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With the exception of Franklin, no one else was hired more than a week ago. How does this play out if you wait to fire Franklin until say, this past weekend? My guess is not much differently. Franklin is likely snapped up by VT in a couple days and recruits start to bail anyway. In the past, you had one signing day in February (and no portal) that allowed for classes to stay together while coaches were being hired and given a chance to make their case to the recruits. You can't do that now. I don't know how you have someone in place either; the top guys are mostly going to stay put. Terry Smith lobbying for the job (knowing he will never get it) doesn't help. What does he tell prospective recruits? 'At least I'll be here?' Pfft. Should have made AK and JK acting interim co-HCs and not risk further disruption/division by having a Franklin friend/loyalist in the position.
And I doubt even Kraft thought Franklin would bomb against UCLA and NW after such a hard fought game against Oregon. But Franklin checked out and needed to go. It's a tough situation.
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The incompetence that is on display now definitely will take longer to fix than what happened back in 2011, if it ever does get fixed, and I almost can't believe that I'm saying that.
LOL, as opposed to famously sunny and tropical Provo Utah?
eh it’s a dirty business both ways. They’re all overpaid gym teachers.
Takes two to tango, situation was clearly mismanaged by Kraft as well considering what the ultimate outcome was. Franklin are both jackasses in this situation.
We aren’t getting FLO. 
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BC retains O'Brien, raises financial commitment
Boston College, despite going 2-10 this season, is bringing Bill O'Brien back as head coach; the school is also increasing its financial investment in football.
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That's hard to believe, isn't it? The way this is being run is a disaster. And now we are holding out for this Sitaki guy? I'm sure he wasn't on anyones radar before this. I never even heard of him which shows how much I watch BYU Football. I just think its a terrible fit. Chesney was the guy to take a shot on.
if you wait to fire Franklin until this past weekend, you significantly delay the Jimmy Sexton extension roadshow we got to witness over the back half of the season and you don’t poison the pool of candidates well before you can legitimately sign one of them.
the timing only made sense if you were hiring someone out of work like urban or Fitzgerald.
I say shut the football program down. Then finish Beaver Stadium, adding a dome and HVAC and use it for wrestling matches.
If he legitimately isn’t going to decide until after the big 12 championship game, then yes. Because if he wins it they go to the playoff and he’s going to pull the same **** again.
he’s clearly not completely bought in.
Every program that fired their coach still has a recruiting class? Why is PSU different?
Also this insistence on hiring a home run hire is so stupid. Hire a good coach. There are a lot out there. Seems really stupid to risk a whole class of recruits for a home run hire that may or may not happen. Plus who the hell is considered a home run hire? Pretty much none of the best coaches in cfb were considered home run hires when they got hired.
Genius. Pure bleeping genius. What could possibly go wrong? Ask FSU.
No it doesn't. It merely gives BYU a full week to research an offer that will be amenable to Sitake - you have to be real naive if you think BYU doesn't know exactly what PSU is offering when they counter.
How many times is Kraft going to be allowed to play this absurd game - this is a "rinse & repeat" of every candidate he has gone after??? Kraft has proven the tried-&-true old hunting proverb "One in hand is more valuable than two in the bush" ten times over. He is now delaying a hire for another full week on a complete roll of the dice that he has lost on over and over and over again. This is beyond malpractice and straight up criminal at this point.
Are any of the fired coaches at p4 jobs or likely to end up at another one with apparently a large NIL war chest?
the reasons why also don’t matter. Florida having its recruiting class means nothing with regards to our class no longer existing. I
I guess the thinking is the long term effects of a lame duck HC sticking it out until the end of the year is worse than trying to get a head start on a coaching search, but as we're seeing, Franklin is a particular case - note none of the other fired coaches have ended up anywhere. If Franklin sits out the hiring cycle, we're much better off. So, one one hand we have Franklin taking all of his guys (coaches, staff, recruits, likely current players) with him and on the other we have to hire someone to reenergize the program. Tough task. Kraft will probably be fired but I don't know how what else he could have done save hiring Urban Meyer (or someone else not actively employed that is a big swing).
And you know that some coaches were complicit in poaching recruits how? Read it on Facebook?
The offer should have been a take it or leave it offer. If the decision is truly being made after the championship game, then Kraft is at risk of being played and wasting another week to find a coach. I have to believe that Sitake has already given his answer to Kraft.
3 years to produce a winning record??? You really think a new coach is going to recruit elite players (from HS or the X-Fer Portal) after multiple years of abysmally bad records???
LSU is LSU - those kids in that state want to go there no matter who the coach is. It's why Ed Orgeron and Les Miles can win National Championships there. Florida? No idea - my guess is the players knew Napier's time was coming to an end but loved the school anyway. Franklin's recruits were there for him mostly - not Penn State. Seeing that now.
Agree with your points.
We are the FIRST team in history to not have one person in a recruiting class. Let that sink in. And, if no one wants to sign in this class, it stands to reason that the majority of the current players will portal. As I said earlier, we won't have a full team of D1 talent next year, and they will be lucky to win 2 games. This won't be fixed in 3 years, if ever.
College football needs to adjust their timelines. Saban was talking about this the other day. Playoffs run into Jan now. Push signing day back to February and don’t open the portal until the spring.
I want him to find a candidate and sign today. If that candidate isn't Sitake then so be it. I'd rather have Brohm or Diaz today then Sitake next week and it's not even close.
I don't recall anyone saying it doesn't matter. It matters, just not to the point that you sacrifice hiring the coach you want to prevent it from happening, if that coach is unavailable until after signing day. Getting the right long term coach you want is more important than one signing day class. However what's unclear is whether Kraft is getting the coach he wants. If he both sacrifices the 26 signing day class and strikes out on the coach, then he screwed this up big time.
Agreed. It he wouldn't agree by now - honestly, he should have signed last week, I wouldn't have even given him past Sunday if I were Kraft - then you move on. You absolutely should not be negotiating with anyone by this point, it is well past the time to sign someone.
Honestly, if they are actually negotiating with Sitake instead of having him in the bag then I would talk to Chesney and sign him instead if the deal with UCLA isn't finalized.
Franklin doesn't appear to be a fraction of the jackass Kraft is..... in fact, Franklin has come out of this thing smelling like a rose - his compensation is fully intact, got a $9 mm payday from Kraft, is producing VoTech's best class in their history (and this doesn't even include what he's going to bring over via the X-Fer Portal)..... and looks like he will have a legit ACC Contender next year (i.e., potentially make the Playoffs) in his first year at VoTech
That’s fair enough. What I’m curious about is if Kraft gave him that deadline, or any deadline at all. It would be extremely questionable if Kraft is not asking for a yes or no final answer by his own timeline.
This is a sensible take. I’m open-minded about Sitake even if I prefer other candidates not really being pursued, but in regards to Kraft, he appears to have completely placed himself in a corner that will define the rest of his big university AD career.
Agree to disagree. The right guy is far more important than the next guy.
I have yet to see any "home run" hire by any school except arguable Kiffin (who has his own baggage and isn't really a good fit for PSU) and that includes programs like Florida. It just doesn't seem like that was out there to get and it happens. So, you move on and sign the best candidate you can actually sign... and do it in the appropriate timeframe (which means they should have been signed and announced by last Sunday or yesterday at the absolute latest).
We aren’t getting FLO.
BC retains O'Brien, raises financial commitment
Boston College, despite going 2-10 this season, is bringing Bill O'Brien back as head coach; the school is also increasing its financial investment in football.
We got all the incompetent hacks we need from BC with Krafty The Clown.
Go take your psych meds and shut up.
Not for nothing, but even if we don't sign anyone tomorrow, we can still sign players in the later signing window which isn't until February. So even with the abysmal worst case scenario I doubt we'll have zero people in this class.