New heights of insanity.

[ignazio]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...banning-trans-student-from-girls-locker-room/

1. The student is a male who believes he is/thinks he is/identifies as a female.
2. The school (and presumably the IHSA) allows him to compete on a girls team.
3. The student insists that he be given full access to all female changing and showering areas.
4. Obama's Department of Education has threatened the school district with loss of federal funds if they do not comply with their directives to give this male full access to the girls' locker rooms.

So, segregated sports teams are sacrosanct. We could never suggest that there be only 1 basketball team or 1 softball team -- for both male and female (need I add tran-this and tran that?).

Enjoy your football. It's only a matter of time until they start imposing directives on your sport.

 

[Snetsrak61]

SHE is a female and deserves the right to be treated the same as other female athletes.

“The truth is most students wouldn’t have a problem with this at all,” Jake Lytle, the Fremd High School senior who started the petition, told the Daily Herald.

Brian Harris, the superintendent of nearby District 220, agreed.

“Quite frankly, kids are really tolerant. Kids are amazing,” he told the Daily Herald. “This is not a kid issue. This is an adult issue.”

 

[crusader_of_90]

My daughters know this person during his gender transition from junior high through present.

Let's just say that Mr. Lytle cannot prove that with data or anything other than anecdotal (wishful) evidence because the feeling among the ******-equipped people at the school is that penises are not welcome in their locker rooms or bathrooms.

 

[crusader_of_90]

And I know Mr. Harris ... Barrington can have unisex whatever. But in Palatine, we want what's proper.

 

[oldfan123]

Eboma can rot in the underworld

 

[sundevil1988]

Antioch had a female play line on this years team. See attached article

http://football.dailyherald.com/article/20151023/news/151029491/

 

[MC63]

Any excuse to take a cheap shot at the President.

C'mon.

 

[crusader_of_90]

It's his DOJ that's pushing this initiative, MC63. Schools are local bodies of government and should have some autonomy from the political wishes of the federal executive branch.

 

[Goomlah]

GBE had a girl on its team as well.

 

[crusader_of_90]

GBE had a girl on its team as well.

Bet she showers elsewhere and not with the boys.

 

[SweetWalter34]

It's his DOJ that's pushing this initiative, MC63. Schools are local bodies of government and should have some autonomy from the political wishes of the federal executive branch.

"Unity has never meant uniformity." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Just 50 years since Dr. King offered the above warning, the American left has come unhinged from common sense. Dr. King is rolling over in his grave. Where are such leaders today?

 

[Snetsrak61]

Why are we talking about girls playing a coed sports in a thread about girls playing girl sports?

 

[MTC Diaspora]

Yet another reason to shut down the worthless DOE, a Carter-era creation that has utterly failed. Actually, it is worse than worthless; it is destructive, as in this matter.

Crusader is right; let the School Boards in Barrington and Palatine and everywhere else make these decisions, and suffer the consequences for bad decisions. Keep the Feds out!

 

[Snetsrak61]

Let the Feds out! By ensuring we keep the federal education money!

 

[Sportsmom901]

not sure where i stand yet, would someone please explain, i understand he identifies as a girl but why wouldn't he want to shower & dress in the boys locker room when they have similar biology?

 

[Snetsrak61]

not sure where i stand yet, would someone please explain, i understand he identifies as a girl but why wouldn't he want to shower & dress in the boys locker room when they have similar biology?

You seem unfamiliar with the transgender community in general. So first I'd tell you that she should be referred to using the correct pronouns.

To answer your question. She isn't a boy. Whatever feelings that you might associate that a typical cisgender (a person who's gender matches their biology) would feel by being in the locker room of the opposite sex, she feels by being in a lockeroom with males.

The lockeroom issue seems to hit a nerve with some people but anything improper a transgender person could do in that setting with be equally as improper from a cisgender person.

 

[Sportsmom901]

[QUOTE="Snetsrak61,

To answer your question. She isn't a boy. Whatever feelings that you might associate that a typical cisgender (a person who's gender matches their biology) would feel by being in the locker room of the opposite sex, she feels by being in a lockeroom with males.



Thanks for the correction with the pronouns, but do you think the the girls in the school feel the same discomfort when they are in the locker room with her, or how many of them might feel him... maybe i am wrong but do we often have transgender female wanting to shower and change in the boys locker room.... that never seems to be a problem........

 

[Sportsmom901]

I understand both sides of this argument, a boys locker room could be cruel for a transgender male or female, but 13,14,and 15 year old girls and their parents concerns should be acknowledged when placing her in the girls locker room cause no matter how she identifies once nude she will be exposing young girls to male biology, and that's a hard sell for most adults, so how do we ask teen girls to not notice and be comfortable with changing in front of what they visually identify as male nudity

 

[goodnamesaregone]

Yet another reason to shut down the worthless DOE, a Carter-era creation that has utterly failed. Actually, it is worse than worthless; it is destructive, as in this matter.

Crusader is right; let the School Boards in Barrington and Palatine and everywhere else make these decisions, and suffer the consequences for bad decisions. Keep the Feds out!

Let the Feds out! By ensuring we keep the federal education money!

I think I agree with Snet. The local school boards cannot have it both ways. They can choose not to comply with the Feds, but they will lose the funding. If they want to feed at the Federal trough, though, they have to comply with Uncle Sam's rules, no matter how irrational. And here the "mandate" (pun intended) is irrational.

As I understand it, the school has proposed that the transgender student would be allowed to change in the girls locker room, but in an area that is separated from the other girls (because those other girls feel uncomfortable sharing a locker room with the transgender student). If the concern is that the transgender student is uncomfortable being with boys, then this solution should be satisfactory.

Yet the Feds are not happy. And instead, they want to elevate their perception of what the transgender student wants over the interests of all others involved (the other girls in the locker room). It smacks of a political ploy being carried out to appease a particular segment of the voting public, if you ask me.

 

[mc140]

Looking forward to the day a trangendered wins an IHSA title in girls swimming or track and field.

 

[crusader_of_90]

Comply with the FEDS?????? This is a local issue. And because the executive branch has a pet project, locals must bend? Screw that!!!!

To hang fed funds over local districts heads to push this agenda is strong arming.

But they picked the wrong district to play this game.

 

[Snetsrak61]

Why should the federal govt fund an entity they find to be discriminatory? This isn't an "agenda".

Sorry, but claiming an issue to be local doesn't negate the federal governments obligation to ensure non-discrimination of its citizens by the government (local included). As far as I can tell the federal govt is limiting their control to an appropriate level at this time. They are just using their allocation of federal funds. There's no federal mandate being struck down requiring the school board to comply with any practice. The ACLU-led suit will be handled locally and the fed will only step in the situation it is appealed to higher courts.

 

[jdhitters]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...banning-trans-student-from-girls-locker-room/

1. The student is a male who believes he is/thinks he is/identifies as a female.
2. The school (and presumably the IHSA) allows him to compete on a girls team.
3. The student insists that he be given full access to all female changing and showering areas.
4. Obama's Department of Education has threatened the school district with loss of federal funds if they do not comply with their directives to give this male full access to the girls' locker rooms.

So, segregated sports teams are sacrosanct. We could never suggest that there be only 1 basketball team or 1 softball team -- for both male and female (need I add tran-this and tran that?).

Enjoy your football. It's only a matter of time until they start imposing directives on your sport.

THANKS for opening this $hitstorm. The best part of this thread is it may take over the MC GW thread.

 

[Snetsrak61]

[QUOTE="Snetsrak61,

To answer your question. She isn't a boy. Whatever feelings that you might associate that a typical cisgender (a person who's gender matches their biology) would feel by being in the locker room of the opposite sex, she feels by being in a lockeroom with males.



Thanks for the correction with the pronouns, but do you think the the girls in the school feel the same discomfort when they are in the locker room with her, or how many of them might feel him... maybe i am wrong but do we often have transgender female wanting to shower and change in the boys locker room.... that never seems to be a problem........

I'm not sure if there is anything really common or typical that we can draw in just because transgendered people do make up a pretty small minority.

What I do believe however is that most arguments against transgender bathroom/lockerroom use imply or outright state some type of nefarious sexual act that the transgendered person may commit when the statistics say transgendered people are actually the ones at a disproportionate risk of being victim to assault, including sexual assault.

 

[crusader_of_90]

So a mandatory class that REQUIRES undressing in front of individuals who have opposite-sex genetalia does not seem to be over-stepping bounds of fed influence?

 

[Snetsrak61]

I understand both sides of this argument, a boys locker room could be cruel for a transgender male or female, but 13,14,and 15 year old girls and their parents concerns should be acknowledged when placing her in the girls locker room cause no matter how she identifies once nude she will be exposing young girls to male biology, and that's a hard sell for most adults, so how do we ask teen girls to not notice and be comfortable with changing in front of what they visually identify as male nudity

I won't try to downplay that the transgendered situation could be difficult for people to get used to. I've not had to experience it myself that I know of, though I'm not actively looking at what's in people's legs either, so I probably have shared a restroom.

What I do find kind if odd, though, speaking as someone on the older end of the millennial spectrum and having worked with kids in a summer camp setting- kids are a lot more shy in general about nudity than say 20-30 years ago, even with their "like-parted" peers. And most transgendered people really have issues with their own body parts so are really not likely to be outward with it in a way that it should cause a lot of added uncomfortableness.

 

[Snetsrak61]

So a mandatory class that REQUIRES undressing in front of individuals who have opposite-sex genetalia does not seem to be over-stepping bounds of fed influence?

I don't believe the federal PE requirements cover the undressing topic and most locker rooms are set up to allow anyone personal privacy for any reason.

 

[crusader_of_90]

This young lady is listed as female in all district documents, her name is the not-yet-legally-changed feminine preference. She has private quarters to change.

but since she cannot strip down and show a penis to my minor daughters and my minor daughters are obligated to strip nude in front of a a person with male genetalia, and D211 opposes this, we should lose federal funding?

And the standards you hold dear chosen by one sect of America without vote - you are stretching to apply your liberal agenda, Ma'am.

 

[Snetsrak61]

Well I can't respond seriously to you if won't use the correct pronounce towards me.

 

[crusader_of_90]

But gender does not matter to you.

 

[crusader_of_90]

And how would I know if you have a penis or ******?

 

[crusader_of_90]

If we were in the same locker room naked, I would know.

See what I mean???

 

[Snetsrak61]

Gender does matter to me- matters to most people. You couldn't have known, so I just thought I'd correct you in case you falsely assumed I was a female (and not that you were making light of the use of gender pronouns)

 

[Snetsrak61]

If we were in the same locker room naked, I would know.

See what I mean???

That's not what gender is.

 

[crusader_of_90]

I was - you're acting like a little girl.

 

[crusader_of_90]

Miriam Webster defines gender as:
: the state of being male or female

so, so are making things up to fit an agenda.

 

[Snetsrak61]

I thought so, but figured I would give you the benefit of the doubt. Enjoy your attempt at humor and/or insults and I'll stick to discussing the actual issue.

 

[Snetsrak61]

Well dictionaries are sometimes annoyingly vague like that but the medical community would overwhelming tell you that your sexual organs do not define your gender.​

 

[crusader_of_90]

The issue is that the Obama administration will lose this court battle.

It's overreaching and it will be shot down. As will ban the box - it all liberal crap.

 

[crusader_of_90]

And I'll be in the middle of both!