So No natty, but doing even slighty better vs OSU and Michigan makes next coach a homerun hire? All that is is a different shade of lipstick on the pig with the addition of a bit of blush or eye shadow.
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You need to stop thinking that way. Nobody is staying 46 years. Why would you want them to? Most likely nobody is staying 12 years. Many wanted to end the last tenure well before 12 years. How long do you want a new coach to stay?
He’s 7-1 in his career vs top 5 teams. Undefeated vs Smart, Lanning, and Sark. The guy can coach.
Drink has used the portal well at Missouri. He can do it again.
I want a coach that sees Penn State a destination job, not just a job to pad their resume. Franklin fit that bill and would be coaching at PSU more likely than not for another decade but unfortunately he didn't win the big games.
Many in this fan base won’t give him 2-3 seasons to turn it around. The Fire Franklin chants started at halftime of the 2016 Minny game. Ironically, that was the game that turned the whole program around.
Well, someone said here the other day that they hope they hire Diaz because he could probably win 10 games a year. No joke. It was said.
I don't think any P4 coach could bring a "two deep" with him in the portal. Cignetti was the exception because he came from a strong P5 program.
The best you can realistically expect is maybe 5 starters from the P4 program they leave.
There a few key 2026 recruits that have decommitted like OL Kevin Brown that need to be coaxed back to PSU.
Something happened inside the program between February of this year and October. Most of us don’t know what it was but there is more to the story than just the early season collapse. There was something off.
Yeah. I want a lot of things that aren’t realistic. The nature of the CFB world is that coaches don’t stay long term. Even if they say it it is their destination job, things change. If you want someone who isn’t ever going to leave, hire Jay.
yep- I think CJF knew that Kraft didn't have his back, and he wasn't alone in that knowledge. No, I have no inside info on it, just reading the tea leaves from having years of experience in business situations.
In a perfect world you don't let that impact your focus, but this isn't a perfect world, and few jobs require more focus.
Maybe Scott is hoping that if Terry is hired as HC he will hire Jay as the OC for the return of the Spread HD offense.
We’re supposed to be content with losing to every single good team in our league forever.
You keep saying DeBier has the best roster in the nation. That is not true. OSU has more talent. Georgia is as talented as Bama. Oregon & Texas A&M also might be on par with Bama talent wise. Texas has loads of talent but might be short on the coaching/development scale.
I think doing slightly better against those teams leads to more realistic title shots. They’re part and parcel.
Never beating them almost certainly eliminates title shots.
Exactly. These couch fantasy football coaches & GMs know-it-alls who say PSU should bring on a $12 million a year coach with zero expectations of improvement over the prior administration's success are showing how full-of-crap and ignorant of "reality" they are. Kraft is a true moron, and empty suit, if he doesn't realize what he has signed himself up for here in regards to the way he has handled this situation. He's made it clear that he is going to hire a coach that produces better results than Franklin (a pretty high bar given Franklin's results last year and over the last decade) - to do this, he is going to have to hire a coach that brings a team with him (the nucleus of a team - i.e., the 2-Deep]) because Kraft has completely nuked PSU's existing roster given the way he has handled this. If his new hire fails and produces results worse than Franklin and PSU is relegated to long-term (and quite possibly permanent) irrelevancy, Kraft should be canned - and he should be notified right now, in no uncertain terms, that he is canned if this thing does not work out well over the next 2 years.
I still remember the funniest line during the Paterno getting fired fiasco. There was a video of the front of the Paterno house and it was completely covered with fallen leaves. Somebody posted, “Somebody tell Scott to get out there and rake the damn lawn!!”
No. We should want a guy like Brohm who beats a top 5 team then lays an egg at home on back to back weeks against unranked teams. That would be fun.
But it does not guarantee. I mean if next coach doesn’t get us over the hump, it is still lipstick on the pig.
That's absolutely not true in this era of professional CFB coupled with absolute Free Agency. There's no reason a top coach can't bring lots of players if the players believe that the coach can take them to the promised land at his new home. There are very few programs where the players are more attached to the program than winning it all (or having a legit shot at winning it all). There are some, but not that many.
No, you're full of crap - when Saban announced his retirement (which was a surprise announcement) Alabama was as talented as anyone in the land.
There’s never guarantees in anything.
But we could have lost to those top teams in the league this year and if that’s it, Franklin is still here.
The problem with never ever beating the best is you have zero room for error ever against everyone else, the teams 4-18 in the league. You HAVE TO win all of them or why keep you around?
But wait a minute. I thought we weee going to hire a can’t fail guaranteed homerun hire to make us elite and get us over the hump?
Im obviously being a smart *** because some on here acted like that was the case and there is no way we can do worse than Franklin.
Wrong genius, never making the Playoffs eliminates title shots. Franklin made it to the National Semifinals (and within a play of the Final), so when the new $12 million man comes on board and delivers mediocrity for 3 years and zero playoffs, of course you're going to recommend patienc..... LMFAO at you know-it-all "fantasy coaches" who think it's so easy to be as incredibly successful as Franklin was..... Kraft should be put on notice immediately that his job is on the line regarding this next hire and how PSU does results-wise.
Yep. Goal posts already have been moved by some posters since the firing as it relates to what makes next coach successful and how long they get.
You seem to be assuming that a coach that doesn't bring transfers with him in 2026 is also somehow incapable of managing the portal and NIL in future seasons and will be a failure for many years. I don't make that assumption at all. Just because someone doesn't bring a roster with them now doesn't mean they can't successfully buy a roster from the portal next year, when they will have more time to do so. Whomever gets hired is going to have their backs against the wall for the 2026 recruiting and portal class as they likely will have very little time to build a class.
It sounds like you'd be happy with Deion Sanders, he raided his roster when going to Colorado but it turns out he's not a very good head coach. They got one decent season and an Alamo Bowl berth out of hiring him.
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How many playoff spots did Franklin earn over the years?
If it’s none until last year, what kept him from them until last year?
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Site me an example where this has happened (coach bringing a "two deep" from a P4 program)
lol. You have such a negative perspective on what the team looked like the last several years. I sure hope we don’t slide back to what is possible or you’ll be inconsolable.