New SEC coaches ranking...Mullen last...write up pissed me off.

[99jc]

12. Dan Mullen, Mississippi State
Let's go ahead and call him "Urban Junior" because that's who Mullen is. Pushing the buttons as the coordinator for a Florida offense that included Percy Harvin and Tim Tebow is one thing. Making Mississippi State's attack consistently functional is quite another. This is going to be fascinating to watch, and perhaps further proof that talent matters more than schemes. If Mullen, 36, can pull this off and make the Bulldogs a consistent bowl team, he will be hailed as a genius. And he also likely won't be in Starkville for long.

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[FlabLoser]

"They don't give respect, we take it from 'em" - Dontae Jones

 

[Todd4State]

Personally, I don't see anything that pissed me off.

They may have ranked him last, but so far, he has been pretty impressive to me with his recruiting, and he seems to be in touch with what the fans want to do, other than wanting to schedule USM, but I'll give him a pass there.

 

[Bulldog Backer]

...what his rating is before his first game as a coach is? What counts is what his rating is after the first season.

 

[patdog]

Because Mullen and Whittingham were right there with him brainstorming from the start. I guess Whittingham was just pushing the buttons when Meyer was at Utah too.

 

[Buffard Tannen]

It's not where you start the year, it's where you finish. It just amazes me how people have completely forgot our success under JWS. People dogging us is nothing new though, just makes it sweeter in the end when we shove it in their face, although that never was gonna happen with Capt. Croom and the SS Slytanic. And if you listen to the so-called "writers" apparently a Mississippi school may make a push at a national championship this year, eventhough they're the only team from the west never to go to Atlanta..... HA!!

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

gettinginmylastku

 

[Todd4State]

in the media assume about Jackie's time here was that we only won because we were cheating our asses off.

Of course, I think we all know the real truth.

Sherrill was good for us as a fanbase as far as making us believe that we could win, and that's very important, but at the same time, the guy was so despised that it didnt really help our national image in a long term sense.

 

[JohnnyYuma.nafoom]

well, really, what do you expect? he's the new guy and you really don't want expectations sky high to begin with. and as unpleasant as the thought may be, the comments aren't completely off the planet given your offense the past few years, no matter what the cause was.

we really sneaked through our schedule last year because everyone reasonably thought O left us in shambles. we'll be in the crosshairs of a lot of people this year, including you Bulldogs.

 

[99jc]

with a great scheme and be successful. Anyone who has played football at a highschool level or college level knows this to be fact. On the pro level you better have talent...ask Steve Spurrior.

 

[RebelBruiser]

...what his rating is before his first game as a coach is? What counts is what his rating is after the first season.

Or just how many games he wins. What that list showed me is the depth of coaches in this league. I've seen the list before of course, but there are some pretty good coaches rated low on that list.

The problems with a list like this, as always, are 1) no two jobs are the same, and 2) the coaches are at different stages in their careers. It's always going to be tough to compare a coach at Vandy with a coach at Florida, and it's tough to compare Steve Spurrier, a guy with a long, successful career that is somewhat sputtering to an end with a coach like Mullen who is taking on his first job and still hasn't coached a game anywhere as a head coach.

If I were a State fan, the rating itself wouldn't really bother me, the comments below the ranking would be what would irk me. Reason being, I couldn't see any justification for ranking Mullen ahead of anyone other than maybe Chizik or Kiffin at this point since he hasn't coached a game. All the tenured coaches in the league have had some measure of success at their current school that automatically puts them ahead of Mullen at this point. The comments basically talking down on MSU as a program are what would bother me.

 

[rebelrouseri]

saying that croom did a good job and no one could win at msu. They still have that mindset. Quite frankly, when looking at the SEC you have to put brand new hc's at the bottom. Where was Kiffin? One thing about Mullen is that he did a great job finishing the recruiting class and did not make any big gaffs; Kiffin pulled in an average ut class and has been ridiculed across the nation.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

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[RebelBruiser]

I think it's a combination of talent, scheme, development of that talent, and motivation/psychology that win in college. In college, developing talent is much more important than at the pro level. At the pro level, your athletes should be about at their peak already as far as development. In college, you have to teach a whole lot, because the talent is raw. Just ask Charlie Weiss. He learned that lesson two years ago when he realized he couldn't throw a bunch of raw talent on the field with a good scheme and win games.

You can win with average talent if you scheme well, develop your talent well, and you do a good job of getting your team to not only play together but to believe that they can win.

 

[patdog]

I agree that the new coaches have to be ranked at the bottom, but I don't see for one minute how any rational person could possibly rank Mullen below either Chizek or Kiffen at this point. I guess it's just because they both have head coaching experience, but their head coaching experience were both spectacular failures.

 

[thunderclap]

how hard do some of these guys try?</p>

 

[Toag Redloh]

Reality is pretty much opposite of what you posted. Every good team has good players.

 

[RebelBruiser]

There are two ways to look at that. One way is that both Chizik and Kiffin enter the SEC with 5 more head coaching wins than Mullen. The other way to look at it is that Mullen is the only one of the three not to have a losing record as a head coach.

As I said, you could rank Mullen anywhere from 10-12 on the list at this point depending on whether you say any experience is better than none or whether you think that not having experience is better than having losing experience. With the rest of the coaches in the league, you can't really rank any of the newbies ahead of the current coaches at this point, which is why they're all in the 10, 11, and 12.

 

[99jc]

dontbeadumbassku

 

[Toag Redloh]

How do you think they got to the NFL? If you think talent is the reason the Lions suck, then I can't help you. ONLY good players even get chances at making teams in the NFL. The talent gap between Florida and MSU is exponentially greater than the talent gap between Pittsburgh and Detroit.

And learn how to use phrases like AKA the right way. Dumbass.