This board is a cancerTeam cancer is a bit harsh
This board is a cancerTeam cancer is a bit harsh
The board is doing exactly what it should be doing, discussing the state of the program and the issues it's facing, because we care about the program.This board is a cancer
Totally agree.Oweh at 50% is better than Aberdeen. DA cant beat anyone off the dribble, but he sure tries a lot. He canβt shoot, but he sure lets em fly and he canβt defend, or rebound the way Oweh can.
Oweh did everything he could on Saturday, scored 22 points and was one of our better defenders. Aberdeen at his best isnβt on Oweh's mediocre level.
Fans acceptance of mediocrity are the cancer.The board is doing exactly what it should be doing, discussing the state of the program and the issues it's facing, because we care about the program.
We're 9-5 man.
I like this one as well, which means Pope will only utilize that lineup for less than 2 minutes1 Lowe
2 Aberdeen
3 Oweh
4 Kam
5 JQ
till they ask to sub out
Or I would pull them the first selfish play they had.
Yeah, you can easily spot the guys in here that werenβt fans until somewhat recently.Fans acceptance of mediocrity are the cancer.
Oweh and Lowe were the only players who gave a damn at Bama, Oweh got called out for his lack of energy at the end of November, played well December. Far from perfect, there are still critiques but without Oweh we don't even get invited to the CBI. He has his problems but he far from our biggest problemNot at all. His attitude and approach has clearly caused issues. His lack of effort has been inexcusable. That all spreads to others like a cancer spreads.
Because we are a direct reflection of the coach and his $22 million Ferrari thatβs currently wrapped around a telephone poleThis board is a cancer
Someone just called into KSR saying "bench Oweh and watch what happens". Even Matt knows that's dumb.Oweh and Lowe were the only players who gave a damn at Bama, Oweh got called out for his lack of energy at the end of November, played well December. Far from perfect, there are still critiques but without Oweh we don't even get invited to the CBI. He has his problems but he far from our biggest problem
Aww, yes. The ole KSR crew and Matt Jones, who have proven time and again to know nothing about basketball.Someone just called into KSR saying "bench Oweh and watch what happens". Even Matt knows that's dumb.
I bet it was the Anony Moose that called in.
It's depressing to know there are 2 actual UK fans that think benching our best playmaker is the smart thing to do.Aww, yes. The ole KSR crew and Matt Jones, who have proven time and again to know nothing about basketball.
You got me!
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It's even more depressing our fanbases intellectual knowledge of the game has devolved to the point some believe Oweh is our best playmaker.It's depressing to know there are 2 actual UK fans that think benching our best playmaker is the smart thing to do.
Oweh doesnβt play 40 minutes per game, there is plenty of proof from each game that proves that theory wrong.
pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6
For Chandler and Johnson β prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.
For Jelavic and Noah β I canβt play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.
(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
Williams hasnβt been great, but he at least gives you length and rebounding. You misunderstood the Jelavic and Noah β it says give me more THAN shot attempts.Kam has shown nothing (outside of 1 game vs a cupcake) worth playing 30mpg. I've honestly seen more from Noah (good passes, deflections, steals, making open shots, rebounding), and I don't want him playing double-digit minutes. So any minutes Kam gets right now is purely off potential.
Jelavic "give you more shot attempts"? What!!! Jelavic is like a black hole when he gets the ball, he trails only Lowe, Oweh, & Jasper in attempts per minute.
The reason I want to see more of Jasper is because he can create his own shot, and if/when Lowe goes down, he may be our best option for a PG, but only if he develops more before then.
Chandler we clearly need more from him. He could be a lesser version of Brea. He's a better defender than Brea was. He's earned more time than Kam.
I am not a Zone guy, I much prefer Man. But maybe we need to put JQ at the rim to protect it and go with a Zone.
Thatβs been my starting lineup since the St. Johnβs game although I do think Aberdeen and oweh are interchangeable in the starting lineup. Both can give you strong defensive play and both bring a different dynamic on offense but both can also force the action too much. Lowe has to play as much as possible to run our offense, JQ the same for defense and rebounding. Those 6 players have to play the lions share of minutes with Moreno, Garrison, chandler and Johnson spelling as needed but 3 of the first 6 have to be on the floor at all times.LOL, replace Oweh with Aberdeen?
Oweh isnβt the problem, he's at least close to doing his job. Aberdeen is a backup at best. Single handedly lost us the unc game and consistently tries to take games over, only to do nothing but give the opponent fast break points.
Let's wait until the coaching issues get fixed before we get too crazy here. If you think we're confused by what Pope is trying to do, how confused do you think the players are? They look pretty dang confused to me.
If I had to formulate a starting lineup based on what we have seen, I would set it up exactly the same way the OP spelled it out. I think it's obvious.
Man, I think youβre spot on with this. One thing I might would switch around would be the minutes for Mo and Kam. Or, just bump Mo up to 30 as well. I feel like weβre better with him on the floor.pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6
For Chandler and Johnson β prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.
For Jelavic and Noah β I canβt play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.
(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
Absolutely insane.My controversial lineup:
Lowe
JJ
Kam
Mo
JQ
Oweh can't shoot so poor choice imo at the 2G spot. Maybe start at the 3 but I'd prefer a shooter there as well. Make JJ a spot up shooter. Perimeter D would be an issue though. No one wants to make OO a 6th man but by KY standards that's truly what he is.
He also leads in shot attempts per game. Those tend to go hand in hand. Yet, 10 players on the roster have a better Efg%. That should tell you other players are more efficient/better scorers and shooters.Oweh currently LEADS team scoring 14.7 points a game.
ExactlyHe also leads in shot attempts per game. Those tend to go hand in hand. Yet, 10 players on the roster have a better Efg%. That should tell you other players are more efficient/better scorers and shooters.
Also, Oweh averages the highest amount of turnovers per game of anyone. And he has among the highest foul rate of all players.
If you take Oweh off the court, you're likely replacing him with a more efficient shooter/scorer, someone who turns it over less and fouls less. While likely doing everything else at a similar or better rate.
Yet, some of you Bennies thank that's a bad thing.
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I totally agree . Moreno should get twenty minutes spelling JQ and Mo . All starters should log 30 minutes barring foul trouble or injury . In the unlikely event we are up twenty with under ten to go I would take out Lowe . Otherwise he has to play his 30.pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6
For Chandler and Johnson β prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.
For Jelavic and Noah β I canβt play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.
(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
Does anybody here know the plus minus stat for each player ? Would be helpful.Best I can give you is Chandler, Oweh, Aberdeen, Noah, and Garrison. Sorry.
I think Oweh is much stronger, thicker and can score through traffic better than DA. Every time DA tries to bully his way to the basket, it typically ends with the other team getting a run out.Thatβs been my starting lineup since the St. Johnβs game although I do think Aberdeen and oweh are interchangeable in the starting lineup. Both can give you strong defensive play and both bring a different dynamic on offense but both can also force the action too much. Lowe has to play as much as possible to run our offense, JQ the same for defense and rebounding. Those 6 players have to play the lions share of minutes with Moreno, Garrison, chandler and Johnson spelling as needed but 3 of the first 6 have to be on the floor at all times.
You're thinking JJ over OO?Absolutely insane.
Where are you getting these stats?He also leads in shot attempts per game. Those tend to go hand in hand. Yet, 10 players on the roster have a better Efg%. That should tell you other players are more efficient/better scorers and shooters.
Also, Oweh averages the highest amount of turnovers per game of anyone. And he has among the highest foul rate of all players.
If you take Oweh off the court, you're likely replacing him with a more efficient shooter/scorer, someone who turns it over less and fouls less. While likely doing everything else at a similar or better rate.
Yet, some of you Bennies thank that's a bad thing.
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They invented something recently called the internet. If you search UK basketball stats, there are several sources you can gather them from. I like sports reference.Where are you getting these stats?
His handles are terrible for a guard. He can't create off the dribble. His only weapon is catch n shoot or attacking with 2-3 dribbles. Add to this his putrid perimeter defense and he shouldn't see the floor.Chandler is a role player or 4th/5th option as a starter. Unfortunately, for a 2nd year in a row, he is being tasked with playing a role he isn't capable of at this level.
Let him play a 2/3 that isn't meant to create for others, and don't make him a focal point, and he would look completely different.
THAT is who should be the starting line up .pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6
For Chandler and Johnson β prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.
For Jelavic and Noah β I canβt play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.
(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
Iβm assuming he suffers from βanalysis paralysisβ. Itβs an actual phenomenon that overly analytical people experience. It can cause them to appear βstupidβ to others because of being overstimulated by too many options being made available.THAT is who should be the starting line up .
THAT is the lineup that dominated St Johnβs in the second half.
THAT is the lineup that was on the floor together for a total of ONE minute against Alabama.
Here are Mark Popes comments about THAT lineup.
ββIt depends which numbers you use. We have such a plethora of numbers,β Pope said. βBut, listen, that is β that is not a bad lineup at all. Thereβs potential that weβll see that lineup a little bit more, for sure.β
I believe Mark Pope is looking at TOO MANY numbers.
That's the only thing that makes sense from what he said. You can know every stat in the world but you can't give them all equal weight.ββIt depends which numbers you use. We have such a plethora of numbers,β Pope said. βBut, listen, that is β that is not a bad lineup at all. Thereβs potential that weβll see that lineup a little bit more, for sure.β
I believe Mark Pope is looking at TOO MANY numbers.
The internet invented a way to post a link too.They invented something recently called the internet. If you search UK basketball stats, there are several sources you can gather them from. I like sports reference.
I gave you instructions and you're still complaining?The internet invented a way to post a link too.
BTW, who are you thinking about replacing him with?
Everyone has OO, Mo D, JQ, DA and Lowe, who is the "internet" telling you to put in there in place of OO?
I like it, Chandler and Jasper can prove they deserve more minutes. Each one could be valuable, maybe even take some minutes from Aberdeen if he never wants to play as a team.pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6
For Chandler and Johnson β prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.
For Jelavic and Noah β I canβt play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.
(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
Itβs our best chance to win sadly. We donβt have any shooters that can play in other areas of the game.That would be an avg 3pt shooting percentage of 20.34 for our starters. Yikes!
Nobody has any idea of Oweh and how he is. He wasnβt a problem last year.Team cancer is a bit harsh
So, let me get this straight, you would cut Oweh's minutes down and give them to Kam, Chandler and (checks notes) f&cking Noah? Are you out of your mind?I gave you instructions and you're still complaining?
I would cut down Oweh's minutes in favor of Williams getting more run. I would also give Chandler and Noah more run there as well. I'm not saying you cut Oweh out, but he is playing too much. Other guys are more efficient and if given the opportunity, would likely score more and at a more efficient rate. Williams is finally starting to shoot well and isn't a bad defender. Also a 92% ft shooter with length.
Chandler also has a higher offensive efficiency rate than Oweh and proved earlier he can shoot. Noah as the highest offensive efficiency % on the team at 63.9%. They need to play. I get they aren't very good defenders, but we need to score and they both do that well. We aren't Houston or TN or a team that will beat you with defense and holding teams below 60. We are going to have to outscore teams like we did last year. In order to do that, you have to play your stronger offensive players more.
If JQ, MO and Lowe are playing together much, you have to space that with good shooters and makers. Otherwise, opposing teams will beat us by simply clogging the paint and forcing us into long jumpers and 3's.
I had to quote you one more time, my original laughing emoji didnβt do it justice, so here:I gave you instructions and you're still complaining?
I would cut down Oweh's minutes in favor of Williams getting more run. I would also give Chandler and Noah more run there as well. I'm not saying you cut Oweh out, but he is playing too much. Other guys are more efficient and if given the opportunity, would likely score more and at a more efficient rate. Williams is finally starting to shoot well and isn't a bad defender. Also a 92% ft shooter with length.
Chandler also has a higher offensive efficiency rate than Oweh and proved earlier he can shoot. Noah as the highest offensive efficiency % on the team at 63.9%. They need to play. I get they aren't very good defenders, but we need to score and they both do that well. We aren't Houston or TN or a team that will beat you with defense and holding teams below 60. We are going to have to outscore teams like we did last year. In order to do that, you have to play your stronger offensive players more.
If JQ, MO and Lowe are playing together much, you have to space that with good shooters and makers. Otherwise, opposing teams will beat us by simply clogging the paint and forcing us into long jumpers and 3's.