The structure genius.... under the current structure, Franklin would have probably made 6 additional playoffs over the prior decade.
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The structure genius.... under the current structure, Franklin would have probably made 6 additional playoffs over the prior decade.
I agree about Kraft being put on notice but who has the guts: President, BOT? Perhaps the Big $ boosters could apply pressure to run Kraft off?
My problem with Kraft all is who are the quality coaches he has hired at any stops?
Perhaps the PSU baseball coach? Did he hire the PSU Women's Volleyball coach or was that a push from Russ Rose? She has been very successful, already won a Natty. This year rebuild but has a top flight class coming in for next season.
Any I'm missing someone?
It doesn’t really matter. Until the team lost to UCLA and NW this season, I didn’t think we needed to move on.
Even then, I think Kraft f’d up with his words. Now he has created a standard that pretty much removes much patience for next coach to meet some standard before firing next coach or Kraft looks like he lied.
I have no demands or expectations on us winning a Natty. Do I want to see one, hell yeah. Do I hope we win one, hell yeah. I wised up years ago and realized it is stupid to have expectations on coaches and athletes because at the end of the day they don’t really give a damn what we fans think. Sports is a lot more enjoyable without expectations and makes it much easier not to dwell on loses.
Fuzzy math again.You have to love that some think it’s perfectly acceptable to go 1-10 against the best team in the conference, 0-2 against probably the second best team in the conference when one game was at a neutral site and the other was at home, and make two conference championship games in eleven seasons. Also, when you basically have more talent than all but two or maybe three teams yearly, and usually considerable more talent, it doesn’t take Lombardi to win nine or ten games.
I’m not negative at all.
I think the program is one of the few that has the resources to win a national title, and one of only 4 in the “North” (stealing that from Urban) that can realistically expect to contend for titles on a year in year out basis.
That’s not negative, that’s really positive. I was there for 2000-03, I get how bad it can be. Yes, Joe more than wore out his welcome. He stayed too long by a while.
Even in its best years, it used to be that Penn State should realistically expect to be right there once every 4 seasons. I don’t think that’s unrealistic even today. Take it to 6, ok, times changed. Heck, make it 8.
Now how in the world can you contend even once every 50 years if you can’t beat the very profile of teams you’ll need to beat multiple times? It’s not in the cards, and I think trying something different for the chance to do better is worth it if you absolutely 100% believe you can’t get there in the present status.
It’s not negativity, 7-5 a few years and then try someone else would stink, then move on again, nothing lost. We’re not just killing it year in, year out as is. We’re having stinkers in there too.
Better record than CJF- let's say .800 winning percentage
Make the 12 team playoff every year
Win it all once in ten years
Third string qb for Osu most of game.
no marvin Harrison jr. 14-3. Huge asterisk. Shouldn’t be a huge plus on anyone’s resume imho
As long as the next coach doesn't get an ice cream flavor at the creamery, we're not saddled with his eventual inability to meet expectations
That’s fair. It’s basically what I’d dream for too.
But I don’t think James could do any of those 3 things.
A starting linebacker and d back for Osu out also. 14-3 win. That’s fools gold.
He was .712, would have made 5 of ten playoffs and no Natty so I think the new guy fails if he doesn't do at least that much better - maybe cut the playoff requirement to 8 out of 10
So, Kiffin doesn’t get any credit for beating a second and third string PSU in the bowl game either, right?
who hasn't considered that? That happens everytime a coach leaves or is fired during the NIL era.
Actually 6 (2016, 2017, 2019, 2022, 2023 and 2024) - and there was no postseason in 2020, so that would have been 6 of 8 through last year and 6 of 9 including this year. Laughable that some on here act like there's so many coaches that did better - there's only a handful of coaches that did better over the span in terms of national relevance and two of them are retired now!
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What did you expect? We fired Franklin. There's like 5-6 guys with better records in the last 10 years and none of them are leaving. There aren't any slam dunks.
No it doesn't because most of the situations you're talking about were firings of unsuccessful coaches and prior to the advent of the NIL professionalization of CFB. In this situation, Kraft has fired one of the 5 most successful active coaches who is likely going to land at another D1A program and potentially take many of his players with him (aside from the players other coaches poach). This situation is not remotely analogous to anything you referenced.
BTW, PSU was #12 in the final 2018 CFP Rankings that determine CFP Playoff and bowls, so Franklin would have made 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2022, 2023 and 2024 under the current structure. Again, no postseason in aborted 2020 COVID Season, so thats 7 of the last 8 postseasons and 7 of 9 if we include this year.
I think it’s possible to believe he largely did a very good job prior to this season and think he deserved to lose his job for his performance this season. Not only do I think it’s possible, it’s what I believe.
I agree, it won't be Terry Smith unless Kraft strikes out on about 12 guys first.
I like Terry and definetly think he should be retained but beating MSU should not be a reason we all feel he is our answer.
Do you honestly think Kraft cares?
Again, fair.
We rarely discus the extenuating factor of going above his AD for a raise and extension too (if you believe Landon Tengwell).
That’s not why I wanted a new coach, but I can understand why the AD would find it created an irreconcilable relationship.
We could have just purchased a Wahmbulance for you to hop into and cry that you weren't content whenever you were feeling cranky while the rest of us continued to enjoy one of the most successful programs in the nation.
Scott needs to re-focus his efforts on repealing the keg ban in the parking lots. It's the only thing he's ever done that made sense.
And yet he still deserved to be fired. No sarcasm here. It had to be done.
Franklin finished in the Top 12 of the Final CFP Rankings 7 times - 2016 (#5), 2017 (#9), 2018 (#12), 2019 (#10), 2022 (#11), 2023 (#10) and 2024 (#4). There was no postseason in the 2020 shortened and aborted COVID season. So Franklin was Top 12 in 7 of the last 8 CFP Final Playoff Rankings (7 of 9 if you want to count this year) - there are only a handful of programs/coaches that did better over the span, but some of you loonies believe there is a long list of coaches that did better which is utterly laughable.
Kraft has utterly destabilized the program and created a situation where one of the most objectively successful coaches in the nation, especially in terms of the current National Championship Playoff standard, is going to be landing at another D1A Program and likely taking a large portion of PSU's roster with him (and whatever 3-Deep talent doesn't take will likely be poached by other programs). This situation that Kraft has created is quite unprecedented - he has largely created his biggest problem by putting one of the 6 most successful coaches in the CFP Rankings Model on the open market with PSU's roster as a sweetener for whoever hires him. Utterly insane what Kraft has done.
Yeah the fact that he is undefeated versus Smart is impressive. Basically Smart loses to no one except Bama.
Loonies?
He didn’t do his job this year. It’s as simple as that to me. I’ve already acknowledged that I wouldn’t have fired him even with his futility against good teams. But this year was a spectacular disaster.
For me, unless Kraft pulls a rabbit out of the hat with someone stellar but way off radar, any hire that isn’t DeBoer is not worth firing Franklin for IMO.
That’s fair. The end result though may not be any better and it may be far worse. So, was it worth it? Only time will tell. I hope it was the right move.
I like Terry Smith, but if he gets the job it's a failure on Kraft's end.
The players are playing hard for him this year, but does that carry over to next season?
The following season....
Year 3 when we are 0-6 or 3-3....
I just think the guys that are laying it on the line for him this year and carrying him off the field are just happy for him after a disasterous season. They read social media, they hear what people say about them and the program.
It's like when the team manager gets to play on Senior Night and scores a basket for the varsity team. The.school and team feel good for him, but are not letting that kid start at point guard in the State playoffs. We all feel good for Terry, but it's not what we want to lead the program in 2026.
If he was able to keep a lot of the recruits that have since decommitted, I'd like the idea of HC TS more than I do right now. If Kevin Brown or any of the higher ranked recruits had stayed committed and said "I love PSU and what Coach Smith brings to the program" then I'd say he has control of the program going forward.
The players are playing hard for him this year, but does that carry over to next season?
The following season....
Year 3 when we are 0-6 or 3-3....
I just think the guys that are laying it on the line for him this year and carrying him off the field are just happy for him after a disasterous season. They read social media, they hear what people say about them and the program.
It's like when the team manager gets to play on Senior Night and scores a basket for the varsity team. The.school and team feel good for him, but are not letting that kid start at point guard in the State playoffs. We all feel good for Terry, but it's not what we want to lead the program in 2026.
If he was able to keep a lot of the recruits that have since decommitted, I'd like the idea of HC TS more than I do right now. If Kevin Brown or any of the higher ranked recruits had stayed committed and said "I love PSU and what Coach Smith brings to the program" then I'd say he has control of the program going forward.
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Far worse than this year?
Again, this move was made because he completely crapped the bed this year. He was done. Like you, I hope it works out for Penn State, but I didn’t really see much of a choice.
In the real world, there certainly was a post season after the 2020 season.
Just like in the real world, PSU made the playoffs once during Franklin’s tenure.