Next Year’s Lineup
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Right on. Some of us grew up with them and know their history. I wasn’t close to them but we have mutual friends. And those guys talked…
I believe Tom Brands is a results guy. If you put in the work and get the results kudos to you. If you don't get the results then it's next man in. That's the way he runs his wrestling team... do the job or next man in. So I think he ought to be judged by the same standards. He's put in the work but he hasn't gotten the results and the outcomes. So it's time for the next man in. Just judging him by his own set of standards. And in reality, that's kind of the way of the world. You don't do the job they replace you.
If this is the best they can do with daddy sawbucks, we really don’t need him, imo. 6th or 16th is all the same to me.
You do realize EVERY top team supplements their roster with transfers, right? PSU has Welsh and Mesenbrink and they are BY FAR the greatest recruiting machine in DI wresting history. tOSU brought in Fishback to replace Welsh. OkState has Spratley, Swiderski, Facundo and Ryder. ISU has Poulin, Echemendia, Zerban, Dean, Elam and Bastida. THAT IS MORE THAN HALF THEIR STARTERS!
I can go on and on, but blaming them for having transfers is a RIDICULOUS argument. To truly be competitive with PSU, of course they need to recruit better. But, recruiting like PSU has done has NEVER been done before. Even DT will be hard pressed to sustain it long term and he is inarguably the hottest NEW name right now...
And what? We can’t even make top four anymore WITH a new facility and transfers getting bags…
Yet another guy that can't read and comprehend. You used the most ridiculous insult dropping into calling me insane, listening to multiple voices in my head. To stick with that THEME, I literally doubled down with something equally ridiculous. If you can't see the comparison and WHY I responded that way....
I’m still not sold on the idea that no donors will show up after TnT leave.
None of us know the severity of each situation, but, on its face, wouldn't the fact that multiple starters HAVE sat out for extended periods bolster the point that Mo wouldn't be FORCED when no one else is??? It's just basic deductive reasoning, even if you don't have people with direct knowledge pointing exactly to that?
Depth really isn’t an issue, imo. Three mediocre guys fighting for a spot on the roster and expecting the winner to produce under the big lights has been a problem, imo.
Again, I have tried to stay out of this fray and wait until March. I KNOW most of you know that but are still trying to egg me on. If I bother you so much, why not just back off and watch to see if I do the same? If you are all so confident that this team will fall on its face, you guys can wait until March 21st and THEN see if I am a man of my word. I am completely happy to not delve any deeper into this argument if I am not specifically called out...
Without Welsh and Mesenbrink PSU puts puts two high level guys on the mat in those spots and still wins another team title. The very point is the roster lacks quality depth. That is the head coach's duty.
Unfortunately they probably wanted to be a part of a program on the rise rather than one on the decline
Make no mistake, I am not directly comparing them to PSU. I have said over and over they aren't remotely close. But, I have also said NO ONE else is, nor will anyone any time soon, short of Cael or Casey leaving, some major rule change or scandal. Even with the racial accusations, they still do not seem to be missing a beat.
But, what I have said is that they truly have been the best of the rest. A team or 2 sneaks in for a year or 2 and then teams like even OSU and OkState fell into seasons finishing in the 20's. Now, it looks like OkState may cement themselves as the next best team. But, they are also about as close at it comes to the perfect storm when PSU landed Sanderson. A big name Athletic Department backed by a billionaire willing to spend whatever it takes and a compliance department willing to do whatever it takes.
Look, you do seem level headed in your responses to me. Much more so than most that I go back and forth with. As I have already said to you, can we back these types of conversations off until March 21st? When each of you come directly at me, it looks like I am fighting with everyone when I am simply responding to each. I have given every single person an easy out. Wait less than a month and you can go full scorched earth if you are right and I won't argue in the slighest.
Meanwhile, even if they do reach my minimum of 6 solid AA finishes I am certain NO ONE I have gone back and forth will even remotely change their tune. Essentially, I am putting you all in a "win/win" situation. Why not take the lay up?
Bla-bla-bla… Bla-bla-bla…. That’s all I see…
That is all I would expect you to see. Although your glaucoma has been getting the best natural treatment possible for quite some time...
It definitely gets tedious doesn't it?
Seems reasonable to me. If Iowa can pull a trophy this year they will indeed gain some much needed momentum. I don't believe it happens but I think that is a very fair measuring stick. I agree with you that Iowa has been the second best team since Cael has been at PSU. I think the primary point of difference is I see a trend going the wrong way which often happens with older coaches in many sports. The good news is neither of us have the task of deciding the future of the program.
Have I not been trying to back away? My name keeps getting called out, even when I am not posting in threads. I have been literally giving everyone an easy out to minimize any back and forth with me. Don't call me out directly and wait until March. If Iowa flops, everyone can blast away and I won't be interjecting...It really is that simple...but, if you call me out or dig at me like you did above I am GOING to respond. I am not wired to back away from someone coming at me.
People are either wired to try to run and hide when they get hit or dive right in. Love it or hate it, I am not wired for the former in any aspect of my life...
Guys guys guys, for possibly the first time ever MSU is backing off an argument. Take that as a win and drop it for now!
Truthfully, they don't even really have to drop the argument, if they simply don't bring me into it. Hate on Brands all you want. Call DT the new messiah all you want. Leave me out of it and I will happily wait until March 21st and if you are correct, you won't even hear anything from me on the subject after that....
Or maybe if you didn't feel the need to respond with paragraphs every time. Maybe just drop it and move on.
I literally said I am not wired that way. Come at me, I come back at you. If you don't want that, don't come at me. It really is that simple...
I find it to be humorous that some are lamenting the lack of depth because when a so called "room guy" gets brought in, so many have kittens. Not many who believe in their talent stick around to be nothing more than depth. I would venture to say that having so called depth at most of the weights is just as hard, if not harder, than developing a top flight (trophy winning) starting line-up. Other than PSU, name a school that can easily manage that without bringing kids out of redshirt?
Yep.
I'm in the camp that there is a good chance to increase overall donor $ with the right change.
Did I say I would, let alone could? Can you not read and comprehend? If you don't want me posting, don't respond to me or mention me. I have made it crystal clear that I will NOT ignore when someone comes at me. But, I DID say I would back away from the topic, IF I am allowed to do so.
I am not here for your pleasure. In fact, the way you refer to me, I am happy if it causes you some level of displeasure. Your choice if/how you want this to continue...
As insane as this is, this is accurate. Heard the same from a very reliable person.
Assistant coaches are always year to year contracts so it really doesn’t say anything.
It isn't the "gotcha" you think it is. I happily and whole heartedly said I WOULD NOT do it. But, hey keep using it if it makes you feel better!See... can't do it
Sorry, the way that was written is entirely vague. Are you saying that what Kingstown is saying is what you heard?
He's not backing off, he's putting it off until March bc he can't possibly defend what we've seen this season.
See... can't do it. Thanks for continually and ad nauseum proving me correct. Good job! You see... you aren't the only one who admits to liking to (and I paraphrase) tweek or irritate some other posters.
If Iowa somehow got JB or Dake there would be big money donors follow. Just like at OSU.
I just don’t read most of it.
I knew you were too dense to understand needing a transfer or two was a lot different of needing half the team replenished every season. Only have 5 starters were recruited and 2 of them are graduating. PSU compliments there recruiting with a transfer or 2. Iowa relys on transfer to make up for lack of recruiting.
I believe even you could comprehend that its not a winning formula for long term success. But you will argue to argue so have at it....
At the end of the day you are on the wrongside of the last days of Brands time at Iowa. Doesnt really matter if you come to grips with reality or not.