Lincoln Riley no experience, Ryan Day no experience, Cristobal no experience really, Dabo no experience. It’s about recruiting, not experience. Hire good coaches is main thing but the HC needs to be a recruiter!!!
One game. Against Wazzu. Give me a break.
A great scenario.A WSU that was kicking our butts for the 1st half. It looked a lot like a continuation of the Stanford debacle.
Donte Williams will eventually be a head coach somewhere. If his ego can handle it, I believe the best-case scenario is that USC goes and hires a proven coach, a coach that gets us back in the national conversation again and routinely finishes in the Top 10, if not Top 5 and landing in the CFP. This coach retains Williams on staff, grooming him to eventually take over, and Williams takes the baton and runs with it, with little discernible drop-off from his predecessor.
A WSU that was kicking our butts for the 1st half. It looked a lot like a continuation of the Stanford debacle.
Donte Williams will eventually be a head coach somewhere. If his ego can handle it, I believe the best-case scenario is that USC goes and hires a proven coach, a coach that gets us back in the national conversation again and routinely finishes in the Top 10, if not Top 5 and landing in the CFP. This coach retains Williams on staff, grooming him to eventually take over, and Williams takes the baton and runs with it, with little discernible drop-off from his predecessor.
Hector — what’s the deal?
You have it out for August. His take was 100% football related. Didn’t attack anyone. Claudough? Is this the hill you wanna die on? Defending a below average football coach who was handsomely paid to be inept for over 5 years?
Lincoln Riley no experience, Ryan Day no experience, Cristobal no experience really, Dabo no experience. It’s about recruiting, not experience. Hire good coaches is main thing but the HC needs to be a recruiter!!!
Folks,
I was just reflecting on these two. Should we put all of our eggs in the head coaching experience basket? I'm not sure what we should do, but this is a fact worth considering.
Jaxtrojan (Bruce Bagni)
+1USC needs to see to it that #3 is not an issue.
Just like the draft is the most important part of success in the NFL, recruiting is the numero uno qualification. We are a recruiting hotbed and while I agree that we don't need USC retreads on the staff, you absolutely MUST have guys who know LA, the HS coaches, and that have known these kids and their families for years developing relationships. Donte has that probably more than anyone in the country. If he's the HC, you know damn good and well that he will be out in the community hanging out in the HSs and with the HS coaches...and like Pete Carroll will have California locked down. You need the coordinators and other staff to be beyond experts in the Xs and Os of the game. You need other staff at the skill positions who are qualified to teach the proper techniques and instincts that will create execution of the Xs and Os. Just because Donte has been here for two years does not make him a USC insider or even anything like Kiff, Sark, Helton, JRob, or anyone else. Let's evaluate him and others on the most important qualities that we need to build a winner.My opinion is that our last 3 hires (since CPC) were bad hires not so much because of lack of experience as because they were "insider" hires, hires who had previous connections to USC. First we had hires from the CPC tree (Kiffin then Sark) and then that turned into the Kiffin tree (Helton, which was also just a lazy, lazy hire).
I'm not against hiring Williams because of lack of experience so much as I am because I think it's HIGH time to hire completely fresh blood. Someone who will come and bring in an entirely new staff, someone with NO previous USC ties.
I'm not in the camp that we need to hire a coach with such a track record as Dabo, Saban, Urban, etc. because that level of coach is absolutely not available right now, there are just too few of them. But that's not really needed. As others have pointed out, many past coaches have had great success who never had head coaching experience before (but honestly people, do we really want to risk the next 3-5 or more years on that kind of risky hire just because it has worked sometimes in the past???). No, I'd much rather hire a coach who has at least some HC experience, along with at least a few of the following qualifications: shown that he can take a program and turn it around OR taken a program that's had some success and turned it into real success, won't put up with undisciplined ****, runs tough practices and a tight program, and preferably is defensive minded. We've had enough soft-azz offensive coaches in the recent past.
I'm sure there are a few more things I'm missing from my list that I'd like, but I really don't think it's a NC proven coach or bust, nor do I think the answer is simply hiring what we already have. There's GOT to be a happy medium, a successful coach who could do wonders with what USC brings to the table as far as talent and recruiting opportunities.
Fine, then try to incentivize him to stay on staff. However, I want a coach with experience. A good recruiter is well and good, but he's also gotta be able to do everything else a coach needs to do. In fact, sometimes the HC doesn't even need to be the best recruiter. That's what you got staff for.Just like the draft is the most important part of success in the NFL, recruiting is the numero uno qualification. We are a recruiting hotbed and while I agree that we don't need USC retreads on the staff, you absolutely MUST have guys who know LA, the HS coaches, and that have known these kids and their families for years developing relationships. Donte has that probably more than anyone in the country. If he's the HC, you know damn good and well that he will be out in the community hanging out in the HSs and with the HS coaches...and like Pete Carroll will have California locked down. You need the coordinators and other staff to be beyond experts in the Xs and Os of the game. You need other staff at the skill positions who are qualified to teach the proper techniques and instincts that will create execution of the Xs and Os. Just because Donte has been here for two years does not make him a USC insider or even anything like Kiff, Sark, Helton, JRob, or anyone else. Let's evaluate him and others on the most important qualities that we need to build a winner.
Kiff and Sark's issues were that they didn't have the right staff around them. Remember, Kiff had poppa as the DC and had to fire him. Helton was on those staff too. They just didn't have competent staff. I think if we had given them an experienced but younger DC and OC, they would have been far more successful. Additionally, Kiff and Sark were both proficient play callers...Xs and Os guys if you will. They were not prepared to be head coaches. I guarantee they were meddling with the details when they should have been leading.Believe it or not recruiting is not as important as infrastructure. Kiff and Sark recruited very well, but nothing was in place for development and discipline. The HC needs to be a competent recruiter, but must be a master administrator. It's why I like Fickell. He's not the only one I like but he's the most plausible. I would prefer not to have another rah rah guy at the helm. Slow and steady will win this race.
Touche, but I think it was more like bubble screen, gain five on a run, 40 yard pass incomplete....or another bubble screen for a gain of one. Remember, Kessler had freakishly great completion and efficiency numbers. I don't think Kiff and Sark really had the QB talent we have now.I don’t recall the proficient playcalling.
I do recall the same plays, with the same personnel for those plays being run.
1st down- Bubble screen, gain of two
2nd down- Run off tackle right, gain of one
3rd down- Fade down the right sideline, incomplete.
4th down- Punt
That’s what I remember.
Right! I laugh when people bring up McKay and that 3 yards and a cloud of dust football to make a point about today’s game. Nobody is winning using student body right and student body left these days. If it worked people would use it. Georgia tried and got smoked by teams with more advanced offenses.McKay was 400 years ago. We can't afford to make the same mistake we did with dough.
John Robinson had a circle of friends that included, Dick Vermeil, Chuck Knox and John McKay by the time he got the Job he was as seasoned as they come with all these elite resources around him. Comparing a John Robinson hire to our current situation is insane. John Robinson just didn’t show up one day and get the job google his coaching experience before they hired him.Ridiculous argument.
For every McKay, there’s 50 Claydough’s.
It’s actually insulting to McKay and RoBo to assume just anyone, any old new coach can come in and do what they did.
It cheapens their accomplishments.
They are considered great because what they did rarely happens. And there’s reasons for that.
Levy was the heir apparent. RoBo wasn’t even on staff in ‘75.
Politics made that decision.
Their initial game plan was screwed by the players pressing too hard. Scoring 28 to 45 unanswered points isn't normal for any USC team over the past 7 years.Gotta do a lot more than 2 quarters of football. I don't know why so enamored. The initial game plan was bad. They won on talent and not by plan. Take that game plan against BYU, Oregon, or maybe even Fresno or SDSU and you'll lose. Enjoy the win, but you should be asking for more from a national search.
Yep. “3 and Out Sark”.1st down- Bubble screen, gain of two
2nd down- Run off tackle right, gain of one
3rd down- Fade down the right sideline, incomplete.
4th down- Punt
Believe it or not recruiting is not as important as infrastructure. Kiff and Sark recruited very well, but nothing was in place for development and discipline. The HC needs to be a competent recruiter, but must be a master administrator. It's why I like Fickell. He's not the only one I like but he's the most plausible. I would prefer not to have another rah rah guy at the helm. Slow and steady will win this race.
Every USC coach is a good recruiter. Even he-who-shall-not-be-named. The next USC coach will recruit well. The one after that, and the one after than...
Pete used to say that you could get 10 new first-round picks every year in college if you are good at talent evaluation and recruiting. It was far easier to manage a quality personnel roster in college than in the pros. Let's not sell those skills short. Each position coach must be a lights-out talent scout.
No because their site brought all their balding and overweight men who don't have an ounce of respect or integrity during the merger lmaoRidiculous, pompous and arrogant response.
And the man’s name is Clay Helton.
Stop being so insulting and dismissive of others.
Do you know how to frame an argument without being insulting, marginalizing or ridiculing?
Yes. Unless Donte does something really special, we need to go after a head coach with a winning resume.Folks,
I was just reflecting on these two. Should we put all of our eggs in the head coaching experience basket? I'm not sure what we should do, but this is a fact worth considering.
Jaxtrojan (Bruce Bagni)