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Mongrel

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All of these screw ups are because he coached scared and had a lousy feel for the game. In the Oregon game, we had all the momentum with the Oregon defense reeling and should have gone for the jugular with our best two pt play to win it with 20 seconds left or whatever it was. Now, I understand with AK calling the shots that may not exist but grow a pair and go for it. He was too scared of the criticism he would get. The fact is the defense was gassed as they were on the field forever and were not going to hold up in OT. He should have had a good sense for that. Knowles should have known also. A game management thing that Franklin was chronically weak on. Yeah you could say Monday morning quarterback on this but Franklin's track record with these tough decisions that can make or break a game were always lousy.

Then with UCLA at the end of the first half it was a train wreck. Again playing scared versus a 20 pt underdog no less! What an imbecile. His excuse was he was trying to run down the clock to not give them any time yet he does not foresee the impending disaster scenario of missing on 4th down and giving them the ball at mid field and falling further behind. If you are so scared about giving the ball to UCLA which you shouldn't be then you punt on 4th down and pin them deep. Don't go for it. But what you really need to do is play aggressive and score when you score. Don't worry about the clock. What an a$$ hat he was.

Anybody who thinks he still should be the Penn State head football coach clearly does not have the best interests of Penn State in mind.
I don't think it was a matter of being scared. When you listen to BGJ speak about his game decisions or his coaching philosophies, he is relying on those things that have been historical truisms with a little bit spice in the form of modern analytics. His end of the game insistence that you need to run the ball has some truth to it. Prior to the 80s, almost all offenses at any level (high school, college, professional) started with the running game. Even if a team got stuffed on 3 straight plays, they would be punting to a team that ran a run-based offense, not to mention that kickers were not nearly as effective as they are today. Comebacks were much harder.

Through the 80s and 90s. passing attacks became more sophisticates with the multiple WR sets. In addition, the skill levels of the players improved thanks to summer camps and 7 on 7 passing leagues.

Ending the game by running the ball and eating up the clock has become difficult. If a team wants to run out the clock, they need first downs any way that they can get them. Against Iowa and Indiana, PSU was one first down away from winning the game. Each time the sequence was 1st down, run and get stuffed, 2nd down run and get stuffed. On 3rd and 8 or 9, a conservative pass that nets 3 or 4 yards with the end result being a punt to the other team or an unsuccessful play on 4th down. The conservative pass on 1st down off of play action has a much better chance of getting reasonable yardage on first down (5, 6, 7 or 8 yards) and keeps the defense on its heels. How many times have we seen the KC Chiefs under Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes opt to pass at the end of the game when the opponent is geared up to stop the run.

Regarding analytics, it is based on certain historical benchmarks. The use of analytics needs to be considered based on how your team has performed relative to those historical benchmarks. When down by 2 touchdowns, BGJ has multiple times gone for two with the resulting explanation stating that gives your its best chance to win the game. This is based on a historical success rate of somewhere around 44%. During BGFs tenure, how successful was PSU in converting 2-point conversions? My best recollection would be that it is not even close to 44%. The infamous 2019 Illinois game resulted in 7 2-point conversion attempts with PSU being successful on only 2. I really can't recall any meaningful successful 2-point conversion attempts, although there may be some. If your success rate is only 30%, assuming you score the two touchdowns, the outright win rate is 30%. The chance to send it to overtime is 21% (.3*70%). The outright loss chance is 49%. Assuming you win 50% of the time in overtime, using this strategy, the chance of winning is 40.5% and the probability of loss is 59.5%.

In short, winning more game in the clutch requires a revision in the thought process of late game management.
 
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Mongrel

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My point is no player is coming to PSU because Bob Chesney is from Shamokin. People overrate where a coach is from as if it’s an advantage. The conversation was about Chesney
This is true. However, Chesney has been coaching in the historical PSU recruiting area and is already acquainted with the 'local' football programs. The difference is when he goes to St. Joeseph or Central Catholic, he has been scouting a different prospect than the P4 programs. This would at least give Kraft an opportunity in due diligence to assess how the programs Chesney would be recruiting would view him as the head man and their comfort level in sending top prospects to PSU.
 

Connorpozlee

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64 pages and nothing but speculation. We need bonified data; you know, SCE reports, Flightaware routings, certified Tavern sitings.....something other than apposing opinions......where are our legitimate sleuths??
I must say, I’ve been very disappointed in the lack of flight tracking for this search. Very disappointed.
 

DaytonRickster

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Totally. I'm not disagreeing that he may not want the job. But everyone is saying he's "still in it" regardless of what he said a few weeks ago at his press conference. The money could be talking.
I guess we shall see. I have no idea what is transpiring. My choice is Bob Chesney.
 
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DaytonRickster

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Are a lot on this board in favor of Smith? I don't get how he is now a guy everyone would take as our next HC? He beat a bad MSU team that was challenging us into the 4th quarter and now he is a guy who can do much better than Franklin ( which is the goal)? Smith is a PSU guy and seems more no nonsense than James but then again probably 90% of the coaches are more no nonsense than BGJ. I don't want to bash Terry Smith. He has been loyal to PSU and has done decently but he can't be our next HC.
I don't see him as next HC but he would be a great asset for retention on the next staff.
 

djmccaslin

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I see you've cooled on Matt Rhule. Still no closer to making the playoffs even after expanding from 4 to 12 teams.

Much like Lea, I'm concerned that Key's success is largely attributed to the QB. Haynes King may not be NFL material but he's been a really good college QB. GT has improved, but was still 7-6 the last 2 years. Hard to say if this season is a new norm or an outlier.

My pref is Chesney. A little risky but seems worth the gamble. I'd be ok with Drink. Otherwise, let's look at some coordinators.
I'm curious--in what way is Chesney worth the gamble?
Tough to fire a guy that won 70 percent of his games and replace him with someone who has never even been a Power 4 assistant let alone head coach. He could turn out to be great but it’s a huge leap to go from
Salve Regina, Assumption, Holy Cross and JMU to one of the top 15 programs in the country.
The closest comp I think of with him would be Jim Tressel. But even he had 4 years as an asst at Syracuse and OSU before taking HC at Youngstown State where he won 4 national titles. But even in that comp, Tressel had an extended period of success at the I-AA level.
 
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PAgeologist

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Everybody keeps whining about each candidate saying it’s not an elite hiring and won’t get the fans excited. What college coaches are going to get everybody excited about? Kirby Smart/Nick Saban aren’t coming here. Look at all the big time names that have been fired Brian Kelly and Hugh Freeze. Also, people thought Billy Napier was a slam dunk hire because he was a elite recruiter.

I have no problem with Drink they don’t have a big time NIL budget and he does decent for the resources they have and an excellent recruiter in the Northeast when he’s from the South.

Everybody wants to **** on Brian Dabol and he’s basically had a gigantic pile of crap to work with over the years for the Giants. This is the first year they’ve had a decent team since he’s been there and injuries have been killing them. If anybody wants to bring up Daniel Jones he’s came back to earth the last 2-3 weeks. Everybody forgets Josh Allen was a huge project coming out of college and he learned under Dabol. He’s not my first choice but I highly doubt he would do worse than Franklin.

I have no issue with giving guys like Hartline and Chesney a chance. I wouldn’t mind Pat Fitzgerald as a defensive coordinator.
I dont recall Kirby being the slam dunk hire that he would be today if hired away from Georgia.

The key is to identify the next Kirby, the next Saban, hell even the next Cignetti. There will be a portion of the fan base who doesn't like whomever is picked, a portion that loves it, and a bunch in the middle.

Hopefully the big donors like it so money keeps pouring in and the coach gets the support needed to be successful.
 

PAgeologist

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I think Key makes 4.5m.

What if PSU is throwing 10m at him? Maybe GT can match that. But can they match that sort of raise for his entire staff? I highly doubt it. That's life changing money for everyone involved. His wife can use the private jet to get back to ATL any time she wants. That sort of raise is going to make him think long and hard about it.
Is Key willing to give a hometown discount to GT? Id think so given his strong ties to the school. GT may need to pony up some money to get him to stay (if he is even thinking of leaving), but i doubt they would need to match a PSU offer.
 

BobPSU92

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Rumors are coach has been secured. Announcement coming on Friday fwiw


 

Grant Green

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I'm curious--in what way is Chesney worth the gamble?

The closest comp I think of with him would be Jim Tressel. But even he had 4 years as an asst at Syracuse and OSU before taking HC at Youngstown State where he won 4 national titles. But even in that comp, Tressel had an extended period of success at the I-AA level.
He has improved each team that he coached, with the exception of JMU because they were already good. However, his JMU teams haven't missed a beat after losing a bunch of talent to Indiana. I don't care that he hasn't coached at P4 level. Good coaches work with the talent they have. He has gone from D3 to D2 to FCS to FBS and had success at each level. Doesn't mean it's a lock to be successful at P4, but based on this evidence, it's worth a risk.
He is also young, from PA, and his players have overall done well academically.
 

leinbacker

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Is Key willing to give a hometown discount to GT? Id think so given his strong ties to the school. GT may need to pony up some money to get him to stay (if he is even thinking of leaving), but i doubt they would need to match a PSU offer.

And Let's not forget, the ACC has added a new football coach to their league who will make it even harder for GaTech to be successful
 

Big_O

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I'm curious--in what way is Chesney worth the gamble?

The closest comp I think of with him would be Jim Tressel. But even he had 4 years as an asst at Syracuse and OSU before taking HC at Youngstown State where he won 4 national titles. But even in that comp, Tressel had an extended period of success at the I-AA level.
This reminds me of when I first joined the McAndrew Plotit board after the 1994 season. There was a discussion about whether JoePa should retire after the successful undefeated season and is so, who would replace him. My answer was - Jim Tressel.
 

Ludd

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I never said we are firing a coach every 3-4 years. You are twisting my words to fit your doomsday narrative. I believe you want PSU to fail which is reprehensible.

What I did say is we could get it wrong with the next hire and even the next one after that but still be fine. So to be technical if that happens then we can still get it right on the third hire and by year 9 or 10 win a NC. Of course based off your comment you are hoping we always get it wrong (that is your inherent assumption in your comment) so you can be a bitter old man constantly complaining and telling anyone who would listen (which would be no one) I told you we should have never fired BGJ.
This board has been filled with fans that cheered against Franklin since day one…I’m just playing their game. I always want PSU to be successful, I just don’t have unrealistic expectations.
 

Ludd

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I think the showboating etc are "culture" issues that Terry Smith could address in the off season, no doubt he's aware. Lets see how he finishes up this year. He is a Penn State guy, and I think that's what has been missing, its long since past time we put Penn State people in positions of authority! He could settle the recruiting issues and put us back on a level plane. The answer is hiding in plain sight.
When you find a team that doesn’t celebrate a big play, let me know.
 

Corner Room Breakfast

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He has improved each team that he coached, with the exception of JMU because they were already good. However, his JMU teams haven't missed a beat after losing a bunch of talent to Indiana. I don't care that he hasn't coached at P4 level. Good coaches work with the talent they have. He has gone from D3 to D2 to FCS to FBS and had success at each level. Doesn't mean it's a lock to be successful at P4, but based on this evidence, it's worth a risk.
He is also young, from PA, and his players have overall done well academically.

Totally agree with this, he can bring a chunk of his roster with him, and retain a majority of PS's roster. I
believe the on going search is super secret with a select few ultra donors, football alumni, and possibly
Terry Smith, and one or two guaranteed retained coaches.
 
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This board has been filled with fans that cheered against Franklin since day one…I’m just playing their game. I always want PSU to be successful, I just don’t have unrealistic expectations.
I backed Franklin for years on various boards under different screen names. I defended him repeatedly Unfortunately the big game losses over time defined and overwhelmed him and the program. He had 4 opportunities in the last year and a half (Oregon 2x, Ohio State and Notre Dame) to end the BGJ narrative. Unfortunately he couldn’t get over the hump. If he wins even one of those games he is still here. It was time! For both parties!
 

LB99

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The guy is obviously a good coach but the lack of Power 4 experience concerns me. It’s like going from the dirt track to the Daytona 500.
I was being sarcastic and having a little fun with Dayton. He’s been campaigning hard for Chesney for a week or more. Some in this group are going to refer to him as a Chesney fanboy soon.
 
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Itraindogs

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I don't see him as next HC but he would be a great asset for retention on the next staff.
I agree. He is an excellent recruiter and position coach. He is also fiercely loyal to the program and has deep ties to PSU lettermen going back decades. Only question is how he would respond to being passed over, even if he has never looked for coordinator or HC jobs. Larry, who has also never looked for a DC or HC gig, did leave after being passed over. Not saying these are the same or even similar, but people's psyches can be difficult to read.
 
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Ludd

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I don't see PSU winning a Natty anytime soon even if CJF had stayed. It was time for CJF to depart after the abysmal team play from the start of the season to the NW game. The timing of the firing is debatetable. If PSU can't bring in a Deboer, then I want to give Chesney a shot. I think he could get PSU back in the playoffs in year three. There will be a recovery period from what has transpired this year. I also would like Terry Smith to be retained in some capacity working closely with the football team.
Not interested in Hartline. Daboll, or Brady.
I love that people on here are saying it’s going to take the new coach a few years to get back to competing for playoff spots and many of them are the same ones that said it was easy for Franklin to win 10 games because the Big stinks. So which is it? Either the new coach has a ceiling of 10 wins every year or Franklin got fired for not reaching the expectations that he built.
 

PSU4U

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The guy is obviously a good coach but the lack of Power 4 experience concerns me. It’s like going from the dirt track to the Daytona 500.
That's most likely to be most people's concern with lower division coaches, mine too. But if I were to take a chance on someone like that it might be him.
 

Ludd

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I backed Franklin for years on various boards under different screen names. I defended him repeatedly Unfortunately the big game losses over time defined and overwhelmed him and the program. He had 4 opportunities in the last year and a half (Oregon 2x, Ohio State and Notre Dame) to end the BGJ narrative. Unfortunately he couldn’t get over the hump. If he wins even one of those games he is still here. It was time! For both parties!
We’ll see if it was time.
 

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This reminds me of when I first joined the McAndrew Plotit board after the 1994 season. There was a discussion about whether JoePa should retire after the successful undefeated season and is so, who would replace him. My answer was - Jim Tressel.
Whew. We dodged a real bullet there. The guy was a walking NCAA violation. Didn't he end up with a 6 year no-show clause?
 
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PSUForever

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I don't think it was a matter of being scared. When you listen to BGJ speak about his game decisions or his coaching philosophies, he is relying on those things that have been historical truisms with a little bit spice in the form of modern analytics. His end of the game insistence that you need to run the ball has some truth to it. Prior to the 80s, almost all offenses at any level (high school, college, professional) started with the running game. Even if a team got stuffed on 3 straight plays, they would be punting to a team that ran a run-based offense, not to mention that kickers were not nearly as effective as they are today. Comebacks were much harder.

Through the 80s and 90s. passing attacks became more sophisticates with the multiple WR sets. In addition, the skill levels of the players improved thanks to summer camps and 7 on 7 passing leagues.

Ending the game by running the ball and eating up the clock has become difficult. If a team wants to run out the clock, they need first downs any way that they can get them. Against Iowa and Indiana, PSU was one first down away from winning the game. Each time the sequence was 1st down, run and get stuffed, 2nd down run and get stuffed. On 3rd and 8 or 9, a conservative pass that nets 3 or 4 yards with the end result being a punt to the other team or an unsuccessful play on 4th down. The conservative pass on 1st down off of play action has a much better chance of getting reasonable yardage on first down (5, 6, 7 or 8 yards) and keeps the defense on its heels. How many times have we seen the KC Chiefs under Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes opt to pass at the end of the game when the opponent is geared up to stop the run.

Regarding analytics, it is based on certain historical benchmarks. The use of analytics needs to be considered based on how your team has performed relative to those historical benchmarks. When down by 2 touchdowns, BGJ has multiple times gone for two with the resulting explanation stating that gives your its best chance to win the game. This is based on a historical success rate of somewhere around 44%. During BGFs tenure, how successful was PSU in converting 2-point conversions? My best recollection would be that it is not even close to 44%. The infamous 2019 Illinois game resulted in 7 2-point conversion attempts with PSU being successful on only 2. I really can't recall any meaningful successful 2-point conversion attempts, although there may be some. If your success rate is only 30%, assuming you score the two touchdowns, the outright win rate is 30%. The chance to send it to overtime is 21% (.3*70%). The outright loss chance is 49%. Assuming you win 50% of the time in overtime, using this strategy, the chance of winning is 40.5% and the probability of loss is 59.5%.

In short, winning more game in the clutch requires a revision in the thought process of late game management.
In all honesty I did not read your whole message. When you have a coach who is afraid to give the ball back to a 20 pt underdog therefore makes a stupid decision to hurt the team then if not scared how about idiotic.