NCHSAA

[buzzcoach]

Plz fix this playoff mess. Teams o- 9 and 0-10 playing in playoffs is dumb. What's the point? And some teams have byes. Stop this next season plz. You did away with the split championship but kept same number of teams losing one regular season game and adding a playoff game.

 

[Griddie]

Plz fix this playoff mess. Teams o- 9 and 0-10 playing in playoffs is dumb. What's the point? And some teams have byes. Stop this next season plz. You did away with the split championship but kept same number of teams losing one regular season game and adding a playoff game.

Since Adams and Strunk left it’s a complete circus. Should have kept the subdivisions but got rid of them basically due to laziness and used a basic bogus survey which most AD’s and coaches never saw. The playoffs were fine, but they had to change it. They need to go back to what it was, tweak the RPI, and it will be good.

 

[TarVikes]

I like the no sub divisions. Just better off with 1A taking starting the playoffs a week later and only take 32 teams…16 from East 16 from west..

 

[TarVikes]

Plus with 1A - most 1A teams could really benefit with a bye week before the playoffs due to limited players.

 

[The Deerhunter]

Subdivide 1A and 4A

 

[KevinFromSwain]

NCHSAA is a joke. In it for the money and that's my two cents with change back.

 

[bigtime_87]

Go to top 16 on each side. Conference 1's split conference are auto and the 2's and 3's by record, RPI, whatever. These trash games are crazy.

 

[Griddie]

Subdivide 1A and 4A

At least do this, that’s where the biggest disparity is. I’d go 30% for 1A and 4A each and sub divide, then 20% in 2A and 3A and don’t subdivide. It’s an easy fix but common sense does not prevail up there

 

[TVILLEDAWG2370]

Can’t make everyone happy…everyone always downing the NCHSAA,just play the games…everyone complained about the NCHSAA when MIC was “forgotten” on the brackets and talked **** about them,then come to find out they were wrong because the NCHSAA had the information about what really happened,

 

[buzzcoach]

I'm not putting them down just my opinion.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

Nchsaa needs put down

 

[TVILLEDAWG2370]

Who and what organization isn’t motivated by money..it’s why we get up and go to work,it’s why we go to a college,all other sports leagues expanded their playoffs for more money…

 

[Tarboro Vikings fan 2018]

I still believe we should do the format we used in the spring first round 2nd round regionals States. Have a 11 game regular season or 12 and then the playoff format I previously mentioned

 

[LetsGetIt7]

I agree the current system is flawed, NC has 400 and some member schools and it’s 1A-4A. Meanwhile down in SC they have 200ish member schools and it’s 1A through 6A. 4 state champions isn’t enough. Need to expand the classifications and evenly divide them. Ncshaa needs an overhaul for sure but having DPI take over is the wrong answer.

 

[Griddie]

I agree the current system is flawed, NC has 400 and some member schools and it’s 1A-4A. Meanwhile down in SC they have 200ish member schools and it’s 1A through 6A. 4 state champions isn’t enough. Need to expand the classifications and evenly divide them. Ncshaa needs an overhaul for sure but having DPI take over is the wrong answer.

Problem is where do charters and academies fall? Imo they need their own classification.

 

[LetsGetIt7]

Problem is where do charters and academies fall? Imo they need their own classification.

I think if we were to go to 6 classifications, the charters and the academies automatically are moved up 1 classification. So someone like MIC or Thomas Jefferson couldn’t be in 1A they would get bumped up

 

[Griddie]

I think if we were to go to 6 classifications, the charters and the academies automatically are moved up 1 classification. So someone like MIC or Thomas Jefferson couldn’t be in 1A they would get bumped up

Yeah but many don’t play football and that’s not fair to other schools. So 2A will have a bunch of non football schools? Makes no sense. They need their own. Then divide the rest into 5 or 6 classes

 

[Old Mountaineer]

I think if we were to go to 6 classifications, the charters and the academies automatically are moved up 1 classification. So someone like MIC or Thomas Jefferson couldn’t be in 1A they would get bumped up

Why would they move up? I know now they use more then just the ADM to decide classification now but if you're just looking at ADM MIC has 533 and TJ is one of the smaller 1A schools at 355 while there are serval 1A schools over 600 one at least at nearly 700.
Thing is in 1A the East now only has 31 teams the West 34 in football you add 2 more classifications and pull more schools out you may not have enough teams for a 32 team bracket much less a 64.
Right now you've got 426 high schools 106 2A & 4A ..107 1A & 3A .. adding 2 more classes would be 71 schools per classification , right now in 4A out of 106 there's 1 school that doesn't play football in 3A 2 schools in 2A 7 schools so they'd have enough to have a 32 team bracket which the other states I've looked at with 5,6 & 7 classifications do some only have 40 something schools per class, Texas only has a 12 team bracket playoffs per classification.
But in 1A there are 43 schools who don't play football, I don't know their size but if they're all to small to move up that leaves you with 28 schools so we'd actually probably need more schools moving down to 1A then moving up.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

Even split is not going cut it. Everyone knows the most disparity is in 1a and 4a.

 

[REWhitley]

Asheville has a solid defense and a decent offense. As a 3A school, which we have been in for decades, we would have a legit chance to make a deep playoff run. As a 4A school we will be lucky to win this 1st round matchup. We have just over 1,000 students to Davies nearly 1,800. If we are so lucky to win Friday, we will play either multiple time state champion butler with over 2,000 students or multiple time state champion mallard creek with over 2,000 students. I have been very happy with what coach Radford has done with our program and love how he gets our guys to play and compete, however I just don’t see a way we could ever make a deep deep playoff run with the way the playoffs are currently set up. Sure, a team with 300 students can beat a school with 1,200. Sure Asheville, with 1,072 students can beat a school with 2,500 students.… but can you do it 4-5 times in a row like you have to in the playoffs? Eventually the law of averages will catch up with you.
The last few decades we have had to beat schools in similar size to us to advance in the playoffs, this year we could be playing schools 3 times the size of us. It seems like this year, out of everybody currently in the playoffs, the small 4A schools are at the biggest disadvantage. I’m sure AC Reynolds fans feel the same way. How can it be that a school with just over 1,000 students is in the same bracket as a school with 3,400? Anyway….

It looks like Davie county has some legit players, we will have our hands full. I hope they enjoy their trip to North Carolina’s best high school football stadium…. but not too much.

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I think your point on 1000 students vs 2000 students is absolutely on point. And if you think the point is valid as you stated it, think about the 300 student body vs a 600 student body. I would argue is much more on point.

I can assure you the 300 student body (let's assume 150 males) has a much harder time finding 24 to 30 solid football players than the 600 (300 males) student body does.

Maybe there is not as much degree of difficulty in find 5 to 7 basketball players in a small body than it does 24 to 30 football players. North Stokes High School 1A dresses out 14, that is right, 14 football players. Elkin is down to about 18 or 19.

I do not normally, in fact have never, post anything negative about the NCHSAA but the decision to move back to just 4 classifications for football is a strong indication that on that decision day they were brain dead; completely brain dead.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

I assume people wanting to got up to 5A or 6A feel to much a size difference between 1A schools so if you go by when it was subdivision you basically go by a cutoff over 500 AA under 500 A though you had like Mitchell who at 489 played in both with that number. But let's say in a 5A or 6A for 1A schools under 500 , right now in football you've got something like 21 schools 500 to 599 and 7 over 600 ( by the way you have smaller 2A schools) that leaves you with 36 schools who play football in 1A giving them 79 schools total but like I mentioned before an even 6 way split is 71 so that leaves you with 28 playing football because 8 of the larger schools are all football schools and would have to go to 2A so if you give 1A the 79 to get the 36 then three classes would get 69 and two 70.
With 5A you'll have one class with 86 and the rest with 85. If 1A was the 86 then you'd have around 43 football schools so you'd still have 7 adm 500+ schools.
This isn't about being for or against but just the approximate numbers you'd be dealing with.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

Don't do an even split.

 

[Mbulld]

Cap 1a at 500 and play a 32 team bracket
Simple

 

[Old Mountaineer]

Don't do an even split.

One scenario I didn't under 6A I gave 1A the most at 79 to at least have 36 football schools which made it something like 79-69-69-69 -70-70. Thing is the choice is ether having only 36 football teams or not. No matter how you want to split it anything above 36 there will be schools with an Adm over 500.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

Cap 1a at 500 and play a 32 team bracket
Simple

So you want 36 teams total in football in 1A with a 32 team bracket?

 

[Mbulld]

So you want 36 teams total in football in 1A with a 32 team bracket?

What’s wrong with that
Mitchell still has to beat the smc

 

[Mbulld]

The way it is now Mitchell has bigger problems than the smc to worry about

 

[Griddie]

No subdivision, 32 teams total for playoffs, 5 classes. I'm not a fan of the nchsaa as it stands, but it is what it is. It could be perfect and people would still find something to complain about.

You have to do at least six classes then

 

[Old Mountaineer]

What’s wrong with that
Mitchell still has to beat the smc

Didn't say anything wether it's wrong or not just asking if that's what you're recommending. The only thing I see would come up at playoff time people are complaining this year that everyone just about got into the playoffs this year so I just wondered if they would complain about only 4 not getting in with this scenario. Not sure what Mitchell having to best SMC has to do with it we'll always go together in any scenario except for Swain who'd move up.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

What about 4 (25%)classes with 1a and 4a split

 

[Old Mountaineer]

What’s wrong with that
Mitchell still has to beat the smc

If you get deep enough in the playoffs you've got to beat a good team I don't care what conference their in

 

[Old Mountaineer]

What about 4 (25%)classes with 1a and 4a split

That's what it is now.

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

1a and 4a are not split

 

[Old Mountaineer]

1a and 4a are not split

Okay I'm slow sometimes..in split are you talking about in the playoffs? 2A & 3A having playoffs as is and 1A & 4A subdividing the playoffs like before.
Or are you talking about conferences taking the 1A & 4A 107 schools and splitting them?

 

[Mbulld]

If you get deep enough in the playoffs you've got to beat a good team I don't care what conference their in

What’s your goal
Make everybody equal or Mitchell win a ship

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

Split for the playoff.

 

[KevinFromSwain]

How about we cap each classification with a maximum student body size and have 6 titles for 1A through 6 A and those schools that have more than 1850 have their own championships. 7 titles in all. Next would be the cutoff points for each class. Cut 1a down to 499 and less, 2a 500 to 749, 3a 750 to 999, 4a 1000 to1299 5a 1300 to 1599 and 6 1600 to 1799. Yes this would screw up large conferences, but a conference with just three or four teams would make for some H E double toothpicks would build some huge rivalries!

 

[Griddie]

1a and 4a are not split

Go 30-20-20-30 and subdivide only 1A and 4A. That would be ideal imo

 

[FarWestNorthCarolinaSports]

Basically that's how 1a has been.

 

[Old Mountaineer]

What’s your goal
Make everybody equal or Mitchell win a ship

To be honest I haven't thought about how it affects Mitchell one way or the other @ 489 and probably will drop more so they're 1A no matter how you go and certainly don't see any format that would hand them a ship and wouldn't want one that way if there was.
The way it is now with 64 teams I would have rathered seen a 32 team bracket I like as quality of teams you can have in the playoffs no matter what you'll have some 1st round games that will be lopsided but you can look ahead at this year's 2nd round which except for a couple games 16/17 and 15/18 were the lower seed can win it'll be what a 32 team would have looked like which will be more competitive like the playoffs should be.
But I do think they should go back to using ADM only but there are serval small schools seeded higher then bigger schools I've seen years when it was subdivision that I thought the A was better the the AA and vice versa, as far as Mitchell @ 489 has been in A & AA playoffs and probably has had more success going deeper in AA including their only champ game appearance.
I do think probably it just be at least below 600 with the new way they did the conferences this year you have one school @ 671 and one @ 680 though the 680 was just .500. while you've got schools in the low 600's and in the upper 500's in 2A.