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[PSUForever]

Is Drink an upgrade to Franklin?

It's really feeling dire right now as far as the search is concerned - Kraft talked a huge game in his presser after Franklin's firing, and it doesn't seem like this job is all that attractive to anyone of note. Coming into this search, Drink was like the 5-6 option. What's his signature win at Mizzou? What's his highest finish in the SEC?

This is really starting to feel like end of the Kraft era as well.

You gotta have faith. Did we all think we were getting Cig or Elko? Part of the issue is all these pro Franklin clowns on this board will lead you to believe Franklin was really good for PSU. Just summon up your memory of how you felt after the '17 Rose Bowl, the OSU games of '17, '18, 19, '22, '23, '24. The Michigan games of '21 through '23. The ND game of '24. The Minny game in '19, the Sparty games of '17 and '18. The guy was a veritable train wreck frittering away winnable games.

What is not being said is if we hire Drinkwitz and he doesn't work out then he gets fired and we hire a new coach. It is not like the program is guaranteed to fail forever. Look at A&M?? Sumlin to Jimbo and maybe another one in there but they got it right now.

Penn State football will be fine and I stand by my prediction that we win a NC within 10 years.

 

[PSUAVLNC]

Real Old PS fan here, 95% of you will not appreciate my thoughts here....sorry. If Terry Smith wins out and takes PS to a bowl.and can settle the recruiting situation, I'd be for offering him a two or three year deal and see how it goes. He's Penn State through and through, he has passion for our program.

By the way. JF checked out long before he was fired. He is the worst game day coach in FBS.

Give Terry a shot!! There's no magic coach out there, PS could do way worse.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

I’d think of it less of what is perceived as an upgrade more that a change is needed. We weren’t going past the next step with JF. 12 years, it ran its course, who is to say Drink or another candidate isn’t better. After all, Franklin came from Vandy and wasn’t a considered a home run tier coach. Whoever the next guy is should be given his shot. It was time, whether it works out or not with the next guy. A risk needed to be taken.

Not sure I agree that it had to be handled the way it has been handled (especially the timing, the new coach has no shot at saving any of PSU's roster now - you wait until immediately after last reg-season game, have your ducks in a row, then move quickly on the rehire after the firing. Puts new-guy in a much better position to build his 2026 roster between what he would bring with him, what he can salvage from PSU's roster, what he can salvage from PSU's 2026 class and the NIL Portal.). Having said that, once you make the decision to change regimes, it really isn't about what these clowns are saying - you need to hire a coach that has proven he can win after having to build or rebuild a team himself in today's fluid environment - today's environment is nothing like the environment of even 5 years ago, let alone 10 or 20 years ago, radically different environment than just a couple years ago which was only just starting to metastasize after the radical changes which have caused the professionalization of CFB, most especially pay-for-play and unlimited, absolute Free Agency. Kraft has really put his foot in it with the way he has handled this change in regime in this utterly new and still morphing environment. He has done maximum damage to PSU and PSU's roster, while at the same time screwing himself in regards to making a home-run hire (all he has done, by doing this mid-season, is give all these programs the opportunity to keep their coaches away from PSU as none of them can come to terms quickly with PSU while their in the midst of coaching during the season especially if their existing team is going to give them the same "market" pay raise and offer that PSU is. Krafty the Clown has evaported PSU's 2026 roster and literally put it in the wind (especially with Franklin's rehire long before PSU will name a new coach) with very few "proven" options on the new hire - and the list is getting shorter by the day as coach after coach signs pay-raise extensions keeping them where they are at.

At this point, PSU has to hire not only a proven winner, but somebody that has proven they can rebuild a roster essentially from scratch immediately (i.e., bring players with them, bring their former team 2026 recruits with them, use the NIL X-Fer portal, attempt to salvage what they can at PSU, etc....). All this stuff about relative comparisons is nonsense - these idiots act like you can hire whoever you want and can just blithely ignore the HARSH REALITIES of the current situation that Krafty Clownboy has put us in. Drink should be the #1 target at this point - Mizzou is likely to narrowly miss the Playoff. He had tremendous success at Mizzou. He has translated that success to a mediocre-to-bad Mizzou team (he went 11-2 two years ago with a bowl win over duhO$U, 10-3 last year with a bowl win over Iowa and doing well this year).

 

[Chumboshifko1]

Not sure I agree that it had to be handled the way it has been handled (especially the timing, the new coach has no shot at saving any of PSU's roster now - you wait until immediately after last reg-season game, have your ducks in a row, then move quickly on the rehire after the firing. Puts new-guy in a much better position to build his 2026 roster between what he would bring with him, what he can salvage from PSU's roster, what he can salvage from PSU's 2026 class and the NIL Portal.). Having said that, once you make the decision to change regimes, it really isn't about what these clowns are saying - you need to hire a coach that has proven he can win after having to build or rebuild a team himself in today's fluid environment - today's environment is nothing like the environment of even 5 years ago, let alone 10 or 20 years ago, radically different environment than just a couple years ago which was only just starting to metastasize after the radical changes which have caused the professionalization of CFB, most especially pay-for-play and unlimited, absolute Free Agency. Kraft has really put his foot in it with the way he has handled this change in regime in this utterly new and still morphing environment. He has done maximum damage to PSU and PSU's roster, while at the same time screwing himself in regards to making a home-run hire (all he has done, by doing this mid-season, is give all these programs the opportunity to keep their coaches away from PSU as none of them can come to terms quickly with PSU while their in the midst of coaching during the season especially if their existing team is going to give them the same "market" pay raise and offer that PSU is. Krafty the Clown has evaported PSU's 2026 roster and literally put it in the wind (especially with Franklin's rehire long before PSU will name a new coach) with very few "proven" options on the new hire - and the list is getting shorter by the day as coach after coach signs pay-raise extensions keeping them where they are at.

At this point, PSU has to hire not only a proven winner, but somebody that has proven they can rebuild a roster essentially from scratch immediately (i.e., bring players with them, bring their former team 2026 recruits with them, use the NIL X-Fer portal, attempt to salvage what they can at PSU, etc....). All this stuff about relative comparisons is nonsense - these idiots act like you can hire whoever you want and can just blithely ignore the HARSH REALITIES of the current situation that Krafty Clownboy has put us in. Drink should be the #1 target at this point - Mizzou is likely to narrowly miss the Playoff. He had tremendous success at Mizzou. He has translated that success to a mediocre-to-bad Mizzou team (he went 11-2 two years ago with a bowl win over duhO$U, 10-3 last year with a bowl win over Iowa and doing well this year).

 

[Wilbury]

Huh? Maybe we just want someone other than Campbell.

Remove Campbell and insert any other coaches name that's been mentioned and the statement remains the same. someone on this board is against them.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

There is an awful lot of buzz the last couple days that Bob Chesney is being pursued hard by both PSU and UCLA, but nobody knows which it will be because Chesney will not give either school an answer until after his current season ends (JMU is in line to finish12-1 with a Sunbelt Championship and potentially be the G5 Playoff Rep - their only loss is to a ranked Louisville team).

Chesney is from Central Pennsylvania (near Shamokin - Kulpmont, PA) and graduated from Dickenson, whose Law School is part of PSU. Apparently UCLA wants him badly, but they cannot get him to give them an answer - UCLA strongly believes he (this is probably all taking place via his agent - not Chesney directly) has also spoken to PSU... that there's potential interest in both programs but he will not provide an answer or engage in serious negotiations until his season is complete.

 

[BobPSU92]

Kraft should hire Pry.

 

[JoeBot409]

Urban Meyer

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Kraft should hire Pry.

Krafty The Clown - like a little child drunk with power enamored with shooting his big cannon, but has no plan, or idea of, how to win the war after he shots it. He was to focused on his ego-driven bs "I'm going to show that Franklin whose got the power"...... Meanwhile, his cannon is obliterating PSU's program and locking prospective replacements into their current positions long-term at higher salaries (i.e., prohibitive poison pills to buy out) more than anything else. Certainly not putting Krafty The Clown and PSU in a better position to bring on their preferred replacement.

 

[DaytonRickster]

There is an awful lot of buzz the last couple days that Bob Chesney is being pursued hard by both PSU and UCLA, but nobody knows which it will be because Chesney will not give either school an answer until after his current season ends (JMU is in line is finish12-1 with a Sunbelt Championship and potentially be the G5 Playoff Rep - their only loss is to a ranked Louisville team).

Chesney is from Central Pennsylvania (near Shamokin - Kulpmont, PA) and graduated from Dickenson, whose Law School is part of PSU. Apparently UCLA wants him badly, but they cannot get him to give them an answer - UCLA strongly believes he (this is probably all taking place via his agent - not Chesney directly) has also spoken to PSU... that there's potential interest in both programs but he will not provide an answer or engage in serious negotiations until his season is complete.

Chesney has been my choice with Terry Smith as his GM or a position very close to the team.

 

[SRURock24]

There is an awful lot of buzz the last couple days that Bob Chesney is being pursued hard by both PSU and UCLA, but nobody knows which it will be because Chesney will not give either school an answer until after his current season ends (JMU is in line is finish12-1 with a Sunbelt Championship and potentially be the G5 Playoff Rep - their only loss is to a ranked Louisville team).

Chesney is from Central Pennsylvania (near Shamokin - Kulpmont, PA) and graduated from Dickenson, whose Law School is part of PSU. Apparently UCLA wants him badly, but they cannot get him to give them an answer - UCLA strongly believes he (this is probably all taking place via his agent - not Chesney directly) has also spoken to PSU... that there's potential interest in both programs but he will not provide an answer or engage in serious negotiations until his season is complete.

Not to doubt your post but UCLA is a basketball school that has never 100 percent embraced their football program. They are USC’s little brother in football and over the last 20 plus years or so Oregon and Washington’s as well. Chip Kelly fled because of the competitive issues there. Terry Donahue was the best long term coach they had may he RIP and he was there years ago. Unless they do a total about face that is a tough place to win consistently.

 

[Grant Green]

Remove Campbell and insert any other coaches name that's been mentioned and the statement remains the same. someone on this board is against them.

You were expecting unified opinion on a given coach? Have you met people before?

 

[Catch1lion]

Remove Campbell and insert any other coaches name that's been mentioned and the statement remains the same. someone on this board is against them.

We are fair . Largely , we hate them all equally .

 

[Catch1lion]

Urban Meyer


View attachment 1010381 Urban- I think it moved

 

[Zone-Blitz]

In the year 2025, it does not matter where a coach is from. Recruits do not care. It’s about money, NIL. Where a coach grew up has no bearing whatsoever on anything

 

[PSU4U]

Different eras but it felt like the Joe Moorhead teams were more explosive.

Moorehead got out of town just when the Big 10 was getting ready to kick his ***. It didn't take defensive coaches to figure out his schtick. He faded fast at this level everywhere he went. Color me not a fan of Moorehead.

In the year 2025, it does not matter where a coach is from. Recruits do not care. It’s about money, NIL. Where a coach grew up has no bearing whatsoever on anything

True to a great degree but said coach has to have territorial HS relationships to be able to recruit their base successfully. Like it or not PS is not now, nor have they ever been much (consistent) of a national recruiting school and they don't have to be.

 

[PSU4U]

Urban Meyer for 10 million per year for as long as he wants to stay.. Hire Hartline as the OC and the next head coach in waiting.

winners win

Kraft is down to two coaches. I'll list three just in case, Deboer Drink and Key. Seems Chesney is trying to land the UCLA job.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Not to doubt your post but UCLA is a basketball school that has never 100 percent embraced their football program. They are USC’s little brother in football and over the last 20 plus years or so Oregon and Washington’s as well. Chip Kelly fled because of the competitive issues there. Terry Donahue was the best long term coach they had may he RIP and he was there years ago. Unless they do a total about face that is a tough place to win consistently.

That's actually not true, UCLA was a very powerful program prior to 2000 when Terry Donahue retired. Prior to Donahue, Dick Vermeil was the coach in the early 70s. They were a very strong National Profile program throughout the 60s and 50s - they had a CFB HOF Coach from 1949-1957 who won a MNC in 1954, Red Sanders. Since 2000, UCLA has gone through 10 Head Coaches (that's an average tenure of on 2.5 years) - and this list includes many big names.... Bob Toledo, Rick Neuheisel, Jim Mora...... contrary to your claim, UCLA has a fantastic Football history, but has been mired in a Coaching Carousel spiral since Terry Donahue left - the ironic part of your post is that PSU potentially sits on the precipice of this event happening at PSU and Krafty The Clown has given the new coach, whomever it may be, the worst probability of succeeding with the way he has handled this situation.

From 1950 through Donahue's tenure in mid 1990s, UCLA is tied in mid-teens with FSU, UFla, Miami, UGa and Washington for most wins over the span. Really absurd to claim that UCLA has a weak football tradition - real absurd.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

In the year 2025, it does not matter where a coach is from. Recruits do not care. It’s about money, NIL. Where a coach grew up has no bearing whatsoever on anything

Nobody said that recruits care where a prospective coach is from, but you're really naive if you think the coaches regional experience and history don't matter in terms of his ability to recruit, rebuild a roster, etc... or if it has any impact on how the candidate views the opportunity (i.e., wether they view it as another stop on their coaching Journey, a dream destination job, etc.....).

 

[WVilleLion23]

Kraft is down to two coaches. I'll list three just in case, Daboer Drink and Key. Seems Cheney is trying to land the UCLA job.

I would think Bama would not try very hard to keep him.

 

[donaldfair71]

I would think Bama would not try very hard to keep him.

Yep, nailed it.

Especially with Kiffin sniffing around. Alabama supposedly his dream job.

 

[PSUalum2007]

Hire Chesney

 

[PSU4U]

I would think Bama would not try very hard to keep him.

I used to work and live in Dothan AI for a while, I know the state of Alabama and the culture of Bama Football very well. It is a very hard and unforgiving culture especially if you're not a Good Ole Boy. That is a fan base that holds the feet of that Board to the fire. If they don't get what they want the money quickly dries up.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Kraft is down to two coaches. I'll list three just in case, Daboer Drink and Key. Seems Cheney is trying to land the UCLA job.

Simply not true:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...-james-madison-bob-chesney-coaching-carousel/

....most of the information on this topic is eminating from Neuheisel, who works at CBS, played football at UCLA and coached at UCLA among other schools prior to his broadcasting career. He is absolutely very much a UCLA insider (his son is the current OC at UCLA) and he is saying the diametric opposite of what you're saying. He says that the Chesney camp (again, probably via his agent and not Chesney directly) has expressed interest in both programs, but is not going to further any discussions or interest until after JMU's season is complete as it would act as a distraction which is not fair to his current employer and players. But Neuheisel says that UCLA is getting the vibe that they're his 2nd choice behind PSU.

 

[SRURock24]

That's actually not true, UCLA was a very powerful program prior to 2000 when Terry Donahue retired. Prior to Donahue, Dick Vermeil was the coach in the early 70s. They were a very strong National Profile program throughout the 60s and 50s - they had a CFB HOF Coach from 1949-1957 who won a MNC in 1954, Red Sanders. Since 2000, UCLA has gone through 10 Head Coaches (that's an average tenure of on 2.5 years) - and this list includes many big names.... Bob Toledo, Rick Neuheisel, Jim Mora...... contrary to your claim, UCLA has a fantastic Football history, but has been mired in a Coaching Carousel spiral since Terry Donahue left - the ironic part of your post is that PSU potentially sits on the precipice of this event happening at PSU and Krafty The Clown has given the new coach, whomever it may be, the worst probability of succeeding with the way he has handled this situation.

From 1950 through Donahue's tenure in mid 1990s, UCLA is tied in mid-teens with FSU, UFla, Miami, UGa and Washington for most wins over the span. Really absurd to claim that UCLA has a weak football tradition - real absurd.

Over the last 30 years UCLA has won 53 percent of there games and has had 6 different head coaches excluding interims. Even at there best in the modern era in the 70’s and 80’s they were second fiddle to John McKay and John Robinson
at USC. They are not a football school.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Real Old PS fan here, 95% of you will not appreciate my thoughts here....sorry. If Terry Smith wins out and takes PS to a bowl.and can settle the recruiting situation, I'd be for offering him a two or three year deal and see how it goes. He's Penn State through and through, he has passion for our program.

By the way. JF checked out long before he was fired. He is the worst game day coach in FBS.

Give Terry a shot!! There's no magic coach out there, PS could do way worse.

Agreed on Franklin checking out. Pretty bad.
In the past I would say a 2-3 year deal is not possible but now that kids are free agents every year, I’m not sure that would really hurt recruiting.

 

[BobPSU92]

Agreed on Franklin checking out. Pretty bad.
In the past I would say a 2-3 year deal is not possible but now that kids are free agents every year, I’m not sure that would really hurt recruiting.

About Franklin “checking out”, it will be interesting to see if any PSU players and/or assistant coaches follow him to vo tech. Do they feel that Franklin let them down or do they feel that they let him down? Do they feel like Franklin got screwed by PSU?

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Over the last 30 years UCLA has won 53 percent of there games and has had 6 different head coaches excluding interims. Even at there best in the modern era in the 70’s and 80’s they were second fiddle to John McKay and John Robinson
at USC. They are not a football school.

Laughable, they have not been able to find a head coach since Terry Donahue - zero stability. They were 2nd Fiddle to USC in PAC10 (originally the Pacific Coast Conference), but most were. Southern Cal was one of the most dominant programs in the country recording National Championships in 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1978 (and 2003 & 2004).

PSU has played 2nd fiddle to duhO$U and MeCheatAgain, but that doesn't mean that PSU doesn't have a great football tradition or isn't a "football school". There's a difference between hiring big name coach after big name coach after a HoF 22-Year Coach (Terry Donahue was inducted into the CFB HoF immediately after ending his coaching career - inducted in 2000) but big name coach after big name coach failing (UCLA has been on a coaching carousel since Terry Donahue) and having no historic football tradition. UCLA has a very strong football tradition through Coach Terry Donahue - extremely strong - but they have been unable to find a long-term answer at HC since the end of Donahue's 22 year career. It's ironic that you're babbling like this when PSU is on the precipice of facing an identical situation except that 10 years from now they might be calling PSU "a wrestling school" rather than a "basketball school" (they most certainly won't be calling PSU that).

 

[BCS PSU]

About Franklin “checking out”, it will be interesting to see if any PSU players and/or assistant coaches follow him to vo tech. Do they feel that Franklin let them down or do they feel that they let him down? Do they feel like Franklin got screwed by PSU?

I don't know how many players VT loses after this season, but if they're a young team and he doesn't run off a bunch of them, then they're may not be many spots.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

About Franklin “checking out”, it will be interesting to see if any PSU players and/or assistant coaches follow him to vo tech. Do they feel that Franklin let them down or do they feel that they let him down? Do they feel like Franklin got screwed by PSU?

Well, Rojas is one player that has already answered that question - he reposted Franklin's ESPN Gameday Comments on X along with a message that said Franklin didn't deserve the treatment he got. I don't think you will ever see Rojas in a PSU uniform again and wouldn't be surprised if he's on the field for VaTech next year.

 

[MrTailgate]

Kraft should hire Pry.

Pry Pry off the couch.

 

[SRURock24]

Laughable, they have not been able to find a head coach since Terry Donahue - zero stability. They were 2nd Fiddle to USC in PAC10 (originally the Pacific Coast Conference), but most were. Southern Cal was one of the most dominant programs in the country recording National Championships in 1962, 1967, 1972, 1974, 1978 (and 2003 & 2004).

PSU has played 2nd fiddle to duhO$U and MeCheatAgain, but that doesn't mean that PSU doesn't have a great football tradition or isn't a "football school". There's a difference between hiring big name coach after big name coach after a HoF 22-Year Coach (Terry Donahue was inducted into the CFB HoF immediately after ending his coaching career - inducted in 2000) but big name coach after big name coach failing (UCLA has been on a coaching carousel since Terry Donahue) and having no historic football tradition. UCLA has a very strong football tradition through Coach Terry Donahue - extremely strong - but they have been unable to find a long-term answer at HC since the end of Donahue's 22 year career. It's ironic that you're babbling like this when PSU is on the precipice of facing an identical situation except that 10 years from now they might be calling PSU "a wrestling school" rather than a "basketball school" (they most certainly won't be calling PSU that).

You make the point for me. They haven’t even been able to replace Terry Donahue who was a solid coach but not exceptional. Kelly left because they weren’t putting enough resources in the program. The fact that there possible top candidate has never been a power 4 assistant let alone head coach is telling along with the fact the previous guy had never been a head coach.

 

[BCS PSU]

Well, Rojas is one player that has already answered that question - he reposted Franklin's ESPN Gameday Comments on X along with a message that said Franklin didn't deserve the treatment he got. I don't think you will ever see Rojas in a PSU uniform again and wouldn't be surprised if he's on the field for VaTech next year.

Oh well, I don't know if he'll even be ready to play at the start of next season anyway.

 

[Midnighter]

About Franklin “checking out”, it will be interesting to see if any PSU players and/or assistant coaches follow him to vo tech. Do they feel that Franklin let them down or do they feel that they let him down? Do they feel like Franklin got screwed by PSU?

Here's an interesting factoid:

Number of de-commits per school after the HC was fired

LSU - 1
Florida - 0
PSU - 17

This says Franklin's players really, really like him for better or worse.

As to 'best jobs available', LSU has slipped a bit because of the governor's public comments there. It's desirable, but there are probably more *strings* attached there than other places. Florida is fine - likely where Kiffin will end up. But, they have a meddling governing board too. Penn State is a premier job in a premier conference; we should be fine.

 

[RolexKong]

There is an awful lot of buzz the last couple days that Bob Chesney is being pursued hard by both PSU and UCLA, but nobody knows which it will be because Chesney will not give either school an answer until after his current season ends (JMU is in line to finish12-1 with a Sunbelt Championship and potentially be the G5 Playoff Rep - their only loss is to a ranked Louisville team).

Chesney is from Central Pennsylvania (near Shamokin - Kulpmont, PA) and graduated from Dickenson, whose Law School is part of PSU. Apparently UCLA wants him badly, but they cannot get him to give them an answer - UCLA strongly believes he (this is probably all taking place via his agent - not Chesney directly) has also spoken to PSU... that there's potential interest in both programs but he will not provide an answer or engage in serious negotiations until his season is complete.

It's "Dickinson" as in Bruce and Dickinson Law hadn't been associated with Dickinson College since the early part of the 20th Century.

 

[BobPSU92]

Here's an interesting factoid:

Number of de-commits per school after the HC was fired

LSU - 1
Florida - 0
PSU - 17

This says Franklin's players really, really like him for better or worse.

As to 'best jobs available', LSU has slipped a bit because of the governor's public comments there. It's desirable, but there are probably more *strings* attached there than other places. Florida is fine - likely where Kiffin will end up. But, they have a meddling governing board too. Penn State is a premier job in a premier conference; we should be fine.

Folks here like to bash Franklin, but he is a player’s coach. Relationships. By comparison, napier and kelly are sh|theads.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Here's an interesting factoid:

Number of de-commits per school after the HC was fired

LSU - 1
Florida - 0
PSU - 17

This says Franklin's players really, really like him for better or worse.

As to 'best jobs available', LSU has slipped a bit because of the governor's public comments there. It's desirable, but there are probably more *strings* attached there than other places. Florida is fine - likely where Kiffin will end up. But, they have a meddling governing board too. Penn State is a premier job in a premier conference; we should be fine.

The private jet flight that 'Ole Miss was having a ****-fit about landed in Baton Rouge, not Gainesville.

 

[PAgeologist]

Real Old PS fan here, 95% of you will not appreciate my thoughts here....sorry. If Terry Smith wins out and takes PS to a bowl.and can settle the recruiting situation, I'd be for offering him a two or three year deal and see how it goes. He's Penn State through and through, he has passion for our program.

By the way. JF checked out long before he was fired. He is the worst game day coach in FBS.

Give Terry a shot!! There's no magic coach out there, PS could do way worse.

No doubt Terry took over at the worst possible time. Losing Allar, then having next 3 games of Iowa, OSU and Indiana. He definitely has the team playing hard.

However, he hasn't made AK and JK knock off their stupidity that keeps losing games. And players are still showboating and getting dumb penalties. That concerns me. Would his attitude towards these issues change if not the interim coach?

It wouldnt be the worst thing for the program. And it would provide some stability till a long term replacement is hired. But you arent likely getting quality coaches knowing its likely a short term gig.

 

[WaffleShopper]

You gotta have faith. Did we all think we were getting Cig or Elko? Part of the issue is all these pro Franklin clowns on this board will lead you to believe Franklin was really good for PSU. Just summon up your memory of how you felt after the '17 Rose Bowl, the OSU games of '17, '18, 19, '22, '23, '24. The Michigan games of '21 through '23. The ND game of '24. The Minny game in '19, the Sparty games of '17 and '18. The guy was a veritable train wreck frittering away winnable games.

What is not being said is if we hire Drinkwitz and he doesn't work out then he gets fired and we hire a new coach. It is not like the program is guaranteed to fail forever. Look at A&M?? Sumlin to Jimbo and maybe another one in there but they got it right now.

Penn State football will be fine and I stand by my prediction that we win a NC within 10 years.

Also, the people criticizing Terry Smith for some of his coaching mistakes should also think back to how horrible Franklin was with his timeouts and time management his first couple years at Penn State. It took Franklin a few years to figure it out so maybe we can give Smith some slack after only a couple games.

 

[donaldfair71]

No doubt Terry took over at the worst possible time. Losing Allar, then having next 3 games of Iowa, OSU and Indiana. He definitely has the team playing hard.

However, he hasn't made AK and JK knock off their stupidity that keeps losing games. And players are still showboating and getting dumb penalties. That concerns me. Would his attitude towards these issues change if not the interim coach?

It wouldnt be the worst thing for the program. And it would provide some stability till a long term replacement is hired. But you arent likely getting quality coaches knowing its likely a short term gig.

What has Jim Knowles done wrong since the Iowa game?

Either way, yeah, you can't hire Terry Smith to be the Head Coach. You wouldn't get quality coaches, you're right, and you wouldn't get players to commit to what's likely a short term gig, either.