We “weren’t” that far behind. We are much further behind now than we were in October. Like, years behind now.
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I’m in the Hartline camp. Ties to Ohio, knows what a successful program looks like, and it will hurt O$U.
I remember mentioning some things I'd heard a cpl yrs ago about the guy being a major turd but no one wanted to hear anything negative about the golden boy. Crazy how those things change when he's gone. lol
This search has put PSU back 10 years.
I never said I opposed the Franklin firing genius but he’s gone now and Kraft said he fired him for not winning Big and National Championships and that the fans deserve a Natty so excuse me for having the temerity to think he should live up to that big talk with his coaching hire.
Granted, flight tracking is not in my wheelhouse, but I went to that site and don’t see that flight, or any, outbound from Columbus to SC, or inbound from SC from Columbus. That particular Jet EJA640 has none of those routes scheduled.
I’m not talking about on-field success. Im talking about prestige/good-will. Indiana could win the MNC this year, but that doesn’t mean the program is ahead of PennState.
If we get the right coach, success will follow shortly. If we don’t, we still have good will. Not saying good will lasts forever (see Nebraska), but it doesn’t just disappear in a few months.
Franklin kept us relevant and in the conversation but he couldn’t get us over the hump. We need a coach to keep us relevant but also hopeful. When hope is gone, it’s time to move on.
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post. How exactly am I worshipping at the altar of former PSU football coaches when I have said repeatedly I have no problem with Franklin being fired. If you are referring to Paterno I thought and also said repeatedly at the time he should have left 10-15 years before his firing. Any other asinine and false attacks against me you care to make? Perhaps YOU should get help for your stupidity disease. Oh never mind there’s no cure for that.
I'm not but I think he might be a better choice than the direction Kraft is currently trying to go.
I don't think Kraft's current pursuit will pan out. BYU has taken Sitake's salary to over 6 million removed two people who stood in his way on NIL and recruiting gave him NIL money that match's TT's will raise assistant salaries. All coming from the Mormon church which Sitake grew up in. Sitake a dedicated leader within the Mormon church at Salt Lake City, I still don't see him leaving. But it seems anything can happen at this point.
I was a long time Franklin supporter then he publicly dissed the university among other stupid things thereby setting himself on fire. Up until this point I have been a Kraft supporter and now it appears he may be flaming out. So, now anything could happen.
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We aren’t getting over the hump any time soon. Again, we were closer to getting over the hump in October than we are now.
we were the hump in October and everyone was running us over.
Duke would have beaten Georgia Tech and Illinois if things had gone slightly differently in those games.
Then what are we now? The only P4 program without a HC for the last 50 days. We aren’t even a hump anymore.
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I’m not saying that Hartline was my first choice, but at this point I think we could do much worse.
PSU would have beaten Oregon if things would have went slightly different too.
Exactly. What would PSU’s season, and this board, look like if we had won that game? 12-0? 6-6? Nobody knows. But it could have made a HUGE difference.
Or maybe not.
Probably just Kraft. There is a growing number in that group.
agree. I believe he was 100% going to hire Rhule and it backfired and now here we are. I wonder if this coach stays at BYU? Information they are trying to retain him we shall see I guess.
Meyer had no ties to Utah (culturally or otherwise) and he went 12-0. He is from a football powerhouse state with ties to Ohio State. Florida has a ton of folks who have moved from Ohio.
The comparison of Sitake to Meyer is tenuous.
Agree completely. According to insiders, his first intention was simply to give it to his friend Rhule, and then Rhule proceeded to lose games and only then did he begin a “search.” He is unfit for this job.
All these people talking about where the program is at relative to making the Playoffs (many idiots on this board forget that the most imperative thing about winning a NC is giving yourself a chance by making the Playoffs as duhO$U clearly proved last year). How much you want to bet that VaTech is now closer to making the Playoffs than PSU thanks to Krafty The Clown's utterly inept handling of this change in regime? How much you want to bet VaTech will make the Playoffs before PSU makes them again? VaTech has been given a huge boost - Franklin has their returning roster plus any of their recruitting class he wants to keep, PLUS all the Portal X-fers and recruits that he's going to bring with him. I wouldn't be at all surprised if VaTech makes the Playoffs next year - they are going to be lightyears improved from this year. Krafty The Clown has been a real boon for succesful P4 coaches and VaTech and an absolute wrecking ball for PSU's program - the new coach regardless of who it is, is in about the worst possible position they could be in. They're going to have an utterly crap roster at this point (again regardless of who is named) made up primarily of X-Fer Portal scraps that no one else wanted and an awful 2026 recruiting class. Kids do not want to go to a loser - people act like kids are going to flock to a Sitake or Hartline in 2027???? And these a-holes want to talk about being "naive" regarding the new realities of the professionalization of CFB??? Top recruits don't want to go play for a former Co-OC with zero HC experience, let alone zero P4 HC experience who just turned in a horrendous season! They want to play for a winner that is going to make the Playoffs so they can showcase their talents for the NFL. Kraft hasn't put this program back a decade; he's put it into the utter abyss of irrelevance like a program such as UNL.
You're retarded---how do you know Kraft screwed this up?
It's not...great coaches can go anywhere and adapt. There's no reason to believe he'd be unable to recruit in areas like Philly. It's also why they build a staff.
People just want to be angry and it's comical.
Yes, the way this was going was always a possibility. As a matter of fact, this was the most likely scenario, unless he hired Kiffin. The true fear was hiring someone who ended up playing in the NC. So at this moment anyone who thinks Kraft screwed this up wanted him to settle on someone available immediately not who he felt was best for the job.
The butterfly effect. It *is* crazy to think about.
Beating Oregon in the game would likely have given us the momentum and confidence to beat UCLA and Northwestern, but it still seems like we were a bit of a paper tiger this year. But who knows.
What has Sitake done to make you think he’s a great coach? And why hasn’t he been mentioned with any other jobs? And there have been many coaches who had early success but couldn’t adapt. Rich Rod, Charlie Weis, Ron Zook, etc…
And nobody is angry at Sitake..the issue is that the guy appears to be a reach for a storied program such as Penn State. The issue is with Kraft.
I still think Kraft has a guy. It’s either a college playoff guy (crazy but maybe Freeman or Debore) or a pro guy with a team in playoff position. I think the strategy was give up the 2026 HS guys, get the NIL $$ and hit the transfers hard.
I personally hate this strategy….I WANT TO KNOW!… I love watching the HS recruits develop over 3-4 years. However, I think the strategy is longer range than the 2026 season! I think all the smoke about Meyer, Sitaki, et. al. was just speculation for clicks and trolling by fans of other programs.
Only Kraft knows. I just wish we, the team, the coaches who might be retained…..would get some honest info. But sounds like Kraft wants zero leaks.
OR…KRAFT HAS REALLY DROPPED THIS BALL. Maybe we’ll find Kraft is really working with Mark Emmett and this is our Death Penalty!
I personally hate this strategy….I WANT TO KNOW!… I love watching the HS recruits develop over 3-4 years. However, I think the strategy is longer range than the 2026 season! I think all the smoke about Meyer, Sitaki, et. al. was just speculation for clicks and trolling by fans of other programs.
Only Kraft knows. I just wish we, the team, the coaches who might be retained…..would get some honest info. But sounds like Kraft wants zero leaks.
OR…KRAFT HAS REALLY DROPPED THIS BALL. Maybe we’ll find Kraft is really working with Mark Emmett and this is our Death Penalty!
Let’s be realistic. 50.
The late 70s weren’t Penn State’s worst period of football.