That is who I would start and try to play the most minutes. However, I would use the 3/4 court press with Kam on the nose of it we used against St John’s and IU and use it almost exclusively. That is the most engaged I’ve seen this team all year. I also would fall back into a 1-3-1 trapping d in the half court. Something has to be found to get these guys energized and engaged. My opinion with these guys is that has to come defensively. Or we could keep doing the same crap we’re doing and these guys can check out even further. Which from Popes recent comments seems to be his plan.
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Lol, Mark Pope's elite at something?!?! What makes him elite? Hell, he won't even start his best players!
Yes! I understand stats and that more efficient shooters/scorers are better for a team who struggles to score.
Offensive rating for Oweh is 116.7. That's 8th out of the 11 who play. Noah is 140.2, Kam is 135, and Chandler is 125.3. All significantly better than Oweh. So on that side of the ball they are a positive over Oweh.
On defense, Oweh has a rating of 97.9 for 3rd on the team. Noah is 99.8 and Chandler is 100.7. Williams is 102.8. Seeing this, there isn't a huge dip between any if the 4 in terms of their defense rating.
Anyone who knows how to count should know we get a much bigger boost offensively with them than we give up defensively to Oweh.
I can understand why that would be dumb. You seem like the type that probably finds a lot of things dumb.
Posts like this let me know I got to you. Thank you for acknowledging that!I had to quote you one more time, my original laughing emoji didn’t do it justice, so here:
Yeah I agree on that hence they both bring different dynamics offensively, just didn’t elaborate.
Where the hell did I say Mark Pope is elite? Did you read someone else's post and reply to me?Lol, Mark Pope's elite at something?!?! What makes him elite? Hell, he won't even start his best players!
Yes! I understand stats and that more efficient shooters/scorers are better for a team who struggles to score.
Offensive rating for Oweh is 116.7. That's 8th out of the 11 who play. Noah is 140.2, Kam is 135, and Chandler is 125.3. All significantly better than Oweh. So on that side of the ball they are a positive over Oweh.
On defense, Oweh has a rating of 97.9 for 3rd on the team. Noah is 99.8 and Chandler is 100.7. Williams is 102.8. Seeing this, there isn't a huge dip between any if the 4 in terms of their defense rating.
Anyone who knows how to count should know we get a much bigger boost offensively with them than we give up defensively to Oweh.
I can understand why that would be dumb. You seem like the type that probably finds a lot of things dumb.
Whatever metrics you are looking at, need to be set on fire.
There were 3 guys that manned up on Saturday in a tough environment against elite guards, Oweh, Mo and Lowe, everyone else peed down their legs, including the 3 guys you're talking about playing in place of OO.
Noah cant even get on the court against the bad teams, can you imagine him trying to guard Philon? Not to mention, he can't shoot a lick right now. Who is he going to guard in the SEC?
If you want an example of how bad DA is, watch the last 3 minutes of the uNC game. He can't hold Oweh's jock.
Chandler? That dude got embarrassed on Saturday.
I get it, you think Oweh is a cancer, but you don't know that, you're guessing. But even if he is, he still has the balls to man up in a tough game. The 3 guys you want to pull him for, have done absolutely zilch in any of our big games.
Pope needs to be trimming down to his best 7, not growing it to please you.
So if you don't like the actual stats you just want to set them on fire. That makes total sense.
If that was then manning up and is still getting our *** kicked, maybe that's a sign to try something different.
Noah is around 3 pts worse in defensive rating, so likely not much worse. However, he likely does score better. Also, Philon is a pg, so I doubt Noah would be guarding him all that much. Few switches here and there.
Aberdeen beats him in many categories, particularly offensively. What is it you think Oweh is so superior at? Can you provide some evidence to back it up...not just raw emotion and feeling? Also, Aberdeen scored 26 against UL, double digits against UNC and mich st.
Are basketball players supposed to be perfect in every game in your eyes? Chandler also had double digits against UL, UNC, Mich St and Zaga. So you clearly have either a bad or selective memory.
I do know that. I have eyes. Just watch him.
It's not about pleasing me. It's about winning. Sorry Helen Keller, but we clearly we aren't doing it with Oweh playing the most.
Since you didn't reply to me in the other thread where I tagged you, I'll bring it here to you. Here are the stats against ranked teams. This is all I need and this is with Oweh being at the top of everyone's scouting report.
These stats don't show +/-, which actually helps you, hecause after Saturday, Chandler's +/- has to be gawd awful.
Otega Oweh
- 31.8 minutes/game
- 16.3 points/game
- 40.8% from the field
- 22.7% from 3
- 81.6% from the FT line
- 5.1 rebounds/game
- 2.6 assists/game
- 2.3 turnovers/game
- 1.6 steals/game
Denzel Aberdeen
- 29.3 minutes/game
- 10.8 points/game
- 30.8% from the field
- 22.8% from 3
- 82.6% from the FT line
- 3 rebounds/game
- 2.5 assists/game
- 1.6 turnovers/game
Collin Chandler
- 25.1 minutes/game
- 8 points/game
- 41% from the field
- 37.5% from 3
- 87.5% from the FT line
- 2.8 rebounds/game
- 1.5 assists/game
- 1.3 turnovers/game
- 1.3 steals/game
Malachi Moreno
- 21.6 minutes/game
- 7 points/game
- 66.7% from the field
- 82.4% from the FT line
- 5.5 rebounds/game
- 1.1 turnovers/game
- 1 block/game
Mouhamed Dioubate
- 20.5 minutes/game
- 7.25 points/game
- 44% from the field
- 11.1% from 3
- 66.7% from the FT line
- 4.75 rebounds/game
- 1.5 turnovers/game
Jasper Johnson
- 9.6 minutes/game
- 3.3 points/game
- 41.7% from the field
- 15.4% from 3
- 80% from the FT line
- 1 rebound/game
Kam Williams
- 16 minutes/game
- 4.6 points per game
- 32% from the field
- 25% from 3
- 87.5% from the FT line
- 1.8 rebounds/game
Brandon Garrison
- 14.8 minutes/game
- 3.5 points/game
- 57.1% from the field
- 100% from 3 (2-for-2)
- 50% from the FT line
- 2.6 rebounds/game
Jaland Lowe
- 21.5 minutes/game
- 11 points/game
- 41.7% from the field
- 28.6% from 3
- 76.9% from the FT line
- 2 rebounds/game
- 2.75 assists/game
- 1.75 turnovers/game
Andrija Jelavic
- 14.75 minutes/game
- 3 points/game
- 35.3% from the field
- 0% from 3 (0-for-10)
- 2.25 rebounds/game
Trent Noah
- 10 minutes/game
- 1.75 points/game
- 25% from the field
- 25% from 3
- 80% from the FT line
- 1.5 rebounds/game
- 1 turnover/game
Um, are you special needs or something? I literally replied to you there 5 minutes ago.
Dude...stop trying so hard.
And you're embarrassing yourself with each post. You haven't posted your link and I literally posted the stats right here for you to see and here you are deflecting.Um, are you special needs or something? I literally replied to you there 5 minutes ago.
Dude...stop trying so hard.
Against ranked opponents, your idea looks really dumb.
Deflecting what? I've replied to everything you have stated. You've now admitted you aren't even seeing them. Lulz.
I told you it's sports reference. It should be pretty easy to locate. It's not my duty to use the internet for you.
It doesn't at all. Considering we have been doing it your way against ranked opponents and getting our *** kicked and all.
Your not paying attention oweh can't dribble won't pass to the open man takes plays off not a legit threat from the outside and Aberdeen is way better defender and always hustles and is a slasher also..
Aberdeen hustles, but he’s the king at working hard and accomplishing nothing.
If OO is doing the things you're saying, then the coaches need to do something about it.
In that Alabama game, you don't score 22 points when you are #1 on their scouting report, if you are taking plays off and being lazy.
Do you see anyone on our team that looks like they're thriving?
Williams isn't a good rebounder. His per30min REB average is 4.5, that is below the smaller Oweh (5.1) and below Noah (6.5). It does beat Chandler 3.7.
My bad for misunderstanding.
Jelavic is very efficient on 2's (21-30 = 70%), but he along with Mo & Garrison & Lowe need to stop shooting 3's (combined 14-68, 20.6%). Chandler, Noah, Johnson, Williams, Aberdeen, Oweh combine for 36.2% which is ok, better than the 33.1% as a whole team.
Noah does a lot more than shoot, he actually doesn't shoot much (enough), only 1 attempt every 4.3min, only Garrison shoots it less. It seems like he rebounds better than his numbers (6.5 per30min), like he gets one when we really need one. Noah is also 3rd on team (behind Mo & Oweh) in Steals (1 every 22min) and I don't have this statistic but he also seems to get a lot of deflections that lead to steals by a teammate. But yes, he can also get beat off the dribble, so maybe he plays passing lanes to compensate for that like Reed did.
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We had a 6 point lead with 2 minutes left in the uNC game. He came down 4 straight possessions trying to be Michael Jordan. He went 0-4 and uNC turned his garbage shots into layups on the other end. We ended up down 2 and never recovered. He cost us that game.
it's every game. I like the kid, but I've seen enough failed street ball and air balled 3's out of him to last a lifetime.
We had a 6 point lead with 2 minutes left in the uNC game. He came down 4 straight possessions trying to be Michael Jordan. He went 0-4 and uNC turned his garbage shots into layups on the other end. We ended up down 2 and never recovered. He cost us that game.
A big ol heck yeah. Maybe won’t need to come back from 20 plus in the first half the rest of the season. Give these dudes a chance to play with their best players at the same time coach.
