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So I also think we have to keep in mind how low that had gotten.

He’s no doubt got them playing better. But that’s from about the lowest baseline I think I could ever imagine.
Plus, he’s going to be a different coach. He gets to be the cleaner upper of the problem from that low baseline with zero pressure. Gets to be the Truth Teller with zero pressure and no one can really transfer or anything.
He can’t be the same as the full time guy. The baseline expectation is massively higher, and he’ll need to ease egos to keep everyone happy. He’ll have to hire assistants that he’ll need to give a ton of freedom to as the full time guy.
It’s not the same job at all.
I agree for the most part. He also has to get credit for bringing the team back after a lot of the players quit. And for also recognizing how to fix our offense when all the other highly paid coaches couldn’t do it.

I’m hoping for someone other than Smith but I do get the sense that some of the hate people have for him is because it only took him 2 games and a week and a half of practice to start looking like a better head coach than Franklin.
 

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So I also think we have to keep in mind how low that had gotten.

He’s no doubt got them playing better. But that’s from about the lowest baseline I think I could ever imagine.
Plus, he’s going to be a different coach. He gets to be the cleaner upper of the problem from that low baseline with zero pressure. Gets to be the Truth Teller with zero pressure and no one can really transfer or anything.
He can’t be the same as the full time guy. The baseline expectation is massively higher, and he’ll need to ease egos to keep everyone happy. He’ll have to hire assistants that he’ll need to give a ton of freedom to as the full time guy.
It’s not the same job at all.
It would be a different story had Smith gone 6-0 or 5-1. 3-3 isn’t going to bolster the resume enough to interest Kraft.
 

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My problem with his Smith is the huge number or decommits that happened under his watch. To me it is a major red flag.
I guess Franklin and those coaches and admins going with him suggesting commits decommit and even players leave before he was even fired had nothing to do with that.
 

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I guess Franklin and those coaches and admins going with him suggesting commits decommit and even players leave before he was even fired had nothing to do with that.
When the Japanese successfully attacked Pearl Harbor they removed the Admiral.
 
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leinbacker

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My problem with his Smith is the huge number or decommits that happened under his watch. To me it is a major red flag.

what kind of leverage do you think Smith has to keep commits? Nobody knows who is coming in as the coach and there is no guarantee he will be here when the season is over.
 
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I guess Franklin and those coaches and admins going with him suggesting commits decommit and even players leave before he was even fired had nothing to do with that.
Either way, it takes away the one edge Terry could have had over just about any other candidate and it becomes a huge liability.
 

SRURock24

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what kind of leverage do you think Smith has to keep commits? Nobody knows who is coming in as the coach and there is no guarantee he will be here when the season is over.
We got absolutely gutted compared to the other power 4 big boys who are changing coaches. That is a red flag and happened under his watch any way you look at it. No doubt we should have lost some but it was leaking worse than the Titanic.
 

leinbacker

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I saw an Alabama assistent just took the HC job at Oregon State. I guess the Bama coaches are fleeing
 
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I’m talking about the American Admiral. Kimmel was sacked shortly thereafter.
Understood. Your "they" came after "Japanese" so it was unclear to me. I actually had to go look it up. I knew Yamamoto was killed by the US, but Nagumo was sacked after Midway. Kimmel was a scapegoat.

But, I'm having trouble understanding the analogy. You're saying that Smith will not be retained ("fired") because of Franklin poaching recruits, or a "Pearl Harbor" scenario?
 
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SRURock24

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Understood. Your "they" came after "Japanese" so it was unclear to me. I actually had to go look it up. I knew Yamamoto was killed by the US, but Nagumo was sacked after Midway. Kimmel was a scapegoat.

But, I'm having trouble understanding the analogy. You're saying that Smith will not be retained ("fired") because of Franklin poaching recruits, or a "Pearl Harbor" scenario?
Mahon, Frank etal snuck in under his nose
 
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If I have to choose between Smith and Engram I am sorry but I am choosing Engram. Maybe HE is the mystery guy
 

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No one wishes to coach at Penn State. No one wishes to work for Kraft. This place is a dumpster fire. You can thank the geniuses that reside on the BOT.
Really? There are a lot of qualified coaches lining up to be offered/take the job. All this panic for no reason. When we bring in the new HC (possibly next week) things will stabilize and depending what program he comes from, he'll bring a lot of his players and recruits with him. If he doesn't, no problem, we are in the age of NIL and the portal. We'll be just fine.
 

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We got absolutely gutted compared to the other power 4 big boys who are changing coaches. That is a red flag and happened under his watch any way you look at it. No doubt we should have lost some but it was leaking worse than the Titanic.
The primary issue is that those in the NIL department told all of the recruits that they weren’t guaranteed the amount they were told anymore. That scared almost all of them off and then combine that with Franklin relaying that same exact message you can understand why all of them left. I mean, if somebody told you that you were going to get 200 K and then immediately says wow I don’t know if that offer still stands based on the new coaches then you start to look around.
 

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Really? There are a lot of qualified coaches lining up to be offered/take the job. All this panic for no reason. When we bring in the new HC (possibly next week) things will stabilize and depending what program he comes from, he'll bring a lot of his players and recruits with him. If he doesn't, no problem, we are in the age of NIL and the portal. We'll be just fine.
We are waiting. Kraft doesn't strike me as that brilliant. He failed at handling Franklin.
 

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Really? There are a lot of qualified coaches lining up to be offered/take the job. All this panic for no reason. When we bring in the new HC (possibly next week) things will stabilize and depending what program he comes from, he'll bring a lot of his players and recruits with him. If he doesn't, no problem, we are in the age of NIL and the portal. We'll be just fine.
maybe it will be fine in a few years, and maybe not
 

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I am having a hard time believing that Deboer will only become our coach if he loses that game. I would have to imagine the next coach has already signed an MOU. Lots flying around today on our search and other searches. Now there are rumblings Brohm is getting interviewed in the 11th hour, which is ridiculous.
 

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I am having a hard time believing that Deboer will only become our coach if he loses that game. I would have to imagine the next coach has already signed an MOU. Lots flying around today on our search and other searches. Now there are rumblings Brohm is getting interviewed in the 11th hour, which is ridiculous.
I can’t wait til it ends. Multiple people think k it is Sark. Another just posted that it’s Dabo. Then the Brohm thing pops up
 
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SRURock24

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The primary issue is that those in the NIL department told all of the recruits that they weren’t guaranteed the amount they were told anymore. That scared almost all of them off and then combine that with Franklin relaying that same exact message you can understand why all of them left. I mean, if somebody told you that you were going to get 200 K and then immediately says wow I don’t know if that offer still stands based on the new coaches then you start to look around.
He could have easily said Penn State is a wealthy university with substantial NIL resources and a committed AD You are a high level recruit. No matter who comes as long as your offer isn’t pulled which is highly unlikely, you are going to get paid. Maybe even more.
 

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I can’t wait til it ends. Multiple people think k it is Sark. Another just posted that it’s Dabo. Then the Brohm thing pops up
Either Krafty is running a highly confidential, competent search and the candidate has signed an MOU weeks ago and we’re just waiting for the regular season to conclude, or Krafty is a nitwit and doesn’t know what he’s doing striking out on the field. A lot of names are coming up, and I just wonder if this is being instigated by his people to keep it all confidential until next week to protect the hire. I saw Dabo as well, Sitake and now Brohm are newer ones also. To be honest, all of this leads me to believe it’s definitively not Terry or Chesney. They both could’ve been hired and announced this week already to attempt to bring stability.
 

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Either Krafty is running a highly confidential, competent search and the candidate has signed an MOU weeks ago and we’re just waiting for the regular season to conclude, or Krafty is a nitwit and doesn’t know what he’s doing striking out on the field. A lot of names are coming up, and I just wonder if this is being instigated by his people to keep it all confidential until next week to protect the hire. I saw Dabo as well, Sitake and now Brohm are newer ones also. To be honest, all of this leads me to believe it’s definitively not Terry or Chesney. They both could’ve been hired and announced this week already to attempt to bring stability.
I think Chesney could have asked to wait to see how their conference ends up. Would JMU make conference champ game, etc.

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