New coach

[fastlax16]

I just laugh that we are now going to start throwing the AD under the bus because a current Bear Bryant isn’t really interested in the PSU job. Why would a current successful Coach sign up for the visuals that the outside world just saw Franklin go through if they are getting paid where they are? Franklin couldn’t even walk off the field with out verbal assault. Obviously, it’s not about just how much money a Coach could make at PSU. If it was a new Coach would already be on board.

has nothing to do with bear bryant. I didn’t expect a coach before the 30th. It being dec 2nd and there still not being one is a major failure. If we actually sign 0 recruits this week it’s 100% on Kraft and he should follow Franklin out the door. All of that was knowable when the firing was made. I didn’t think Franklin needed to go.

 

[doctornick]

I just laugh that we are now going to start throwing the AD under the bus because a current Bear Bryant isn’t really interested in the PSU job. Why would a current successful Coach sign up for the visuals that the outside world just saw Franklin go through if they are getting paid where they are? Franklin couldn’t even walk off the field with out verbal assault. Obviously, it’s not about just how much money a Coach could make at PSU. If it was a new Coach would already be on board.

The AD is "getting thrown under the bus" because he has not been able to do the most basic tasks asked of an AD. He didn't have to hire a "home run" - but he needed to have someone signed and announced two days a go.

 

[Nitt1300]

Franklin had become toxic and an absolute laughing stock. No one respected him.

That might ring true, except that there were programs that were very eager to hire him.

 

[bdgan]

Why are you worried about that now?

Agree that it's a lower priority at this point but other schools are already locking up top players.

 

[PSUFTG]

we saved wheelbarrows of Franklins. How high is Krafts buyout?

Way more than PSU ICA has available.
Which was also true of the $9 Million they needlessly burned for (VT)HCJF, FWIW.

That said: Not being able to afford it doesn't mean they would choose to NOT do it on account of burning another pile of money (I don't think that would stop them). They won't do it, IMO, but for other reasons - not worth going into at this time.

 

[PSUForever]

In fairness to Bville:

Even the most negative folks towards (VT)HCJF would have to admit that (VT)HCJF built up a massively - MASSIVELY - larger body of success throughout his tenure to provide him with some spending capital, and buy him more time and leeway... than has ADPK.
Obviously.

Nope, gotta look at it fairly. Same length of time. BGJ got 12 so Krafty gets 12. What are the successes of BGJ?? Beating Washington in a meaningless Fiesta Bowl? Beating Boise State??, Utah, Wisconsin?

 

[NOYDB]

We also know that PSU is getting ready to see their whole playing roster and recruiting class evaporated with nothing to replace them as we enter the early signing period. Something that has never happened in Major College Football, let alone to one of the blue-blood P4 programs. Nothing to worry about there???? He's correct that no one knows who will be hired.... - the problem is that this includes Krafty The Clown.

STFU already.. stay home with your dad and cheer on VT

 

[Bvillebaron]

Hindsight is 50/50 but Kraft screwed up the timing for two reasons-

1 (less of an issue) the VT opening presented a landing spot too close to home and it predictably resulted in creating a new legitimate recruiting threat in our on our key geographies

2 (real issue) our opening gave potential candidates months to negotiate extensions at a time when they weren't in positions to sign a contract with us an the optics of not accepting an extension would have been incredibly poor PR. It absolutely shrunk the candidate pool.

How is Franklin a snake? School fired him, he owes Penn State nothing from that point forward. Your employer isn't your family, everyone should take care of themselves.

You mean he wasn’t obligated to tell them they still needed to go to Penn State after they fired. That SOB.

 

[bdgan]

We are the FIRST team in history to not have one person in a recruiting class. Let that sink in. And, if no one wants to sign in this class, it stands to reason that the majority of the current players will portal. As I said earlier, we won't have a full team of D1 talent next year, and they will be lucky to win 2 games. This won't be fixed in 3 years, if ever.

It will get fixed. We're in a good conference, new stadium, great facilities, and top 15 NIL & revenue sharing money. The problem is we'll be starting with a very small base of players.. It's going to take a few years.

We'll also win more than 2 games next year. Start with Marshall, Temple, and Buffalo.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

That might ring true, except that there were programs that were very eager to hire him.

No doubt, he's about to give VoTech their best recruiting class in their history and when you include what he signs via the X-Fer Portal, it's probably going to be their best roster since Beamer had them a fringe T10 program. Highly doubt they're having buyer's remorse regarding Franklin - quite the opposite, I'm guessing they find Krafty The Clown the gift that just keeps giving.

 

[EricLAllen]

Any current candidates appear to have these qualifications? And will they come to Pennn State?

Chesney appeared to have the qualifications and would have come to Penn State. Should have offered him and not kept on trying to get people who won't come here.

 

[bdgan]

Who’s laughing at the moment?

It would only be a revenge laugh. Franklin isn't making more money and he'll have less money and lower quality facilities to work with. Of course he's only competing against ACC opponents.

 

[Bvillebaron]

Why would a Franklin family member use your board name? Is that suppose to be something that hides your hidden agenda?
Go to the VT board and get over it.. BGJ was fired! He’s gone! Not coming back!

Maybe you should heed your own advice since you trashed Franklin in the context of a comment about how a delay in hiring a coach sooner rather than later makes recruiting more difficult for the new coach.

 

[PSUFTG]

Nope, gotta look at it fairly. Same length of time. BGJ got 12 so Krafty gets 12. What are the successes of BGJ?? Beating Washington in a meaningless Fiesta Bowl? Beating Boise State??, Utah, Wisconsin?

Peace. Out.

 

[Bvillebaron]

I think there is a snake in this story.

Well I do know a couple of posters who suffer from well documented Franklin Derangement Syndrome.

 

[PSUFTG]

It would only be a revenge laugh. Franklin isn't making more money and he'll have less money and lower quality facilities to work with. Of course he's only competing against ACC opponents.

Uh... he is making more money (between what PSU is sending him, and what VT is paying him). That is simple fact.
The rest? Who knows - subjective, of course.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

What we know from 135 pages:

Franklin was a bum who deserved to be fired;

No one here knows who will be hired;

That includes the Mushroom Man;

135 pages have been wasted on agonized speculation.

I left one off:

Waves can be generated in the bowl if enough pressure is exerted from above.

Equation:

BGJ/ x force/P = wave trough

 

[PAgeologist]

We know there's a contingent that will spin absolutely any hire into a home run.

And there will be those who still want Kraft fired along with the new coach before the ink is dry. Regardless of who it is.

 

[Meats Lab]

No doubt, he's about to give VoTech their best recruiting class in their history and when you include what he signs via the X-Fer Portal, it's probably going to be their best roster since Beamer had them a fringe T10 program. Highly doubt they're having buyer's remorse regarding Franklin - quite the opposite, I'm guessing they find Krafty The Clown the gift that just keeps giving.

 

[Psumatt85]

You mean he wasn’t obligated to tell them they still needed to go to Penn State after they fired. That SOB.

I believe Kraft should be doing that if he hasn’t hired a coach yet

 

[doctornick]

I believe Kraft should be doing that if he hasn’t hired a coach yet

Absolutely, that's a big part of the job of the AD's office once he fires the coach.

 

[Psumatt85]

It would only be a revenge laugh. Franklin isn't making more money and he'll have less money and lower quality facilities to work with. Of course he's only competing against ACC opponents.

If he wins 10 next year, and psu wins 3, I believe he is laughing

 

[LB99]

We know there's a contingent that will spin absolutely any hire into a home run.

There’s also the contingent that will complain about the hire no matter what.

 

[Wilbury]

Kraft is a failure because it is December 2 and we don't have a head coach. You absolutely should not be "negotiating" with anyone now. you are announcing the guy you signed last week.

So you just want to eliminate any coach in a conference championship game, any playoff contender or for that matter any of their assistants? Because that's what you just said.

 

[Bvillebaron]

I guess the thinking is the long term effects of a lame duck HC sticking it out until the end of the year is worse than trying to get a head start on a coaching search, but as we're seeing, Franklin is a particular case - note none of the other fired coaches have ended up anywhere. If Franklin sits out the hiring cycle, we're much better off. So, one one hand we have Franklin taking all of his guys (coaches, staff, recruits, likely current players) with him and on the other we have to hire someone to reenergize the program. Tough task. Kraft will probably be fired but I don't know how what else he could have done save hiring Urban Meyer (or someone else not actively employed that is a big swing).

I see your Pat Kraft apology tour continues non-stop.

 

[bdgan]

Uh... he is making more money (between what PSU is sending him, and what VT is paying him). That is simple fact.
The rest? Who knows - subjective, of course.

I think the PSU money is just for this year.

I'm as disturbed by what's happening as anybody but suggesting that PSU won't ever be able to compete at the top half of the BiG is silly. They have better facilities and more money to throw at the problem.

 

[Bvillebaron]

College football needs to adjust their timelines. Saban was talking about this the other day. Playoffs run into Jan now. Push signing day back to February and don’t open the portal until the spring.

Agreed but Kraft is charged with knowing the current rules.

 

[bdgan]

If he wins 10 next year, and psu wins 3, I believe he is laughing

Like I said it will be a revenge laugh. Do you really think VT will be a more prestigious job than PSU 3-5 years from now?

IMO the biggest thing he'll like is that he won't face as much pressure (which I think was really getting to him). Fans will be more understanding of 8-4 or 9-3 at VT.

 

[OUIrPSU]

And the forecast for Provo Wednesday is 30 degrees with snow.

Provo, Spain?

 

[Wilbury]

No doubt, he's about to give VoTech their best recruiting class in their history and when you include what he signs via the X-Fer Portal, it's probably going to be their best roster since Beamer had them a fringe T10 program. Highly doubt they're having buyer's remorse regarding Franklin - quite the opposite, I'm guessing they find Krafty The Clown the gift that just keeps giving.

Wait until he goes for it on 4th and 2 from his own 35.

 

[PSUFTG]

suggesting that PSU won't ever be able to compete at the top half of the BiG is silly.

In best "The Rick" lingo:
"Wut?? Bruh, who said that?"

 

[Wilbury]

No doubt, he's about to give VoTech their best recruiting class in their history and when you include what he signs via the X-Fer Portal, it's probably going to be their best roster since Beamer had them a fringe T10 program. Highly doubt they're having buyer's remorse regarding Franklin - quite the opposite, I'm guessing they find Krafty The Clown the gift that just keeps giving.

The problem is that they're still coached by Franklin.

 

[PSUcup]

Provo, Spain?

In fact you purchased the ticket for Ms Cavanaugh

 

[Nitt1300]

Like I said it will be a revenge laugh. Do you really think VT will be a more prestigious job than PSU 3-5 years from now?

IMO the biggest thing he'll like is that he won't face as much pressure (which I think was really getting to him). Fans will be more understanding of 8-4 or 9-3 at VT.

How are our fans going to be with 3-9 or 2-10?

 

[Bvillebaron]

Everybody: Man Kraft has been too quiet we need something leaked

First day something gets leaked everybody wants him signed within 2 hours or Kraft is a failure holy **** you people are nuts and some of you are so entitled you think Penn State deserves Kirby Smart or you’re not satisfied. There were no home run hires this cycle besides maybe Kiffin who has never won anything significant.

Some of these people that thought Franklin was great yeah that’s why LSU, Auburn, and Florida wanted nothing to do with him and he had to settle for Virginia Tech. Also not worried about Penn State losing these kids this was shaping up to be one of the worst classes in awhile for us. It was probably going to finish in between 20-25th ranked wise

Beats the hell our

I'm not surprised a "home run" wasn't signed - I never really thought that was in cards. but I'm shocked that we haven't announced anyone yet. I assumed we'd get a modest/uninspiring choice but they'd be in place on Nov 30.

It turned into a shitshow because it is December 2, signing day is tomorrow, and Penn State doesn't have a Head Coach.

Timing matters. You announce a new head coach the day after the season ends.

Oh come on surely 7 weeks is far too short of a time period to expect Kraft to hire a new coach.

 

[Midnighter]

I see your Pat Kraft apology tour continues non-stop.

Sure. Putting you on ignore for both our sake. Ciao.

 

[Binder74]

Provo, Spain?

Didn't know there is a Provo Spain

 

[Bvillebaron]

So are you giving Kraft 12 years like you gave BGJ and will you defend him incessantly like you did BGJ?

No way in hell the We Deserve Better folks would stand for that. By the way, Franklin won a Big Ten Championship in his 3rd year. That should be a piece of cake for the new coach don’t you think?

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Agreed but Kraft is charged with knowing the current rules.

You mean Krafty The Clown and his loudmouth defenders (they consider him a cult hero because he fired James Franklin) are the actual naive ones? You don't say, who'da thunk?

 

[Bvillebaron]

Franklin had become toxic and an absolute laughing stock. No one respected him. He had to go immediately. No way we are finishing 6-6 with BGJ. 3-9 was staring us in the face. We didn't lose anything by canning BGJ in October. Recruits would have all decommitted the second he was canned so at this point if we fired him Sunday we would be in the middle mass exodus.

What does that have to do with Kraft’s failure to hire a coach?