This just shows the difference between basketball and football. The ncaa is trying to give more teams a chance in basketball, whereas in football there are only about 20 teams that have a chance of winning a championship.
a 16 has never beaten a 1, and a 15 has rarely beaten a 2. now they don't have to. a 16 wouldhost a17 in the 1st round, and would more often get to experience a tourney victory.
so basically, this dilutes the effect of crappy conference champions taking up too many of theoverall bids, while still giving them a shot? gotta like that.
so basically, this dilutes the effect of crappy conference champions taking up too many of theoverall bids, while still giving them a shot? gotta like that.
the way it is now, only the best 45 or so teams get in. Take out all the b.s. teams and have the true best 64 in there and there's no need to expand.
just no automatic bids to teams like Morehead State or Cal State Northridge or Radford or Akron or Steven F Austin or American or Binghamton or the such.
I guess the better way to state it would be make the entire field of 64 RPI-earned. I do still think a conference tourney champion from a major conferenceshould get an automatic bid though.
I guess the better way to state it would be make the entire field of 64 RPI-earned. I do still think a conference tourney champion from a major conferenceshould get an automatic bid though.
apparently you missed an entire funny movie. well, it's moderately funny I guess. still some good gems in there. here's my reference:
Dan Patrick:
Hi there. I'm Dan Patrick.
Kenny Mayne:
And I'm Kenny Mayne.
Dan Patrick:
With the first seven months of the BASEketball postseason out of the way, the playoff picture is now starting to emerge.
Kenny Mayne:
So, with last night's victory over Boston, next week the Beers must
beat Indianapolis in order to advance to Charlotte. That's in an effort
to reduce their magic number to three.
Dan Patrick:
Right, and then the Beers can advance to the National Eastern Division North to play Tampa.
Kenny Mayne:
So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American
Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow
Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto,
then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round
robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, the two-man
sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be
crowned.
Dan Patrick:
Right.
Dan Patrick:
Hi there. I'm Dan Patrick.
Kenny Mayne:
And I'm Kenny Mayne.
Dan Patrick:
With the first seven months of the BASEketball postseason out of the way, the playoff picture is now starting to emerge.
Kenny Mayne:
So, with last night's victory over Boston, next week the Beers must
beat Indianapolis in order to advance to Charlotte. That's in an effort
to reduce their magic number to three.
Dan Patrick:
Right, and then the Beers can advance to the National Eastern Division North to play Tampa.
Kenny Mayne:
So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American
Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow
Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto,
then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round
robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, the two-man
sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be
crowned.
Dan Patrick:
Right.
MadDawg said:
Just curious, but why do you need a best 64/65? The tourney never claims to be a best 64/65. It ends up with the Top 40-45 every year, and that's plenty.
What the automatic bids do for the tourney is they make for an entertaining opening week of the tourney where you always see some Cinderella upsets. What they also do is they serve as a reward for playing well during the regular season. The difference between earning a 2 seed and a 5 seed makes the difference between opening with Fairfield or opening with a Texas Tech team that snuck in off the bubble.
The automatic bids that go to non-Top 50 teams are the single best part of the current NCAA format. The only reason you want it to be a true Top 64 is because your team ends up in that 45-64 range a good bit. If you don't win your conference or finish in the Top 45, why do you deserve a bid?
if you took the top 64 teams with no regards to conference champions and such.
We would be a 9 seed, playing an 8th seeded Old Dominion team (which we have already beaten.)
Syracuse would awit us in the second round, provided they got past Gonzaga in a 1-16 matchup.
Mid-majors that get in:
Butler and Utah State as 7 seeds
Old Dominion as an 8 seed
New Mexico as a 9 seed
St. Mary's, Cornell, and UTEP as 10 seeds
Northern Iowa as an 11 seed
Murray State as a 12 seed
VCU as a 13 seed
Wright State and San Diego State as 16 seeds
That's 12 teams not from the power 6, Gonzaga or the Atlantic 10. And get this, other than the 7-10's, here are the matchups
Old Dominion would play Mississippi State
New Mexico would play Arizona State
Northern Iowa would play Florida State
Murray State would play Michigan State
VCU would play Baylor
Wright State would play Duke
SDSU would play Kansas
Ole Miss would be an 11 seed playing Vanderbilt in this format.
We would be a 9 seed, playing an 8th seeded Old Dominion team (which we have already beaten.)
Syracuse would awit us in the second round, provided they got past Gonzaga in a 1-16 matchup.
Mid-majors that get in:
Butler and Utah State as 7 seeds
Old Dominion as an 8 seed
New Mexico as a 9 seed
St. Mary's, Cornell, and UTEP as 10 seeds
Northern Iowa as an 11 seed
Murray State as a 12 seed
VCU as a 13 seed
Wright State and San Diego State as 16 seeds
That's 12 teams not from the power 6, Gonzaga or the Atlantic 10. And get this, other than the 7-10's, here are the matchups
Old Dominion would play Mississippi State
New Mexico would play Arizona State
Northern Iowa would play Florida State
Murray State would play Michigan State
VCU would play Baylor
Wright State would play Duke
SDSU would play Kansas
Ole Miss would be an 11 seed playing Vanderbilt in this format.