Next Year’s Lineup '26

osu2082

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Jan 29, 2006
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He struggled two March’s ago with his cut. He had some health issues prior to Big Xii’s.

Then, he goes and makes the finals, losing a heartbreaker to a guy that became an All-American.

So, his three losses in March were all to All-Americans. Happel is kryptonic to Tagen. But I’d say he’s right there in the 3-8 range, especially considering that they are aware of and have most likely a close eye on potential health factors.

Two years. Two March’s and two struggles when it mattered most.

He might have the strength and potential of 3-8 but he hasn’t shown he can either stay healthy or manage the cut to count on it.

If Vega is showing potential to win big matches and get on the podium, they aren’t just giving Jamison the spot in December just because he is healthy.
 
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Travis25

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Two years. Two March’s and two struggles when it mattered most.

He might have the strength and potential of 3-8 but he hasn’t shown he can either stay healthy or manage the cut to count on it.

If Vega is showing potential to win big matches and get on the podium, they aren’t just giving Jamison the spot in December just because he is healthy.
Vega will absolutely have the opportunity to seize the starting spot and never give it back. I hope it happens.
 

Howie_Fartz

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Two years. Two March’s and two struggles when it mattered most.

He might have the strength and potential of 3-8 but he hasn’t shown he can either stay healthy or manage the cut to count on it.

If Vega is showing potential to win big matches and get on the podium, they aren’t just giving Jamison the spot in December just because he is healthy.
You do realize he won the wrestle off last year for 49? He was asked to go 41 because Carter swore he couldn’t make 41 and the coaches also believed and still do that he can win a natty at 41. So then he takes one for the team and then Carter gets replaced in February. But now of all of a sudden Carter can make 41? Tagen has a chip on his shoulder and if his rehab goes well he will be getting his spot back I promise you.
 

chasepollard

Heisman
Nov 25, 2005
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Two years. Two March’s and two struggles when it mattered most.

He might have the strength and potential of 3-8 but he hasn’t shown he can either stay healthy or manage the cut to count on it.

If Vega is showing potential to win big matches and get on the podium, they aren’t just giving Jamison the spot in December just because he is healthy.
Haha, you know I like you. Keep that in mind.

He didn’t struggle at Big Xii and he didn’t struggle at NCAAs. The year before, yes, he was out of gas.

He got beat by (I think) 3,4 and 5…in tight matches in March last season. That’s far from struggle. That was bad luck.

If Vega goes out and dominates, maybe. But Vega ain’t beating Tagen and he ain’t scoring more points at the dance this year. Sorry!
 

Corby2

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Haha, you know I like you. Keep that in mind.

He didn’t struggle at Big Xii and he didn’t struggle at NCAAs. The year before, yes, he was out of gas.

He got beat by (I think) 3,4 and 5…in tight matches in March last season. That’s far from struggle. That was bad luck.

If Vega goes out and dominates, maybe. But Vega ain’t beating Tagen and he ain’t scoring more points at the dance this year. Sorry!
He struggled in the weigh in area at big 12s 😂😂
 

Air_Thurman

Heisman
Jan 16, 2003
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I like Tagen. He might absolutely be the best guy at the weight and I don't think it would shock anyone if he AA'd this year. Would anyone also be shocked if he didn't? He has had two chances to do it and failed. Doesn't mean he won't do it but if we are ever going to get back to the top guys like Tagen need to be on the hot seat.

Not saying Tagen shouldn't be the guy. We all know the best guy will go. I just don't think some healthy skepticism towards Tagen is out of bounds.
 
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chasepollard

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Nov 25, 2005
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I did not realize that John was an influence on that. David Taylor has nothing but kind words to say about John Smith. He feels that his touch is perfect on the transition.
Well, John has had lots of influence and has been a help to the new staff and transition.

Yes, it’s possible or even likely that if John didn’t get involved, Tagen wouldn’t have Wrestled. I was actually standing there like an awestruck kid as John got the word and stormed off. 20 minutes later, my buddy walks up and said Tagen is good to go!

All that to say, John has done and seen things that David needs guidance with and it works perfectly.

He is at most all events as well as has become really good friends of David Taylor Sr….who is another man that is a gem to our Program!
 

Corby2

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Well, John has had lots of influence and has been a help to the new staff and transition.

Yes, it’s possible or even likely that if John didn’t get involved, Tagen wouldn’t have Wrestled. I was actually standing there like an awestruck kid as John got the word and stormed off. 20 minutes later, my buddy walks up and said Tagen is good to go!

All that to say, John has done and seen things that David needs guidance with and it works perfectly.

He is at most all events as well as has become really good friends of David Taylor Sr….who is another man that is a gem to our Program!
Just shows what a joke the big 12 actually is that a guy who's not on any staff was able to influence that decision. Years ago the big 12 screwed over WVU at 133 after Lamont lost round 1 and mid tournament they decided to do a true match at 133 so Lamont would qualify for NCAAs . This off season a few big 12 teams will be leaving the conference for wrestling. And what happened last year definitely played a role in that.
 

chasepollard

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Just shows what a joke the big 12 actually is that a guy who's not on any staff was able to influence that decision. Years ago the big 12 screwed over WVU at 133 after Lamont lost round 1 and mid tournament they decided to do a true match at 133 so Lamont would qualify for NCAAs . This off season a few big 12 teams will be leaving the conference for wrestling. And what happened last year definitely played a role in that.
Well, he went in with several staff members and retained legal staff…so, that little theory has plenty of holes in it.

Who do you think is leaving?
 
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Corby2

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Well, he went in with several staff members and retained legal staff…so, that little theory has plenty of holes in it.

Who do you think is leaving?
Just odd when a person not on the staff is allowed in. It make others feel special treatment was given.


Not place to say. Things will be announced after the season.
 
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okokzach

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Just shows what a joke the big 12 actually is that a guy who's not on any staff was able to influence that decision. Years ago the big 12 screwed over WVU at 133 after Lamont lost round 1 and mid tournament they decided to do a true match at 133 so Lamont would qualify for NCAAs . This off season a few big 12 teams will be leaving the conference for wrestling. And what happened last year definitely played a role in that.
How many is a few?
 

Air_Thurman

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Just shows what a joke the big 12 actually is that a guy who's not on any staff was able to influence that decision. Years ago the big 12 screwed over WVU at 133 after Lamont lost round 1 and mid tournament they decided to do a true match at 133 so Lamont would qualify for NCAAs . This off season a few big 12 teams will be leaving the conference for wrestling. And what happened last year definitely played a role in that.
They aren't leaving because they feel John Smith had influence in a one-off situation. Come on man...
 

Corby2

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They aren't leaving because they feel John Smith had influence in a one-off situation. Come on man...
Is that the only reason no but it's definitely a factor. Administrations that are non affiliate members can wrestle in other conferences as well. Coaches were livid as they should have been.
 

chasepollard

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Is that the only reason no but it's definitely a factor. Administrations that are non affiliate members can wrestle in other conferences as well. Coaches were livid as they should have been.
There were two that were “mad” but I guarentee most didn’t want to take a year from two guys because they rode a bike too long and had skimpy under where on.
 

chasepollard

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And I’d guess one of the two mad ones would’ve greatly benefited from OSU losing Tagen’s points during the tournament
I said two, but it could be more. I just know who caused the issue and one that was vocal about it.

Smith, who blew the whistle on a normally unforced or at least obscure that most don’t pay attention to was probably upset he didn’t accomplish wasting two kids season of work.

The other was Schwab, who I doubt really wanted to injure any kids.
 

chasepollard

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You'd be wrong. Never underestimate the absolute pettiness and jealousy over the Oklahoma State program and DT/Chad Richison in general.
I am aware of those sentiments, but we are also Wrestlers. If you don’t beat the best, are you the best?

I can see your point, but I’ll continue to be romantic about the sport and believe that most want to see kids get a chance to compete over ruin an entire seasons body of work and year of eligibility over something so negligible.
 
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vhsalum1

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I am aware of those sentiments, but we are also Wrestlers. If you don’t beat the best, are you the best?

I can see your point, but I’ll continue to be romantic about the sport and believe that most want to see kids get a chance to compete over ruin an entire seasons body of work and year of eligibility over something so negligible.

The rest of us will live on planet earth. lol
 
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Air_Thurman

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Is that the only reason no but it's definitely a factor. Administrations that are non affiliate members can wrestle in other conferences as well. Coaches were livid as they should have been.
If it were any factor, these programs aren't run by the smartest people. Have fun wrestling Cal Bakersfield in a conference that doesn't care about wrestling. Sorry John hurt your feelings.

These coaches were so livid not a single one dared say what happened publicly. Wonder why?
 
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Corby2

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If it were any factor, these programs aren't run by the smartest people. Have fun wrestling Cal Bakersfield in a conference that doesn't care about wrestling. Sorry John hurt your feelings.

These coaches were so livid not a single one dared say what happened publicly. Wonder why?
Because wrestling is a good ole boy network maybe 🤷
 
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Corby2

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There were two that were “mad” but I guarentee most didn’t want to take a year from two guys because they rode a bike too long and had skimpy under where on.
Wrestling has rules at weigh ins . It's like that at every tournament even HS events . Working out must stop. It's not a new rule . You can say it's a dumb rule thats fine but all but 2 guys were able to follow it . It's over with now but I'm glad @DPJ1 brought it up.
 
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DPJ1

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Wrestling has rules at weigh ins . It's like that at every tournament even HS events . Working out must stop. It's not a new rule . You can say it's a dumb rule thats fine but all but 2 guys were able to follow it . It's over with now but I'm glad @DPJ1 brought it up.
Glad I could spice things up on a Friday lol. I figured it was water under the bridge at this point, but I guess not.
 

chasepollard

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Wrestling has rules at weigh ins . It's like that at every tournament even HS events . Working out must stop. It's not a new rule . You can say it's a dumb rule thats fine but all but 2 guys were able to follow it . It's over with now but I'm glad @DPJ1 brought it up.
I understand that.

There were several getting off the bikes and two kept rolling until the area cleared out. It wasn’t like they were waiting on them to weigh in.

So yeah, it really wasn’t a huge deal but Brian Smith made it one.
 

glorycowboy

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Impressive win by Lee and Robideau! Heck of a GIA debut. Especially Landon!
Zack Ryder and Merrill need to find more offense.
Swiderski , if he is not sick, is not better than Valencia. And should be promptly ranked so.
Lee, Landon, Zack and Swiderski are all top 10. But Lee and Landon are a level above Zack and Casey already.
 

Howie_Fartz

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Impressive win by Lee and Robideau! Heck of a GIA debut. Especially Landon!
Zack Ryder and Merrill need to find more offense.
Swiderski , if he is not sick, is not better than Valencia. And should be promptly ranked so.
Lee, Landon, Zack and Swiderski are all top 10. But Lee and Landon are a level above Zack and Casey already.
Zack is going to have matches like he had last night where guys just wrestle to keep it close.
 

Anon1752017044

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Impressive win by Lee and Robideau! Heck of a GIA debut. Especially Landon!
Zack Ryder and Merrill need to find more offense.
Swiderski , if he is not sick, is not better than Valencia. And should be promptly ranked so.
Lee, Landon, Zack and Swiderski are all top 10. But Lee and Landon are a level above Zack and Casey already.
Who's Lee?