Neuqua v Warren

[Nape]

What should Neuqua expect from Warren? I know about the great D but still breakdown the team a bit for me. What’s the O like? Who are the key players? Schemes? Coaching?

As for Neuqua.....their O revolves around Will Chevalier (Chevy). He’s their RB and one hell of a tough kid. He is not the biggest kid but he’s built solid as a rock. Arm tackles won’t bring him down. He’s also a very dangerous receiver in space. If he gets that space he’s more than likely gone.

Our QB, Gronowski, has progressed nicely in his first year as a starter. He’s a big kid (6’2, 2 bills) with a strong arm. He can run the ball effectively and has deceptive wheels. His decision making early in the season was suspect but he’s getting better. If he can avoid the bad INT (ie the pick 6 to NC with 13 seconds left in a tie game) then our O will be effective. His wideouts are big (Hoffman), athletic (Larkin), and speedy (Stare). If we can get time to throw we can be effective. Also keep an eye on Stare during kickoffs. He housed 4 this year.

Defensively we are typical Neuqua....big in the trenches, athletic and instinctual at LB, and a bit lacking in the secondary (but can be effective...see Thorne stats against us).

I imagine this will be a sledgehammer game decided by turnovers and big plays.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

What should Neuqua expect from Warren? I know about the great D but still breakdown the team a bit for me. What’s the O like? Who are the key players? Schemes? Coaching?

As for Neuqua.....their O revolves around Will Chevalier (Chevy). He’s their RB and one hell of a tough kid. He is not the biggest kid but he’s built solid as a rock. Arm tackles won’t bring him down. He’s also a very dangerous receiver in space. If he gets that space he’s more than likely gone.

Our QB, Gronowski, has progressed nicely in his first year as a starter. He’s a big kid (6’2, 2 bills) with a strong arm. He can run the ball effectively and has deceptive wheels. His decision making early in the season was suspect but he’s getting better. If he can avoid the bad INT (ie the pick 6 to NC with 13 seconds left in a tie game) then our O will be effective. His wideouts are big (Hoffman), athletic (Larkin), and speedy (Stare). If we can get time to throw we can be effective. Also keep an eye on Stare during kickoffs. He housed 4 this year.

Defensively we are typical Neuqua....big in the trenches, athletic and instinctual at LB, and a bit lacking in the secondary (but can be effective...see Thorne stats against us).

I imagine this will be a sledgehammer game decided by turnovers and big plays.

Oh man - you gave the scouting report directly to Newt and it will now go directly to warren coaches!

In all seriousness - this should be a good game. I’m very interested to see the Neuqua Offensive vs the Warren Defense.

Soecial teams cannot be talked about enough as one of NVs strengths. That Stare kid (also WR) ran back how many kick returns for TDs? 4 per Buck. He got one vs WV and almost had another. Also Lots of short fields - that cannot be over stated. He had another KO for TD in game one but a bunch of muggings and blocks in the back called that one back or he would have had 5 KOs for TD for year. glad the refs were on top of their game for that one!

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Similar styles. Warren likes to run behind a big O line. Can throw it when needed as they are decent sized on the outside.

Their defense is very good. Fast, athletic, big and gets to huge ball with bad intentions.

They’re young too - a sophomore and 5 juniors.

I’d expect this to be a good game - low scoring. And quick. Since both teams run a lot this thing could be done in 90 minutes

 

[kitty_bintingot]

Seems to me both defenses present match up problems for both offenses at least insofar as the run game goes. So I'm thinking this one will turn on which QB makes less mistakes/delivers in third down situations. NV skilled guys seem pretty good, as @NapervilleBuck suggested.

@LakeCtyNewt Is the Warren QB a soph?

 

[wasdo]

Nv. By 10 points.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Yes hes a sophomore

 

[kitty_bintingot]

Yes hes a sophomore

Thanks. Man so the Blue Devils are gonna be a household name for a while it seems.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Only two common opponents were Glenbard North and Stevenson.

Neuqua beat Glenbard North 27-6, Warren beat Glenbard North 19-0

Neuqua Valley lost to Stevenson 23-15, Warren beat Stevenson 21-0.

Not sure what to make of that other than its a miscellaneous fun fact that should be shared with no future game relevance.

 

[Nape]

Only two common opponents were Glenbard North and Stevenson.

Neuqua beat Glenbard North 27-6, Warren beat Glenbard North 19-0

Neuqua Valley lost to Stevenson 23-15, Warren beat Stevenson 21-0.

Not sure what to make of that other than its a miscellaneous fun fact that should be shared with no future game relevance.

I was at the Stevie game. Chevy didn't play as he was with the US Olympic U18 Rubgy team out in Cali. Rugby is his first love and he is an absolute BEAST on the pitch. Does Neuqua win that game with him? Who knows. But to be within 8 of a very good opponent without your best player tells me that they would have had a shot.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Transitive means very little.

I could counter with Stevie not playing well down the stretch when Warren faced them. However - They were in the early part of the season when they played a Chevieless NV.

Another example:
Game 3: WV 17 NV 10
Game 6: NV 47 WV 16

Game 3? - WV offense at least had a pulse back then and could sustain more than a drive or two and did not turn the ball over. NV QB still getting his sea legs.

Game 6? - WV turned the ball over a few times and gave up a special teams TD and I think a pick 6. NV QB was playing very well also.

Point is - you just don’t know which team you are going to get and every game is different.

 

[kitty_bintingot]

Transitive means very little.

I could counter with Stevie not playing well down the stretch when Warren faced them. However - They were in the early part of the season when they played a Chevieless NV.

Another example:
Game 3: WV 17 NV 10
Game 6: NV 47 WV 16

Game 3? - WV offense at least had a pulse back then and could sustain more than a drive or two and did not turn the ball over. NV QB still getting his sea legs.

Game 6? - WV turned the ball over a few times and gave up a special teams TD and I think a pick 6. NV QB was playing very well also.

Point is - you just don’t know which team you are going to get and every game is different.

Well done. Someone could/should write a short monograph on the reasoning we commonly use in forming the beliefs we have about what HS football teams are better than others or about who's going to win which match up. But I ultimately agree with you and think that trying to predict what's gonna happen is an activity that, well, isn't much more than whistling in the dark.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Well done. Someone could/should write a short monograph on the reasoning we commonly use in forming the beliefs we have about what HS football teams are better than others or about who's going to win which match up. But I ultimately agree with you and think that trying to predict what's gonna happen is an activity that, well, isn't much more than whistling in the dark.

Which is why is used the below statement.

Not sure what to make of that other than its a miscellaneous fun fact thatshould be shared with no future game relevance.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Based on everything I’ve heard and read, I just hope Warren can compete. Sure looks like an insurmountable task.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Based on everything I’ve heard and read, I just hope Warren can compete. Sure looks like an insurmountable task.

Warrens Defense will keep them in the game versus anyone. That is unless the offense has a bunch of untimely turnovers or special teams snafus! Didn’t Barrington get some special teams going against Warren?

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Warrens Defense will keep them in the game versus anyone. That is unless the offense has a bunch of untimely turnovers or special teams snafus! Didn’t Barrington get some special teams going against Warren?

Warren has a couple bad punts. Only one turnover against Barrington. No big returns in the kicking game.

 

[Nape]

Based on everything I’ve heard and read, I just hope Warren can compete. Sure looks like an insurmountable task.

Disagree 100% I'd say that I just hope that Neuqua can compete and keep it close. It really is a case of "in the eye of the beholder." Our only quality road win was at Normal Community (a solid program and tough out) on a kickoff return for a TD with 30 seconds left by Stare. Warren should be favored by a TD, IMO.

 

[Nape]

Warren has a couple bad punts. Only one turnover against Barrington. No big returns in the kicking game.

If Warren has a poor kicking game that will definitely favor Neuqua. As Voodoo pointed out our special teams are pretty special. We block punts, have tremendous blocking setting up the return game, and have Stare or Chevy returning kicks. Stare got his this year because everyone kicked away from Chevy.

I think the most interesting and important matchup is the Warren DL against the Neuqua OL. Our OL has dictated our success this year as much as our QB has. If the Warren DL is as advertised and controls the LOS then it will be a long day for Neuqua offensively.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Well the Barrington game was week one so I think they’ve fixed the kicking game a little since then.

As far as O-line D-line, I think a case can be made for every game won in the trenches.

 

[Nape]

Well the Barrington game was week one so I think they’ve fixed the kicking game a little since then.

As far as O-line D-line, I think a case can be made for every game won in the trenches.

Absolutely every game is decided to some extent in the trenches. This match up even more so.

 

[Nape]

WOTS is that Neuqua could be without a key cog in their offense tonight. Time will tell.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

WOTS is that Neuqua could be without a key cog in their offense tonight. Time will tell.

Naper

Regardless would love to meet you after the game to introduce. Safe travels North

 

[Nape]

Would love to but unfortunately my plans have changed. Have family in the hospital and need to be there for them. Here's to a hard fought, hard hitting, clean game tonight. Good luck to Warren.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Would love to but unfortunately my plans have changed. Have family in the hospital and need to be there for them. Here's to a hard fought, hard hitting, clean game tonight. Good luck to Warren.

Best wishes to your family member in the hospital. Good luck to Neuqua tonight.

 

[Duhawk44]

Well done. Someone could/should write a short monograph on the reasoning we commonly use in forming the beliefs we have about what HS football teams are better than others or about who's going to win which match up. But I ultimately agree with you and think that trying to predict what's gonna happen is an activity that, well, isn't much more than whistling in the dark.

If we eliminate "trying to predict" the outcome of the games based on past results, you've just made this site 99% obsolete!

 

[Anon1754760634]

If we eliminate "trying to predict" the outcome of the games based on past results, you've just made this site 99% obsolete!

99%.....come on man..

 

[Nape]

Confirmed on the missing starter. Sucks. Sounds like a key defender is out as well.

 

[Nape]

Best wishes to your family member in the hospital. Good luck to Neuqua tonight.

Thanks. Tough days.

 

[kitty_bintingot]

Maybe it's hard to tell watching on NFHS but was that an absolute smash mouth brawl or what?

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Very physical game. Not surprising at all.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Very physical game. Not surprising at all.

Congrats Newt. Love that warren D. You going to be a very very tough out. I have you guys going deep in my Kings bracket.

 

[Nape]

Congrats, Newt. Sledgehammer game as I figured it would be. Gronowski was a lost sheep tonight. Losing Stare didn’t help but when you rarely give the ball to Chevy you have exposed your gameplan for all involved.

 

[CG Fan]

How do you think Warren matches up with Hinsdale.

 

[MikeBMW]

Maybe it's hard to tell watching on NFHS but was that an absolute smash mouth brawl or what?

It was. NV had its chances to win but could not capitalize on bad turnovers by Warren. It was closer than the final score shows. NV is well coached, they were crashing in from the outside tripping up 24 and not giving up any points in the first half. They gave up a few long runs in the 3rd though and that was it. Warren needs to improve if they want to go deep in the playoffs . Way too many penalties and turnovers.

 

[Nape]

From what I saw on NFHS they were two pretty evenly matched teams. That first Warren drive of the second half (quick TD) changed the entire complexion of the game. Not having Stare (WR/KO man) and our starting MLB didn't help but this time of year you must overcome. Well done, Warren.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Warren was sloppy - lots of penalties for a team that commits very few.

Neuqua did a nice job stopping the run but the Walker kid still ran for 145-150 yards. They wear on you and it shows in the fourth qtr.

Was a little surprised Neuqua threw it as much as they did. Anyway win - advance. Neuqua is a good team. Better than the 6-3 record.

 

[Nape]

Warren was sloppy - lots of penalties for a team that commits very few.

Neuqua did a nice job stopping the run but the Walker kid still ran for 145-150 yards. They wear on you and it shows in the fourth qtr.

Was a little surprised Neuqua threw it as much as they did. Anyway win - advance. Neuqua is a good team. Better than the 6-3 record.

That was my point in an earlier post.....Neuqua has always been run first. To go away from Chevy and Moreno and try to allow Gronowski to beat you goes away from NV's strength. I get trying to mix up that nasty Warren D but you ride what got you to this point.

That little RB from Warren is a shifty little fella. He's tough in the open field. Good luck next week against the Red Devils. No Skrokna (sp?) will make it tough on HC to beat that D.

 

[micahjones]

Warren tried to switch it up a little tonight. Not sure why. A few younger kids were a little nervous at the start of game.
Like I have said Warren is the Baltimore Ravens of the 2000's. They play really good defense , solid O/D line (Big, athletic & physica) and have solid running back with a few good WR's. Hird just needs to manage the game. Warren may not look pretty but by the end of the Q3 and early 4th Quarter the opponents D/O Lines are not at thier Best. The opponents QB's take multiple hits all game. You will not run up the middle with JR Singleton (Best DT in Illinois) and Ronnie Belfort at NT (6'1 300 lbs bench over 300 lbs and squattibg 550 lbs) that you cannot move. Plus a 6'1 220 MLB ( Malachi McNeal). DE's (Mellican and Pelland) at 6'4 that hold leverage on the ends and get after the QB. Not sure how far warren will get but please take notice. Go Warren !

 

[Nape]

Agree with everything you said, micah. Their DL is beyond nasty. Neuqua scored a ton of points this year and barely dented the red zone tonight. D wins championships. Warren has that in spades. Congrats on the win.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Thanks Buck. We gotta play much better next week.

 

[Irish LB]

Stare out is a big blow, but they didn’t utilize him anywhere near enough if we’re being honest. I saw someone say they threw too much, I didn’t see a lot of the game and you’d probably know more than me but pretty much all year they under utilized their passing game. They were mostly predicable and didn’t take advantage of their weapons. Gronowski is a pretty good HS QB too imo.