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dtjr

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Mar 27, 2007
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320
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Oweh at 50% is better than Aberdeen. DA cant beat anyone off the dribble, but he sure tries a lot. He can’t shoot, but he sure lets em fly and he can’t defend, or rebound the way Oweh can.

Oweh did everything he could on Saturday, scored 22 points and was one of our better defenders. Aberdeen at his best isn’t on Oweh's mediocre level.
Totally agree.

Aberdeen is awful on offense. There is no ball movement or off the ball movement with him. He is selfish and it shows.
 

TFCat11

All-American
Mar 25, 2019
5,110
8,727
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Once again, every Bennie and their Uncle knows this is right around where it needs to be, but Pope has something in his DNA (similar to Calipari’s oddly enough) that prevents him from β€œtaking a player’s heart”, even at his own personal and professional demise!

I swore after Calipari left, if I NEVER had to utter that phrase again, it would be way too soon!😩
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
48,887
67,784
113
Fans acceptance of mediocrity are the cancer.
Yeah, you can easily spot the guys in here that weren’t fans until somewhat recently.

Losing has become acceptable. In the 80's and 90's, losses really hurt and stung for a while. Cal made losing easier to deal with, but the long time fans still refuse to accept it.

It is bizarre to me to have dudes running around here getting mad at fans for calling out what's happening. I could see getting angry at lies, but these guys are getting mad because they are reading factual posts.
 
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SandyBell'sFaxMachine

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Not at all. His attitude and approach has clearly caused issues. His lack of effort has been inexcusable. That all spreads to others like a cancer spreads.
Oweh and Lowe were the only players who gave a damn at Bama, Oweh got called out for his lack of energy at the end of November, played well December. Far from perfect, there are still critiques but without Oweh we don't even get invited to the CBI. He has his problems but he far from our biggest problem
 
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kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
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Oweh and Lowe were the only players who gave a damn at Bama, Oweh got called out for his lack of energy at the end of November, played well December. Far from perfect, there are still critiques but without Oweh we don't even get invited to the CBI. He has his problems but he far from our biggest problem
Someone just called into KSR saying "bench Oweh and watch what happens". Even Matt knows that's dumb.

I bet it was the Anony Moose that called in.
 
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Anony Moose

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Someone just called into KSR saying "bench Oweh and watch what happens". Even Matt knows that's dumb.

I bet it was the Anony Moose that called in.
Aww, yes. The ole KSR crew and Matt Jones, who have proven time and again to know nothing about basketball.

You got me!

The Office Lol GIF
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
48,887
67,784
113
Aww, yes. The ole KSR crew and Matt Jones, who have proven time and again to know nothing about basketball.

You got me!

The Office Lol GIF
It's depressing to know there are 2 actual UK fans that think benching our best playmaker is the smart thing to do.

Oweh doesn’t play 40 minutes per game, there is plenty of proof from each game that proves that theory wrong.
 

Anony Moose

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It's depressing to know there are 2 actual UK fans that think benching our best playmaker is the smart thing to do.

Oweh doesn’t play 40 minutes per game, there is plenty of proof from each game that proves that theory wrong.
It's even more depressing our fanbases intellectual knowledge of the game has devolved to the point some believe Oweh is our best playmaker.

And thank God he doesn't play 40 or we would be even worse.

You must not know how to interpret proof. Otherwise you would see why your statement is incorrect.
 
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JonathanW2

Junior
Aug 6, 2025
152
231
43
pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6

For Chandler and Johnson β€” prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.

For Jelavic and Noah β€” I can’t play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.

(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)

Kam has shown nothing (outside of 1 game vs a cupcake) worth playing 30mpg. I've honestly seen more from Noah (good passes, deflections, steals, making open shots, rebounding), and I don't want him playing double-digit minutes. So any minutes Kam gets right now is purely off potential.

Jelavic "give you more shot attempts"? What!!! Jelavic is like a black hole when he gets the ball, he trails only Lowe, Oweh, & Jasper in attempts per minute.

The reason I want to see more of Jasper is because he can create his own shot, and if/when Lowe goes down, he may be our best option for a PG, but only if he develops more before then.

Chandler we clearly need more from him. He could be a lesser version of Brea. He's a better defender than Brea was. He's earned more time than Kam.

I am not a Zone guy, I much prefer Man. But maybe we need to put JQ at the rim to protect it and go with a Zone.
 
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Kam has shown nothing (outside of 1 game vs a cupcake) worth playing 30mpg. I've honestly seen more from Noah (good passes, deflections, steals, making open shots, rebounding), and I don't want him playing double-digit minutes. So any minutes Kam gets right now is purely off potential.

Jelavic "give you more shot attempts"? What!!! Jelavic is like a black hole when he gets the ball, he trails only Lowe, Oweh, & Jasper in attempts per minute.

The reason I want to see more of Jasper is because he can create his own shot, and if/when Lowe goes down, he may be our best option for a PG, but only if he develops more before then.

Chandler we clearly need more from him. He could be a lesser version of Brea. He's a better defender than Brea was. He's earned more time than Kam.

I am not a Zone guy, I much prefer Man. But maybe we need to put JQ at the rim to protect it and go with a Zone.
Williams hasn’t been great, but he at least gives you length and rebounding. You misunderstood the Jelavic and Noah β€” it says give me more THAN shot attempts.
 

Cats_2010

Heisman
Jan 8, 2010
11,347
19,089
103
LOL, replace Oweh with Aberdeen?

Oweh isn’t the problem, he's at least close to doing his job. Aberdeen is a backup at best. Single handedly lost us the unc game and consistently tries to take games over, only to do nothing but give the opponent fast break points.

Let's wait until the coaching issues get fixed before we get too crazy here. If you think we're confused by what Pope is trying to do, how confused do you think the players are? They look pretty dang confused to me.

If I had to formulate a starting lineup based on what we have seen, I would set it up exactly the same way the OP spelled it out. I think it's obvious.
That’s been my starting lineup since the St. John’s game although I do think Aberdeen and oweh are interchangeable in the starting lineup. Both can give you strong defensive play and both bring a different dynamic on offense but both can also force the action too much. Lowe has to play as much as possible to run our offense, JQ the same for defense and rebounding. Those 6 players have to play the lions share of minutes with Moreno, Garrison, chandler and Johnson spelling as needed but 3 of the first 6 have to be on the floor at all times.
 

Agent Redbone

Sophomore
Jan 1, 2024
99
141
32
pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6

For Chandler and Johnson β€” prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.

For Jelavic and Noah β€” I can’t play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.

(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
Man, I think you’re spot on with this. One thing I might would switch around would be the minutes for Mo and Kam. Or, just bump Mo up to 30 as well. I feel like we’re better with him on the floor.
 

DelkBowl

Heisman
Oct 4, 2015
10,561
11,533
101
My controversial lineup:

Lowe
JJ
Kam
Mo
JQ

Oweh can't shoot so poor choice imo at the 2G spot. Maybe start at the 3 but I'd prefer a shooter there as well. Make JJ a spot up shooter. Perimeter D would be an issue though. No one wants to make OO a 6th man but by KY standards that's truly what he is.
 
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SandyBell'sFaxMachine

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My controversial lineup:

Lowe
JJ
Kam
Mo
JQ

Oweh can't shoot so poor choice imo at the 2G spot. Maybe start at the 3 but I'd prefer a shooter there as well. Make JJ a spot up shooter. Perimeter D would be an issue though. No one wants to make OO a 6th man but by KY standards that's truly what he is.
Absolutely insane.
 

Anony Moose

Senior
Dec 2, 2025
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Oweh currently LEADS team scoring 14.7 points a game.
He also leads in shot attempts per game. Those tend to go hand in hand. Yet, 10 players on the roster have a better Efg%. That should tell you other players are more efficient/better scorers and shooters.

Also, Oweh averages the highest amount of turnovers per game of anyone. And he has among the highest foul rate of all players.

If you take Oweh off the court, you're likely replacing him with a more efficient shooter/scorer, someone who turns it over less and fouls less. While likely doing everything else at a similar or better rate.

Yet, some of you Bennies thank that's a bad thing.

Terry Rozier Thursday GIF
 
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DelkBowl

Heisman
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He also leads in shot attempts per game. Those tend to go hand in hand. Yet, 10 players on the roster have a better Efg%. That should tell you other players are more efficient/better scorers and shooters.

Also, Oweh averages the highest amount of turnovers per game of anyone. And he has among the highest foul rate of all players.

If you take Oweh off the court, you're likely replacing him with a more efficient shooter/scorer, someone who turns it over less and fouls less. While likely doing everything else at a similar or better rate.

Yet, some of you Bennies thank that's a bad thing.

Terry Rozier Thursday GIF
Exactly
 

catfanlou

All-Conference
Jul 6, 2005
3,495
1,004
41
pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6

For Chandler and Johnson β€” prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.

For Jelavic and Noah β€” I can’t play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.

(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
I totally agree . Moreno should get twenty minutes spelling JQ and Mo . All starters should log 30 minutes barring foul trouble or injury . In the unlikely event we are up twenty with under ten to go I would take out Lowe . Otherwise he has to play his 30.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
48,887
67,784
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That’s been my starting lineup since the St. John’s game although I do think Aberdeen and oweh are interchangeable in the starting lineup. Both can give you strong defensive play and both bring a different dynamic on offense but both can also force the action too much. Lowe has to play as much as possible to run our offense, JQ the same for defense and rebounding. Those 6 players have to play the lions share of minutes with Moreno, Garrison, chandler and Johnson spelling as needed but 3 of the first 6 have to be on the floor at all times.
I think Oweh is much stronger, thicker and can score through traffic better than DA. Every time DA tries to bully his way to the basket, it typically ends with the other team getting a run out.

I've seen Oweh miss a lot of bunnies, but I've also seen him throw enough dunks down to onow he's a bit ahead of DA.

Not to mention, DA gets way out of control too often.

That's my take as a Bennie, which doesn't mean much. Others apparently see something different.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
48,887
67,784
113
Absolutely insane.
You're thinking JJ over OO?

Man, I wanted JJ to get more playing time, but he’s been terrible lately. Moose nuts says Oweh's body language is bad, his negative body language is nothing compared to JJ's.

Johnson came in against Alabama and immediately threw the ball to an Alabama player, resulting in a layup for them, then he turned down an open shot. Expect him to transfer the day after we're ousted from the NIT.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
48,887
67,784
113
He also leads in shot attempts per game. Those tend to go hand in hand. Yet, 10 players on the roster have a better Efg%. That should tell you other players are more efficient/better scorers and shooters.

Also, Oweh averages the highest amount of turnovers per game of anyone. And he has among the highest foul rate of all players.

If you take Oweh off the court, you're likely replacing him with a more efficient shooter/scorer, someone who turns it over less and fouls less. While likely doing everything else at a similar or better rate.

Yet, some of you Bennies thank that's a bad thing.

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Where are you getting these stats?
 

AllBall

All-Conference
May 5, 2015
3,822
4,617
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Chandler is a role player or 4th/5th option as a starter. Unfortunately, for a 2nd year in a row, he is being tasked with playing a role he isn't capable of at this level.

Let him play a 2/3 that isn't meant to create for others, and don't make him a focal point, and he would look completely different.
His handles are terrible for a guard. He can't create off the dribble. His only weapon is catch n shoot or attacking with 2-3 dribbles. Add to this his putrid perimeter defense and he shouldn't see the floor.
 

yoshukai

Heisman
Dec 21, 2002
28,224
39,140
102
pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6

For Chandler and Johnson β€” prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.

For Jelavic and Noah β€” I can’t play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.

(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
THAT is who should be the starting line up .

THAT is the lineup that dominated St John’s in the second half.

THAT is the lineup that was on the floor together for a total of ONE minute against Alabama.

Here are Mark Popes comments about THAT lineup.

β€β€œIt depends which numbers you use. We have such a plethora of numbers,” Pope said. β€œBut, listen, that is β€” that is not a bad lineup at all. There’s potential that we’ll see that lineup a little bit more, for sure.”

I believe Mark Pope is looking at TOO MANY numbers.
 
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THAT is who should be the starting line up .

THAT is the lineup that dominated St John’s in the second half.

THAT is the lineup that was on the floor together for a total of ONE minute against Alabama.

Here are Mark Popes comments about THAT lineup.

β€β€œIt depends which numbers you use. We have such a plethora of numbers,” Pope said. β€œBut, listen, that is β€” that is not a bad lineup at all. There’s potential that we’ll see that lineup a little bit more, for sure.”

I believe Mark Pope is looking at TOO MANY numbers.
I’m assuming he suffers from β€œanalysis paralysis”. It’s an actual phenomenon that overly analytical people experience. It can cause them to appear β€œstupid” to others because of being overstimulated by too many options being made available.
 

theBlues

All-Conference
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β€β€œIt depends which numbers you use. We have such a plethora of numbers,” Pope said. β€œBut, listen, that is β€” that is not a bad lineup at all. There’s potential that we’ll see that lineup a little bit more, for sure.”

I believe Mark Pope is looking at TOO MANY numbers.
That's the only thing that makes sense from what he said. You can know every stat in the world but you can't give them all equal weight.
As you and others have already stated, just start your best players and play your best combinations and best players. And if you don't have
a clue about guarding a pick and roll find somebody that does. In coaching it is acceptable to copy other coaches' tactics.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
48,887
67,784
113
They invented something recently called the internet. If you search UK basketball stats, there are several sources you can gather them from. I like sports reference.
The internet invented a way to post a link too.


BTW, who are you thinking about replacing him with?

Everyone has OO, Mo D, JQ, DA and Lowe, who is the "internet" telling you to put in there in place of OO?
 

Anony Moose

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The internet invented a way to post a link too.


BTW, who are you thinking about replacing him with?

Everyone has OO, Mo D, JQ, DA and Lowe, who is the "internet" telling you to put in there in place of OO?
I gave you instructions and you're still complaining?

I would cut down Oweh's minutes in favor of Williams getting more run. I would also give Chandler and Noah more run there as well. I'm not saying you cut Oweh out, but he is playing too much. Other guys are more efficient and if given the opportunity, would likely score more and at a more efficient rate. Williams is finally starting to shoot well and isn't a bad defender. Also a 92% ft shooter with length.

Chandler also has a higher offensive efficiency rate than Oweh and proved earlier he can shoot. Noah as the highest offensive efficiency % on the team at 63.9%. They need to play. I get they aren't very good defenders, but we need to score and they both do that well. We aren't Houston or TN or a team that will beat you with defense and holding teams below 60. We are going to have to outscore teams like we did last year. In order to do that, you have to play your stronger offensive players more.

If JQ, MO and Lowe are playing together much, you have to space that with good shooters and makers. Otherwise, opposing teams will beat us by simply clogging the paint and forcing us into long jumpers and 3's.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
42,809
76,026
113
pg1 - J. Lowe - 30
sg1 - O. Oweh - 30
sf1 - K. Williams - 30
pf1 - M. Dioubate - 25
c1 - J. Quaintance- 28
6th - c/pf - M. Moreno - 23
7th - sg/pg/sf- D. Aberdeen - 22
tied 8th - sg/sf - C. Chandler - 6
tied 8th - sg/pg - J. Johnson - 6

For Chandler and Johnson β€” prove you deserve minutes or this is all you get.

For Jelavic and Noah β€” I can’t play you unless you give me more than shot attempts.

(Also note that Kam will be playing some of the pf minutes.)
I like it, Chandler and Jasper can prove they deserve more minutes. Each one could be valuable, maybe even take some minutes from Aberdeen if he never wants to play as a team.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
48,887
67,784
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I gave you instructions and you're still complaining?

I would cut down Oweh's minutes in favor of Williams getting more run. I would also give Chandler and Noah more run there as well. I'm not saying you cut Oweh out, but he is playing too much. Other guys are more efficient and if given the opportunity, would likely score more and at a more efficient rate. Williams is finally starting to shoot well and isn't a bad defender. Also a 92% ft shooter with length.

Chandler also has a higher offensive efficiency rate than Oweh and proved earlier he can shoot. Noah as the highest offensive efficiency % on the team at 63.9%. They need to play. I get they aren't very good defenders, but we need to score and they both do that well. We aren't Houston or TN or a team that will beat you with defense and holding teams below 60. We are going to have to outscore teams like we did last year. In order to do that, you have to play your stronger offensive players more.

If JQ, MO and Lowe are playing together much, you have to space that with good shooters and makers. Otherwise, opposing teams will beat us by simply clogging the paint and forcing us into long jumpers and 3's.
So, let me get this straight, you would cut Oweh's minutes down and give them to Kam, Chandler and (checks notes) f&cking Noah? Are you out of your mind?

Okay, so that puts us at 7-7 instead of 9-5, no doubt in my mind.

You know who else is using metrics to decide lineups? Mark Pope. How's that working out for him right now?

Cut Oweh's minutes and give them to 3 guys who haven't even shown they belong in a UK uniform. Noah and Chandler have been an embarrassment. Kam had 1 good game and it was against Bellarmine.

Collin Chandler got embarrassed Saturday, he couldn't guard a single player on Alabama and there were several occasions when Oweh had to run from the other side of the court to put a hand up in front of a shooter that Chandler forgot to guard.

Your post might he the dumbest sh*t I've ever read on THE INTERNET.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
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48,887
67,784
113
I gave you instructions and you're still complaining?

I would cut down Oweh's minutes in favor of Williams getting more run. I would also give Chandler and Noah more run there as well. I'm not saying you cut Oweh out, but he is playing too much. Other guys are more efficient and if given the opportunity, would likely score more and at a more efficient rate. Williams is finally starting to shoot well and isn't a bad defender. Also a 92% ft shooter with length.

Chandler also has a higher offensive efficiency rate than Oweh and proved earlier he can shoot. Noah as the highest offensive efficiency % on the team at 63.9%. They need to play. I get they aren't very good defenders, but we need to score and they both do that well. We aren't Houston or TN or a team that will beat you with defense and holding teams below 60. We are going to have to outscore teams like we did last year. In order to do that, you have to play your stronger offensive players more.

If JQ, MO and Lowe are playing together much, you have to space that with good shooters and makers. Otherwise, opposing teams will beat us by simply clogging the paint and forcing us into long jumpers and 3's.
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