New Tesla vehicle charging stations set up in Charleston

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Wonder how much the taxpayers had to shell out and how long it will take to pay for itself
 

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I guarentee that there are incentives, tax abatements, whatever there. You get tax payer assistance to reduce the cost of them. Another ridiculous measure.
Fairly confident Tesla leased the land form a private land owner and built the stations themselves, and to my knowledge there are no tax incentives for public charging stations - federal or WV. Keep hating progress though.
 

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Fairly confident Tesla leased the land form a private land owner and built the stations themselves, and to my knowledge there are no tax incentives for public charging stations - federal or WV. Keep hating progress though.
I don't hate the process, pay for what you get. You know I don't think that any business should get govt help nor govt hurt, like we have in some industries. There's no reason to subsidize a car that much. It's a good product, let it stand on it's own two feet or four tires. By the way, how much energy in wV is made from coal, natural gas vs nuclear and hydro? As we have recently seen, there's problems with spent nuclear materials.
 

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I don't hate the process, pay for what you get. You know I don't think that any business should get govt help nor govt hurt, like we have in some industries. There's no reason to subsidize a car that much. It's a good product, let it stand on it's own two feet or four tires. By the way, how much energy in wV is made from coal, natural gas vs nuclear and hydro? As we have recently seen, there's problems with spent nuclear materials.
Not sure what any of that has to do with a private company leasing private land from a private landowner to install charging stations, but you do you.

Now if only I could have the option to buy a Tesla in WV instead of the mean gubmint taking away my choice.
 

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Wonder how much the taxpayers had to shell out and how long it will take to pay for itself
I think Tesla pays for them. They have about 10 spots in the Prime Outlets parking lot in Hagerstown. During the several years they have been there.....I've never seen one car using them.
 

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I think Tesla pays for them. They have about 10 spots in the Prime Outlets parking lot in Hagerstown. During the several years they have been there.....I've never seen one car using them.

I had seen where Calf was paying for them at an avg cost of nearly 15,000. A state that can't balance it's budget spending 22 mill on something that the company should be paying for. I was just wondering if Tesla was paying for it or not.
 

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Not sure what any of that has to do with a private company leasing private land from a private landowner to install charging stations, but you do you.

Now if only I could have the option to buy a Tesla in WV instead of the mean gubmint taking away my choice.

The Gvot shouldn't be taking away your chance to own one, it shouldn't be taking my tax dollars to support you buying one or building free charging stations.
 

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Not sure what any of that has to do with a private company leasing private land from a private landowner to install charging stations, but you do you.

Now if only I could have the option to buy a Tesla in WV instead of the mean gubmint taking away my choice.
I have a problem with our govt picking winners and losers. Solyndra ring a bell? 550 mill favor to a friend!
 

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The Gvot shouldn't be taking away your chance to own one, it shouldn't be taking my tax dollars to support you buying one or building free charging stations.
They didn't build any free charging station. Zero government money.
 

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How any charging stations in WV?
Oglebay has a few Tesla Superchargers and I think there's a few more at a Hampton Inn near Wheeling. Then we have a few state parks, the Greenbrier etc with destination chargers for their customers.
 

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Sometimes the statements on here are incredible. First of all electric cars are coal powered so every West Virginia should be in favor of electric Cars. Tesla leases the land. Tesla pays for the charging stations. Tesla pays for the electricity. The local economy then makes money off of the individuals stopping to use the stations (i.e. restaurants, shopping etc.) all of whom are traveling. The government will not pay for your Tesla if you want one you have to buy it yourself. The closest place to buy one is in Columbus or Cincinnati. Our current legislature will not allow Tesla to sell in West Virginia because they do not use dealerships (Bill Cole is a car dealer). Every car is a custom order. I would say that if Tesla could sell in West Virginia that it would create at least 100 jobs. Presently Tesla makes its cars in California and Nevada. The Cars are 100% made in America. The world is moving toward electric cars because ICE cars simply cannot complete with them. FYI Tesla plans to put stations in Beckley, Weston, and Morgantown before the year is out.
 

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Sometimes the statements on here are incredible. First of all electric cars are coal powered so every West Virginia should be in favor of electric Cars. Tesla leases the land. Tesla pays for the charging stations. Tesla pays for the electricity. The local economy then makes money off of the individuals stopping to use the stations (i.e. restaurants, shopping etc.) all of whom are traveling. The government will not pay for your Tesla if you want one you have to buy it yourself. The closest place to buy one is in Columbus or Cincinnati. Our current legislature will not allow Tesla to sell in West Virginia because they do not use dealerships (Bill Cole is a car dealer). Every car is a custom order. I would say that if Tesla could sell in West Virginia that it would create at least 100 jobs. Presently Tesla makes its cars in California and Nevada. The Cars are 100% made in America. The world is moving toward electric cars because ICE cars simply cannot complete with them. FYI Tesla plans to put stations in Beckley, Weston, and Morgantown before the year is out.
Up until this year, Tesla was subsidized. The cheapest one was to a tune of $7000 for a 35,000 car. Truly an amzing amount and completely uncalled for. Just like cash for clunkers. Government wastes money like you eliminate wste from your body. Without much thought.
 

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It's interesting how the state and federal government subsidizes so many companies and nobody objects and then Tesla comes along and suddenly people become warriors against government subsidies.
 

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Up until this year, Tesla was subsidized. The cheapest one was to a tune of $7000 for a 35,000 car. Truly an amzing amount and completely uncalled for. Just like cash for clunkers. Government wastes money like you eliminate wste from your body. Without much thought.

Tesla hasn't released their $35 K car yet. That's expected later this year or early next year. The cheapest version of Tesla released so far is the one in the $60-70 K range. So now you can shift your complaint to "The gov't is subsidizing cars only people with a lot of money can buy, those people should be buying the cars with their own money." Never mind that Tesla is competing with companies that have gotten way more subsidies over a long period of time. And yet other than Ford, Tesla is the only US car company that has never filed bankruptcy.

BTW, why aren't you complaining about all the other companies getting subsidized?
 

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Tesla hasn't released their $35 K car yet. That's expected later this year or early next year. The cheapest version of Tesla released so far is the one in the $60-70 K range. So now you can shift your complaint to "The gov't is subsidizing cars only people with a lot of money can buy, those people should be buying the cars with their own money." Never mind that Tesla is competing with companies that have gotten way more subsidies over a long period of time. And yet other than Ford, Tesla is the only US car company that has never filed bankruptcy.

BTW, why aren't you complaining about all the other companies getting subsidized?
As whitetaileer will tell you, I'm against all forms of govt subsidies. Stand on your own two feet. As far as Tesla goes, I'm right and you are wrong. There's no need to subsidize any car that only rich people can afford or any car for that matter. I wanted to let GM go under. Just like the banks. We would be better off in the long run.
 

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It's interesting how the state and federal government subsidizes so many companies and nobody objects and then Tesla comes along and suddenly people become warriors against government subsidies.
We should all be against govt subsidies. It's wasteful and leads to bankruptcies and the govt then says we need to bailout.
 

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We should all be against govt subsidies. It's wasteful and leads to bankruptcies and the govt then says we need to bailout.

I like the idea of not having gov't subsidies but realistically they are all over the place. If you look hard at where the money goes and think about what it is even if it's not named a "subsidy" I think you'll find that a lot of things are subsidies.

If the ICE car industry wasn't getting huge subsidies then something like Tesla would have caught on long ago. They're not succeeding because of their subsidies rather they're succeeding in spite of their competitors getting even larger subsidies.
 

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You know I don't think that any business should get govt help nor govt hurt, like we have in some industries.

Like WV not allowing Tesla sales in WV?
It really shocks me that this was allowed to be built at all ... and I'd like to start a pool on how long it will take some idiot redneck to go try to destroy it ... because coal!!
 

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Like WV not allowing Tesla sales in WV?
It really shocks me that this was allowed to be built at all ... and I'd like to start a pool on how long it will take some idiot redneck to go try to destroy it ... because coal!!
It's beside one of them librul Starbucks to boot.
 

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Like WV not allowing Tesla sales in WV?
It really shocks me that this was allowed to be built at all ... and I'd like to start a pool on how long it will take some idiot redneck to go try to destroy it ... because coal!!

Those are the dumbest of laws. As if Tesla is going to put auto-dealers out of business.

I don't mind limited incentives (even as a Libertarian), if those incentives don't act as a drain on the federal revenue. It's your money after all, but if Tesla is going to make it long run they need to prove a couple things. 1) Their cars will last long into the secondary market and 2) They can sell cars for a much more reasonable price. If I could get something very similar to my Buick, for the same price, then with my driving habits an electric car would be worth it.

I'm more interested in Tesla's Battery plant and Solar Shingle plans.
 

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I like the idea of not having gov't subsidies but realistically they are all over the place. If you look hard at where the money goes and think about what it is even if it's not named a "subsidy" I think you'll find that a lot of things are subsidies.

If the ICE car industry wasn't getting huge subsidies then something like Tesla would have caught on long ago. They're not succeeding because of their subsidies rather they're succeeding in spite of their competitors getting even larger subsidies.

Nothin would catch on if they aren't economically feasible and easy to use. That's why govt chosing to subsidize things just chafes my crotch. Let the people chose what they want. Kinda like having a 65 year old woman buy maternity care.
 

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I'm more interested in Tesla's Battery plant and Solar Shingle plans.

That's where my interest lies as well ... although I would love to have a Tesla, I want to have the solar roof and battery backup and everything else first, so that I can charge my electric car at night using power that my solar roof collected during the day.

Spending $60k-$70k on a car just isn't something I'd do.
 

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A couple folks are saying they can't afford a Tesla. Tesla hasn't released its model that's meant to be affordable for the masses yet. They purposely started with the high end cars and are working their way down in price. They're releasing their Model 3 this year or next year and it's slated to start at $35 K which as I understand is about the regular price for a normal new car these days.
 

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I don't drink coffee at all, but have only been in a Starbucks twice in my life
A couple folks are saying they can't afford a Tesla. Tesla hasn't released its model that's meant to be affordable for the masses yet. They purposely started with the high end cars and are working their way down in price. They're releasing their Model 3 this year or next year and it's slated to start at $35 K which as I understand is about the regular price for a normal new car these days.
You are twice the elitist I am!